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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 22, 2019 14:13:25 GMT -5
I had forgotten about this one. 1972 Olympic men's basketball game between the USA and the Soviet Union. Not sure those would be "bad calls" as opposed to flat out cheating. Wow I just read about the whole ordeal. How in the world was the even remotely allowed to happen.
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Post by rogero1 on Jan 22, 2019 14:26:35 GMT -5
I had forgotten about this one. 1972 Olympic men's basketball game between the USA and the Soviet Union. Not sure those would be "bad calls" as opposed to flat out cheating. Wow I just read about the whole ordeal. How in the world was the even remotely allowed to happen. Not once, not just twice, but THREE times they replayed it, giving the Russians three chances to win. Unbelievable!!!
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 22, 2019 14:27:50 GMT -5
Wow I just read about the whole ordeal. How in the world was the even remotely allowed to happen. Not once, not just twice, but THREE times they replayed it, giving the Russians three chances to win. Unbelievable!!! I can only imagine USA fustration and I really dont blame them for turning down the medals.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Jan 22, 2019 15:46:36 GMT -5
Not once, not just twice, but THREE times they replayed it, giving the Russians three chances to win. Unbelievable!!! I can only imagine USA fustration and I really dont blame them for turning down the medals. It was amazing. They just as well havce declared the Soviets the winner and not played the game.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jan 22, 2019 16:30:42 GMT -5
In Sports, the team with the most points win. You don't want the refs to affect the game? Don't put the game in their hands. In regards to the NFC Championship, The Saints had a 13 point lead at home and blew it. NFL football games are 60-minutes long. No one play solely determines the outcome. One team adapted to the noncall, the team that didn't had their season come to an end. Control what you can control. The Rams were the better team anyway.
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Post by BearClause on Jan 22, 2019 16:48:13 GMT -5
Tuck rule.
But if it's volleyball I've heard stories about Cal at Stanford in 1996. Stanford won 18-16 in game 5, but many people told me that Cal had match point with the ball going almost straight down and off the hands of two Stanford players where it deflected out of bounds and was called out. A few Stanford fans told me it was the worst call they'd ever seen because it was so obviously redirected.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 16:50:47 GMT -5
In Sports, the team with the most points win. You don't want the refs to affect the game? Don't put the game in their hands. In regards to the NFC Championship, The Saints had a 13 point lead at home and blew it. NFL football games are 60-minutes long. No one play solely determines the outcome. One team adapted to the noncall, the team that didn't had their season come to an end. Control what you can control. The Rams were the better team anyway. Hahahah...that's professional trolling right there. That wasn't putting the game in the officials' hands. That was a blown call worse than anything in modern football memory, so bad that even the Rams have admitted it was a totally botched call. That scale of call gets missed, there aren't many teams out there who can 'adapt'. If an official won't call pass interference when the defender hits the receiver while the ball is still yards away--that's just incompetence, made even worse because of the missed head to head contact that was a 15 yrd penalty. They missed both calls. And I bet the two officials on that side of the field have called their last NFL game.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jan 22, 2019 17:12:48 GMT -5
In Sports, the team with the most points win. You don't want the refs to affect the game? Don't put the game in their hands. In regards to the NFC Championship, The Saints had a 13 point lead at home and blew it. NFL football games are 60-minutes long. No one play solely determines the outcome. One team adapted to the noncall, the team that didn't had their season come to an end. Control what you can control. The Rams were the better team anyway. Hahahah...that's professional trolling right there. That wasn't putting the game in the officials' hands. That was a blown call worse than anything in modern football memory, so bad that even the Rams have admitted it was a totally botched call. That scale of call gets missed, there aren't many teams out there who can 'adapt'. If an official won't call pass interference when the defender hits the receiver while the ball is still yards away--that's just incompetence, made even worse because of the missed head to head contact that was a 15 yrd penalty. They missed both calls. And I bet the two officials on that side of the field have called their last NFL game. The Saints absolutely put the game in the refs hand since they are complaining about one call the refs didn't make. One call in a 60-minute game. They had enough chances to win, they were outplayed and the game stats prove it. The Rams didn't cry about all the no-calls that went against them. They kept playing, that's why they're moving on. Nothing will happen with the officials, outside of a talking to. These are the best crews in the league. The league is not going to fire officials because one fanbase can't handle defeat.
