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Post by huskerjen on May 2, 2019 19:08:08 GMT -5
So...who should these ADs be hiring for these Big Ten jobs instead of Aird, Hughes, Bond, Tamas... Exactly. I'm all for women getting an opportunity, but the argument needs to be which female coaches are more qualified for Big Ten jobs than those hired? Maybe schools like Maryland and Rutgers could have taken a shot, but Hughes was a miracle worker last year. Rutgers? They don't care enough to support the program, so what up and coming female coach would even want that job? It's career suicide. Indiana had a female coach and most would agree the male replacement is better. There's also the issue that some great women's coaches have turned down gigs, e.g. Olmstead and KBB. While I'd prefer progress happening sooner, it is happening. DBK at Louisville, Bird at TAMU, Rockham at Tenn, et al., will have major suitors if they get the job done at their current programs.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 2, 2019 19:13:37 GMT -5
How can you blame ADs who contact and want to hire the top women coaches, but those coaches aren't taking HC jobs or refuse to move from mid-level jobs to big ones? Do you really think this is the problem? If so, explain why it is a problem in volleyball when women's basketball seems to be able to find a large number of women coaches to take HC jobs and move from mid level jobs to big ones. Because the women volleyball coaches in position to get top-tier jobs are getting calls and saying no. It's not like ADs aren't hiring any women head coaches (go to the jobs thread for a dose of misogyny against the "young female coach" that gets hired), but the top assistants who could land a Top 10-20 job are generally not interested in being a head coach, and women HCs at mid-tier programs are showing a remarkable amount of loyalty to the schools that originally hired them. As Jen notes above, we've seen a few high-ceiling P5 programs be successful getting top women ACs - Louisville, A&M and Tennessee, f.ex. - so maybe we are at a turning point.
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 2, 2019 20:04:33 GMT -5
So...who should these ADs be hiring for these Big Ten jobs instead of Aird, Hughes, Bond, Tamas... Exactly. I'm all for women getting an opportunity, but the argument needs to be which female coaches are more qualified for Big Ten jobs than those hired? Maybe schools like Maryland and Rutgers could have taken a shot, but Hughes was a miracle worker last year. Rutgers? They don't care enough to support the program, so what up and coming female coach would even want that job? It's career suicide. Indiana had a female coach and most would agree the male replacement is better. There's also the issue that some great women's coaches have turned down gigs, e.g. Olmstead and KBB. While I'd prefer progress happening sooner, it is happening. DBK at Louisville, Bird at TAMU, Rockham at Tenn, et al., will have major suitors if they get the job done at their current programs. With continued grooming, women like Didline, Reed, and Brown can make their name at a mid-major then find themselves back in the B1G. Michaela Franklin left Iowa to work miracles at Clemson, her trajectory is on the up.
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Post by pepperbrooks on May 2, 2019 21:41:15 GMT -5
With continued grooming women like Didline, Reed, and Brown can make their name at a mid-major then find themselves back in the B1G. Michaela Franklin left Iowa to work miracles at Clemson, her trajectory is on the up. The problem is that in women's sports in general the problem is growing, not getting better. It is fascinating to read about the state of hiring in women's basketball, their current concerns, and realize just how incredibly pathetic is the state of women's volleyball in comparison. Muffet McGraw is done hiring men "Women need the opportunity. They deserve the opportunity."When Title IX was enacted in 1972, 90 percent of the coaches of women’s college sports were women. These days, it’s about 41.5 percent. The numbers are slightly better for women’s basketball, the most popular women’s collegiate sport. Last year, 59.3 percent of women’s college basketball teams were coached by women, down from 79.4 percent in 1977. The opportunity gap is magnified by the fact that the number of women coaching in men’s college sports has remained below 3.5 percent since before Title IX. Currently, there is only one female assistant coach in all of NCAA men’s college basketball. In last year’s Final Four, McGraw was the only female head coach. For the past 40 years, as women’s basketball has grown in popularity and prestige, she’s seen white men enter the sport and immediately grab prominent positions while women struggle to get their feet in the door for an interview. She’s watched those who are hired deal with both systemic and targeted discrimination and harassment. She’s seen how, when women get fired, second chances are hard to come by. And she knows firsthand what it’s like to deal with a level of scrutiny that their male counterparts could never imagine — from focus on their looks, to a policing of their anger. Unparalleled success isn’t enough to stave off the never-ending questioning of their priorities and vision. Moreover, McGraw knows that the decline in the percentage of women head coaches is a complicated matter. She also knows that it has nothing to do with a lack of interest in the sport, as her rival, University of Connecticut women’s basketball head coach Geno Auriemma, once suggested. She’s had enough. For the last seven years, she has had an all-female coaching staff. “Women need the opportunity. They deserve the opportunity,” she says. Asked whether she plans to ever hire a male coach again, she doesn’t hesitate: “No.” I get where she’s coming from, but I don’t think those situations she was talking about have happened in volleyball. Women are getting tons of opportunity to coach volleyball.
