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Post by bigfan on Jan 24, 2019 22:48:31 GMT -5
What I also said on a thread in the men’s forum: This stinks. I thought I knew Mike decently well, well enough to have once called him a good guy. Unfortunately, that now seems very far from the truth. The evidence seems irrefutable. I’m shocked. Did you ever visit or play in this gym?
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Post by ineedajob on Jan 24, 2019 22:55:10 GMT -5
What I also said on a thread in the men’s forum: This stinks. I thought I knew Mike decently well, well enough to have once called him a good guy. Unfortunately, that now seems very far from the truth. The evidence seems irrefutable. I’m shocked. Did you ever visit or play in this gym? I did not
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Jan 25, 2019 0:32:14 GMT -5
Sorry to remind you all of this, but you might want to delay hanging or castration until after the trial.
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Post by ineedajob on Jan 25, 2019 0:54:20 GMT -5
Sorry to remind you all of this, but you might want to delay hanging or castration until after the trial. Are you aware of any cases where 1) a bathroom camera leading back to the accused’s computer where they found images of patrons using the bathroom and 2) child pornography on the accused’s phone all turned out to be a big misunderstanding? I hate to say it, but that reads to me like he’s been proven guilty. I’ll gladly eat my words if that’s proven otherwise.
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Post by gobruins on Jan 25, 2019 11:32:44 GMT -5
I couldn't see it without subscribing. Did it involve the players? Hidden camera in bathroom, with wires leading directly to his computer. Plus child pornography on said computer. I am not really a high tech expert, but...don't they make cameras with wireless technology?
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Post by bigfan on Jan 25, 2019 12:08:12 GMT -5
Sorry to remind you all of this, but you might want to delay hanging or castration until after the trial. There you go then but anytime you are arrested for child porn charges I must say it is not a good look.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 12:18:27 GMT -5
Sorry to remind you all of this, but you might want to delay hanging or castration until after the trial. Are you aware of any cases where 1) a bathroom camera leading back to the accused’s computer where they found images of patrons using the bathroom and 2) child pornography on the accused’s phone all turned out to be a big misunderstanding? I hate to say it, but that reads to me like he’s been proven guilty. I’ll gladly eat my words if that’s proven otherwise. I do not know of any but I could come up with one scenario. If his defense lawyer, or himself, or his family has not said this though, it becomes very doubtful. 1. Complaints of theft of personal possessions from locker room. 2. Sets up camera pointed at lockers for the next time this happens. 3. Someone sees cameras and complains to police. 4. Police come in, seize computer where camera is automatically recording and storing tapes. 5. Police find tapes where kids are changing and in camera view. = child porn. 6. Perp tells police, "but I have never looked at them, it is just there to refer back to if someone reports theft". 7. Police (and everyone else) say "yeah right". That would be a case of someone meaning well but not thinking through all the other issues this "solution" would cause. We had a case like this where there was constant theft of personal belongings and almost 100 people having access to the room. People DEMANDED we put cameras in, actually called us negligent for not having cameras. It was brought before superiors and we all discussed the potential downsides (privacy, etc.). We put in lockers in a public space, told all the players to put their valuables in those lockers and only to leave clothing etc in main locker room. Still had issues.... Have no idea of the person, nor wtf is going on with this situation. ONLY responding to the post above.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 25, 2019 12:22:50 GMT -5
We had a case like this where there was constant theft of personal belongings and almost 100 people having access to the room. People DEMANDED we put cameras in, actually called us negligent for not having cameras. It was brought before superiors and we all discussed the potential downsides (privacy, etc.). We put in lockers in a public space, told all the players to put their valuables in those lockers and only to leave clothing etc in main locker room. Still had issues.... Have no idea of the person, nor wtf is going on with this situation. ONLY responding to the post above. Plausible explanation but this involves people under 18 years of age.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 12:23:54 GMT -5
Are you aware of any cases where 1) a bathroom camera leading back to the accused’s computer where they found images of patrons using the bathroom and 2) child pornography on the accused’s phone all turned out to be a big misunderstanding? I hate to say it, but that reads to me like he’s been proven guilty. I’ll gladly eat my words if that’s proven otherwise. I do not know of any but I could come up with one scenario. If his defense lawyer, or himself, or his family has not said this though, it becomes very doubtful. 1. Complaints of theft of personal possessions from locker room. 2. Sets up camera pointed at lockers for the next time this happens. 3. Someone sees cameras and complains to police. 4. Police come in, seize computer where camera is automatically recording and storing tapes. 5. Police find tapes where kids are changing and in camera view. = child porn. 6. Perp tells police, "but I have never looked at them, it is just there to refer back to if someone reports theft". 7. Police (and everyone else) say "yeah right". That would be a case of someone meaning well but not thinking through all the other issues this "solution" would cause. We had a case like this where there was constant theft of personal belongings and almost 100 people having access to the room. People DEMANDED we put cameras in, actually called us negligent for not having cameras. It was brought before superiors and we all discussed the potential downsides (privacy, etc.). We put in lockers in a public space, told all the players to put their valuables in those lockers and only to leave clothing etc in main locker room. Still had issues.... Have no idea of the person, nor wtf is going on with this situation. ONLY responding to the post above. And the child porn found on his phone comes into play when in your scenario?