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Post by azvb on Jan 22, 2019 17:23:46 GMT -5
This is often shown as an example of a team stopping play too soon, but I thought it was a horrible call. I don't know what they decided and told the teams before the match, but hitting something hanging from the ceiling over the crowd and well out of play should always be out. It was ridiculous to allow the ball to ricochet back onto the court. I need to ask my daughter, but I’m pretty sure all that stuff in the ceiling is playable on your side.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 22, 2019 18:21:20 GMT -5
FIVB rule for men's volleyball is that the ball is out if it strikes the ceiling. But the USAV has an allowable rule that the ball is still playable if it strikes the ceiling or a suspended object when in the playable area. The USAV allowable rules are supposed to be for when you are not at "the highest level of play" and allowances need to be made to keep the game reasonably accessible.
From this I can imagine that the USC team legitimately thought the ball was out, but the BYU team was aware that the rules in effect in their gym were that such a ball was playable. Essentially this seems to come down to knowing the "ground rules". Usually home teams are more familiar with the ground rules at their own facility.
Anyway, regardless of the rule book, most teams are taught to play to the whistle rather than trying to ref the game themselves.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 22, 2019 18:39:40 GMT -5
ps. Watching the replay, that ball looks like it hits an object that actually was outside the playable area (to the side). If you look at the view from the end (about 30 seconds in), it sure looks like that ball comes back into the field of play at an angle that implies it bounced off of something out of play. The player who makes the second contact is right at the edge of the playable area, and the ball seems to be coming back to him from hitting off something that is over the stands. But that could be an illusion.
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Post by BigTenVball on Jan 22, 2019 20:49:15 GMT -5
Bad call against the Saints? Yes. Feel bad for them? No. hopefully your memories are so short that you can recall when Sean Peyton was suspended for having coaches pay "bounties" for for his defense to go out and injure other players. I think it was like $25k for concussion and $50l for a torn acl..... (numbers might be off, but "bounty-gate" was for real. karma is a b*tch
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Post by vbfanantic on Jan 22, 2019 23:52:12 GMT -5
There was a humorous "no call" in a match several years ago when Illinois was playing at Michigan. The Illinois setter (Viliunas) covered a hitter and the ball went high in the area. The setter was yelling "go" but when it became obvious that no one was going to take the second ball, she stepped forward and set a ball to a hitter who put it away. No double contact called. I thought it was pretty funny the ref missed it and I enjoyed rewatching a few times.
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Post by bucky415 on Jan 23, 2019 0:40:14 GMT -5
Outside of volleyball again, but I would have to go with the Fifth down game in 1990 when Colorado won at Missouri. Then, in 1997, Missouri lost at home against another co national champion on the legal, but devastating, kicked ball play, which extended a long losing streak to the Huskers. It is not good when your most notable football games of a decade are excruciating losses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 1:45:28 GMT -5
Hahahah...that's professional trolling right there. That wasn't putting the game in the officials' hands. That was a blown call worse than anything in modern football memory, so bad that even the Rams have admitted it was a totally botched call. That scale of call gets missed, there aren't many teams out there who can 'adapt'. If an official won't call pass interference when the defender hits the receiver while the ball is still yards away--that's just incompetence, made even worse because of the missed head to head contact that was a 15 yrd penalty. They missed both calls. And I bet the two officials on that side of the field have called their last NFL game. The Saints absolutely put the game in the refs hand since they are complaining about one call the refs didn't make. One call in a 60-minute game. They had enough chances to win, they were outplayed and the game stats prove it. The Rams didn't cry about all the no-calls that went against them. They kept playing, that's why they're moving on. Nothing will happen with the officials, outside of a talking to. These are the best crews in the league. The league is not going to fire officials because one fanbase can't handle defeat. Please. They have every right to complain. This is the volleyball equivalent of not calling a missed serve that hit the net, had the server run forward grab it and throw it over the net. If that kept Hawaii from the Final Four, youd go nuts. The play call was brilliant. LA expected the run and New Orleans got a wide open receiver. There isn't a single NFL player former or current saying anything different. THe closest to different has been Jon Gruden who said - Hey, I've lived through a call like that so now I have someone to share the pain with. It was a horribly blown call and rationalizing with, well they should've called a run is bs. It was pass interference. It was head-to-head contact. They missed multiple obvious calls that would've given New Orleans a 99.9% chance of victory.
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