|
Post by diyakuno on Apr 23, 2019 13:48:48 GMT -5
I don't understand the hype for Ma'a. I respect his skills and all, but he just didn't have an All-American season -- like Staddick. The pool is so competitive and there are certainly other setters that deserve the recognition.
|
|
|
Post by purpleace on Apr 23, 2019 14:04:22 GMT -5
Barton's Angelos Mandilaris and Belmont Abbey's Liam Maxwell deserve second or third team considerations.
|
|
|
Post by Scipio Aemilianus on Apr 23, 2019 14:07:31 GMT -5
There is a clear line of demarcation where there are the obvious, should be unanimous 1st team All-Americans and then a cluster of guys behind them. And this poll lays that out perfectly. The guys that currently have 60 or more votes are:
Joe Worsley Rado Parapunov Stijn Van Tilburg Josh Tuaniga Kyle Ensing TJ Defalco David Wieczorek Micah Ma'a
To me, these 8 guys are obvious choices and should be unanimous. You could argue against one but you really wouldn't win that argument. They all have at least 60 votes and the next closest guy (Gage) is at 47 votes then 34 (Gasman), then 28 (Kofi).
The interesting part is this list is 2 setters, 2 opposites, 3 outsides, and a do-everything utility guy. There are no middles or liberos on this list. Three Hawaii guys, three LBSU guys, a Pepperdine guy, and a UCLA guy. Only 4 teams represented here.
Again, I'll be shocked and disappointed if any of these 8 aren't 1st Team All-Americans. And honestly, there are a lot of good options to fill out the remainder of the 1st team but none of them are locks or would-be snubs.
|
|
|
Post by wilbur on Apr 23, 2019 15:09:12 GMT -5
There is a clear line of demarcation where there are the obvious, should be unanimous 1st team All-Americans and then a cluster of guys behind them. And this poll lays that out perfectly. The guys that currently have 60 or more votes are: Joe Worsley Rado Parapunov Stijn Van Tilburg Josh Tuaniga Kyle Ensing TJ Defalco David Wieczorek Micah Ma'a To me, these 8 guys are obvious choices and should be unanimous. You could argue against one but you really wouldn't win that argument. They all have at least 60 votes and the next closest guy (Gage) is at 47 votes then 34 (Gasman), then 28 (Kofi). The interesting part is this list is 2 setters, 2 opposites, 3 outsides, and a do-everything utility guy. There are no middles or liberos on this list. Three Hawaii guys, three LBSU guys, a Pepperdine guy, and a UCLA guy. Only 4 teams represented here. Again, I'll be shocked and disappointed if any of these 8 aren't 1st Team All-Americans. And honestly, there are a lot of good options to fill out the remainder of the 1st team but none of them are locks or would-be snubs. agree here. consider this though: gage needs to be added to satisfy the libero requirement and then probably one middle. Are they going to give to gasman and have one team get 50% of the picks for all 24 teams? Don't see that happening. Likely to trim some UH players out, not sure who but I am pretty sure they are not going more than 4 UH players and maybe as few as 3.
|
|
|
Post by bouncethat on Apr 23, 2019 15:13:40 GMT -5
There is a clear line of demarcation where there are the obvious, should be unanimous 1st team All-Americans and then a cluster of guys behind them. And this poll lays that out perfectly. The guys that currently have 60 or more votes are: Joe Worsley Rado Parapunov Stijn Van Tilburg Josh Tuaniga Kyle Ensing TJ Defalco David Wieczorek Micah Ma'a To me, these 8 guys are obvious choices and should be unanimous. You could argue against one but you really wouldn't win that argument. They all have at least 60 votes and the next closest guy (Gage) is at 47 votes then 34 (Gasman), then 28 (Kofi). The interesting part is this list is 2 setters, 2 opposites, 3 outsides, and a do-everything utility guy. There are no middles or liberos on this list. Three Hawaii guys, three LBSU guys, a Pepperdine guy, and a UCLA guy. Only 4 teams represented here. Again, I'll be shocked and disappointed if any of these 8 aren't 1st Team All-Americans. And honestly, there are a lot of good options to fill out the remainder of the 1st team but none of them are locks or would-be snubs. I think the votes for Ma'a are simply too based on reputation. I still think he's the best player in the college game right now but there needs to criteria met in order to be All-American worthy and his numbers (while although very impressive at both OH and S) don't obviously warrant a first team selection in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if still gets a spot on the first team but I don't think from a statistical standpoint he's a shoe-in.
|
|
|
Post by Scipio Aemilianus on Apr 23, 2019 15:20:25 GMT -5
I still think he's the best player in the college game right now but there needs to criteria met in order to be All-American worthy I'm genuinely speechless.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 19:11:42 GMT -5
Barton's Angelos Mandilaris and Belmont Abbey's Liam Maxwell deserve second or third team considerations. No third team for men’s D1-2.
|
|
|
Post by bouncethat on Apr 24, 2019 0:06:16 GMT -5
I still think he's the best player in the college game right now but there needs to criteria met in order to be All-American worthy I'm genuinely speechless. why? Name one player with a wider skill set and with a bigger overall impact to his team.