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jan 25, 2019 12:25:31 GMT -5
Are you aware of any cases where 1) a bathroom camera leading back to the accused’s computer where they found images of patrons using the bathroom and 2) child pornography on the accused’s phone all turned out to be a big misunderstanding? I hate to say it, but that reads to me like he’s been proven guilty. I’ll gladly eat my words if that’s proven otherwise. I do not know of any but I could come up with one scenario. If his defense lawyer, or himself, or his family has not said this though, it becomes very doubtful. 1. Complaints of theft of personal possessions from locker room. 2. Sets up camera pointed at lockers for the next time this happens. 3. Someone sees cameras and complains to police. 4. Police come in, seize computer where camera is automatically recording and storing tapes. 5. Police find tapes where kids are changing and in camera view. = child porn. 6. Perp tells police, "but I have never looked at them, it is just there to refer back to if someone reports theft". 7. Police (and everyone else) say "yeah right". That would be a case of someone meaning well but not thinking through all the other issues this "solution" would cause. We had a case like this where there was constant theft of personal belongings and almost 100 people having access to the room. People DEMANDED we put cameras in, actually called us negligent for not having cameras. It was brought before superiors and we all discussed the potential downsides (privacy, etc.). We put in lockers in a public space, told all the players to put their valuables in those lockers and only to leave clothing etc in main locker room. Still had issues.... Have no idea of the person, nor wtf is going on with this situation. ONLY responding to the post above. Not a locker room, single-use washroom.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 25, 2019 12:30:01 GMT -5
Are you aware of any cases where 1) a bathroom camera leading back to the accused’s computer where they found images of patrons using the bathroom and 2) child pornography on the accused’s phone all turned out to be a big misunderstanding? I hate to say it, but that reads to me like he’s been proven guilty. I’ll gladly eat my words if that’s proven otherwise. I do not know of any but I could come up with one scenario. If his defense lawyer, or himself, or his family has not said this though, it becomes very doubtful. 1. Complaints of theft of personal possessions from locker room. 2. Sets up camera pointed at lockers for the next time this happens. 3. Someone sees cameras and complains to police. 4. Police come in, seize computer where camera is automatically recording and storing tapes. 5. Police find tapes where kids are changing and in camera view. = child porn. 6. Perp tells police, "but I have never looked at them, it is just there to refer back to if someone reports theft". 7. Police (and everyone else) say "yeah right". That would be a case of someone meaning well but not thinking through all the other issues this "solution" would cause. We had a case like this where there was constant theft of personal belongings and almost 100 people having access to the room. People DEMANDED we put cameras in, actually called us negligent for not having cameras. It was brought before superiors and we all discussed the potential downsides (privacy, etc.). We put in lockers in a public space, told all the players to put their valuables in those lockers and only to leave clothing etc in main locker room. Still had issues.... Have no idea of the person, nor wtf is going on with this situation. ONLY responding to the post above. Single use bathroom with door, one toilet, one sink, and camera in ceiling according to the interview with facility owner and segment on the news last night. Edit: Hawk got it, but the owner looked visibly shook on the news last night as well. - abc7chicago.com/carol-stream-volleyball-coach-recorded-minors-in-bathroom-prosecutors/5104827/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 12:30:13 GMT -5
I do not know of any but I could come up with one scenario. If his defense lawyer, or himself, or his family has not said this though, it becomes very doubtful. 1. Complaints of theft of personal possessions from locker room. 2. Sets up camera pointed at lockers for the next time this happens. 3. Someone sees cameras and complains to police. 4. Police come in, seize computer where camera is automatically recording and storing tapes. 5. Police find tapes where kids are changing and in camera view. = child porn. 6. Perp tells police, "but I have never looked at them, it is just there to refer back to if someone reports theft". 7. Police (and everyone else) say "yeah right". That would be a case of someone meaning well but not thinking through all the other issues this "solution" would cause. We had a case like this where there was constant theft of personal belongings and almost 100 people having access to the room. People DEMANDED we put cameras in, actually called us negligent for not having cameras. It was brought before superiors and we all discussed the potential downsides (privacy, etc.). We put in lockers in a public space, told all the players to put their valuables in those lockers and only to leave clothing etc in main locker room. Still had issues.... Have no idea of the person, nor wtf is going on with this situation. ONLY responding to the post above. And the child porn found on his phone comes into play when in your scenario? I assumed whatever camera system it was (like nest, arlo etc) just records and stores. So, it would have an app. As I said, extremely doubtful and given another poster saying it is a one person bathroom, implausible in this case. EDIT: I watched the local newscast that was posted and they make it sound like the child porn is separate from the content that was from the hidden camera. Pretty sick.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Jan 25, 2019 13:20:52 GMT -5
And the child porn found on his phone comes into play when in your scenario? I assumed whatever camera system it was (like nest, arlo etc) just records and stores. So, it would have an app. As I said, extremely doubtful and given another poster saying it is a one person bathroom, implausible in this case. EDIT: I watched the local newscast that was posted and they make it sound like the child porn is separate from the content that was from the hidden camera. Pretty sick. Exactly. There were two separate issues: the camera with saved footage of wash room, and child pornography. That seems pretty damning.
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Post by BiasedBlocker on Jan 25, 2019 13:47:32 GMT -5
Are you aware of any cases where 1) a bathroom camera leading back to the accused’s computer where they found images of patrons using the bathroom and 2) child pornography on the accused’s phone all turned out to be a big misunderstanding? I hate to say it, but that reads to me like he’s been proven guilty. I’ll gladly eat my words if that’s proven otherwise. I do not know of any but I could come up with one scenario. If his defense lawyer, or himself, or his family has not said this though, it becomes very doubtful. 1. Complaints of theft of personal possessions from locker room. 2. Sets up camera pointed at lockers for the next time this happens. 3. Someone sees cameras and complains to police. 4. Police come in, seize computer where camera is automatically recording and storing tapes. 5. Police find tapes where kids are changing and in camera view. = child porn. 6. Perp tells police, "but I have never looked at them, it is just there to refer back to if someone reports theft". 7. Police (and everyone else) say "yeah right". That would be a case of someone meaning well but not thinking through all the other issues this "solution" would cause. We had a case like this where there was constant theft of personal belongings and almost 100 people having access to the room. People DEMANDED we put cameras in, actually called us negligent for not having cameras. It was brought before superiors and we all discussed the potential downsides (privacy, etc.). We put in lockers in a public space, told all the players to put their valuables in those lockers and only to leave clothing etc in main locker room. Still had issues.... Have no idea of the person, nor wtf is going on with this situation. ONLY responding to the post above. You should probably refrain from playing devil's advocate on this one, Johnnie Cochran...
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 25, 2019 14:26:08 GMT -5
Do you pay the 25k and use the month to get your loose ends in order before finding out if you go to prison for possibly 20+ years, or do you just stay in booking and wait it out?
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