|
|
|
Post by alicesandra on Apr 24, 2019 1:12:02 GMT -5
IMO, libero shouldnt make it this year. no one stood out beyond belief throughout the course of the season. yes gage was fantastic in some plays, but his overall serve reception wasnt better than boehle. boehle was the best player on his team, and i believe he was the only libero to be the best player on a top 10 team. so if its not boehle, than no gage. Just got to read this thread, but Gage's serve reception percentage was over .960 after the LB games. And even higher before. Boehle may be the best on his team but even when Hawaii is extremely solid at every position, Gage still manages to stand out.
|
|
|
Post by alicesandra on Apr 24, 2019 1:14:42 GMT -5
I'm genuinely speechless. why? Name one player with a wider skill set and with a bigger overall impact to his team. 100% agree. You can't punish a player if his team isn't doing very well. Ma'a still managed to play an amazing all around game, playing setter, oppo, and outside. IMO, he's the first player I would put on first team AAs.
|
|
|
Post by Scipio Aemilianus on Apr 24, 2019 1:29:03 GMT -5
I'm genuinely speechless. why? Name one player with a wider skill set and with a bigger overall impact to his team. I can’t. You are the one arguing for him not on 1st team, not me. You said he doesn’t meet a certain “criteria” because of numbers and that he’s only getting votes because of “reputation”. But it is pretty funny seeing your immediate flip flop.
|
|
|
Post by bouncethat on Apr 24, 2019 9:16:31 GMT -5
why? Name one player with a wider skill set and with a bigger overall impact to his team. I can’t. You are the one arguing for him not on 1st team, not me. You said he doesn’t meet a certain “criteria” because of numbers and that he’s only getting votes because of “reputation”. But it is pretty funny seeing your immediate flip flop. theres no flip flop, i still don’t think he has first team All-American numbers. But i can differentiate between stats and what i believe is true skill. While although it does seem crazy that the best player in the country (in my opinion) isn’t worthy of first team honors, the committee has to go off straight stats. Anything else and it becomes a name game which simply isn’t fair. Based off the words you bolded i simply thought you were speechless at my calling Micah the best college baller right now, a statement i will gladly stand behind
|
|
|
Post by Scipio Aemilianus on Apr 24, 2019 10:00:09 GMT -5
I can’t. You are the one arguing for him not on 1st team, not me. You said he doesn’t meet a certain “criteria” because of numbers and that he’s only getting votes because of “reputation”. But it is pretty funny seeing your immediate flip flop. theres no flip flop, i still don’t think he has first team All-American numbers. But i can differentiate between stats and what i believe is true skill. While although it does seem crazy that the best player in the country (in my opinion) isn’t worthy of first team honors, the committee has to go off straight stats. Anything else and it becomes a name game which simply isn’t fair. Based off the words you bolded i simply thought you were speechless at my calling Micah the best college baller right now, a statement i will gladly stand behind I fully agree that Micah is the best college player right now, I completely agree. I just struggled with the concept of in the same sentence one could say “he’s the best college player” and “he’s not good enough to be a First Team All-American”. The concept of both those things being true at the same time is what left my speechless. The committee is made up of humans, not computers. Humans that have watched matches, watched players play, scouted and coached against players, and honestly know names and play name games. Sure that last part might not be fair to the smaller names and smaller schools, but that’s life. To judge “the best player in the country” based on just stats is even less fair. If it was just stats, you could go to the NCAA stats page and you’d see a lot of Conference Carolina and bottom of conference standing players making the first team All-American. Stats don’t tell the complete story, especially when a guy has played setter, ran a 6-2, AND played outside against the best teams in the country.
|
|
|
Post by beachbum86 on Apr 24, 2019 13:12:35 GMT -5
theres no flip flop, i still don’t think he has first team All-American numbers. But i can differentiate between stats and what i believe is true skill. While although it does seem crazy that the best player in the country (in my opinion) isn’t worthy of first team honors, the committee has to go off straight stats. Anything else and it becomes a name game which simply isn’t fair. Based off the words you bolded i simply thought you were speechless at my calling Micah the best college baller right now, a statement i will gladly stand behind I fully agree that Micah is the best college player right now, I completely agree. I just struggled with the concept of in the same sentence one could say “he’s the best college player” and “he’s not good enough to be a First Team All-American”. The concept of both those things being true at the same time is what left my speechless. The committee is made up of humans, not computers. Humans that have watched matches, watched players play, scouted and coached against players, and honestly know names and play name games. Sure that last part might not be fair to the smaller names and smaller schools, but that’s life. To judge “the best player in the country” based on just stats is even less fair. If it was just stats, you could go to the NCAA stats page and you’d see a lot of Conference Carolina and bottom of conference standing players making the first team All-American. Stats don’t tell the complete story, especially when a guy has played setter, ran a 6-2, AND played outside against the best teams in the country. Spot on. Put any other setter at outside or any other outside at setter and he could never compare to Micah’s impact.
|
|
|
Post by raian13 on Apr 24, 2019 15:30:43 GMT -5
why? Name one player with a wider skill set and with a bigger overall impact to his team. 100% agree. You can't punish a player if his team isn't doing very well. Ma'a still managed to play an amazing all around game, playing setter, oppo, and outside. IMO, he's the first player I would put on first team AAs. You can make the case for Norene who, by nature is a setter, had to play Opp on some rotations. She was arguably the best player the Wahine had last season. If she was solely setting and if Hawai’i had a fantastic season she would’ve been an All-American. Did she get recognized by the NCAA? Not even all-regionals.
|
|