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Post by nevollfan on May 2, 2019 23:03:53 GMT -5
You are right that they have hired many women head coaches in basketball. Have those big ten coaches won any basketball championships? To be accurate, the list of B1G volleyball coaches who have won national championships at a B1G school is not a long one. I believe it is only two. But 12 national championships. When John Cook retires, I hope he gets the final say in his replacement. Right now, I’m guessing, he coaches through the 2024 season. Picks his successor, which surveying the top candidates, would be a male. I don’t care one way or another, but pick the best person who can keep Nebraska amongst the very elite. Currently, not to many young females are in the very elite class. I would want demonstrated head coaching acumen on the major college level.
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 2, 2019 23:50:26 GMT -5
To be accurate, the list of B1G volleyball coaches who have won national championships at a B1G school is not a long one. I believe it is only two. But 12 national championships. When John Cook retires, I hope he gets the final say in his replacement. Right now, I’m guessing, he coaches through the 2024 season. Picks his successor, which surveying the top candidates, would be a male. I don’t care one way or another, but pick the best person who can keep Nebraska amongst the very elite. Currently, not to many young females are in the very elite class. I would want demonstrated head coaching acumen on the major college level. I would think/hope Dani Busboom Kelly is the heir apparent to the Nebraska throne...
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Post by nevollfan on May 3, 2019 0:13:04 GMT -5
But 12 national championships. When John Cook retires, I hope he gets the final say in his replacement. Right now, I’m guessing, he coaches through the 2024 season. Picks his successor, which surveying the top candidates, would be a male. I don’t care one way or another, but pick the best person who can keep Nebraska amongst the very elite. Currently, not to many young females are in the very elite class. I would want demonstrated head coaching acumen on the major college level. I would think/hope Dani Busboom Kelly is the heir apparent to the Nebraska throne... She is showing strong potential only after two years. But she needs to elevate her program to a higher level and consistently well. John Cook, at Wisconsin, was the national runner up to PSU in 1998. He was a seasoned head coach who did well and culminating with the second place result in that last year. I hope John Cook decides, just like Terry Petit.
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Post by stevehorn on May 3, 2019 8:11:17 GMT -5
To be accurate, the list of B1G volleyball coaches who have won national championships at a B1G school is not a long one. I believe it is only two. But 12 national championships. When John Cook retires, I hope he gets the final say in his replacement. Right now, I’m guessing, he coaches through the 2024 season. Picks his successor, which surveying the top candidates, would be a male. I don’t care one way or another, but pick the best person who can keep Nebraska amongst the very elite. Currently, not to many young females are in the very elite class. I would want demonstrated head coaching acumen on the major college level. You missed the point. Nebraska and Penn State winning national championships doesn't make the remainder of the B1G coaches championship level which your prior post seems to imply.
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Post by stevehorn on May 3, 2019 9:07:54 GMT -5
To be accurate, the list of B1G volleyball coaches who have won national championships at a B1G school is not a long one. I believe it is only two. But 12 national championships. When John Cook retires, I hope he gets the final say in his replacement. Right now, I’m guessing, he coaches through the 2024 season. Picks his successor, which surveying the top candidates, would be a male. I don’t care one way or another, but pick the best person who can keep Nebraska amongst the very elite. Currently, not to many young females are in the very elite class. I would want demonstrated head coaching acumen on the major college level. Based on the timeline in your post, you wouldn't be picking John Cook as the new Nebraska coach because he would just be going into his first season as a head coach.
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Post by pepperbrooks on May 3, 2019 9:22:13 GMT -5
I get where she’s coming from, but I don’t think those situations she was talking about have happened in volleyball. Women are getting tons of opportunity to coach volleyball. Wow, you appear to honestly be saying that without a trace of irony. 21 basketball championships by female head coaches, and 11 of 14 B1G women's basketball programs are led by women, and they are concerned with the direction of the sport. Zero volleyball championships by female head coaches and 1 of 14 B1G women's program led by a woman and you are genuinely bragging about how much opportunity there is for women. The acceptance of this is truly alarming. The state of the sport is little better than it was 30 years ago, when a certain disgraced coach argued the USAV couldn't discipline him because so many coaches were doing the same thing. The attitudes expressed here are not encouraging at all for the future of the sport. Not talking about Big Ten specifically but collegiate volleyball coaching in general. And as has been pointed out, who should have been hired instead of the people in place? I have heard-- but do not know for fact -- that Bernthal Booth, Johnson-Lynch, Bobbi Peterson, and many others have been pursued for more high profile jobs, and they didn't take them or didn't pursue them. So who should have been hired instead?
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 3, 2019 9:24:52 GMT -5
Wow, you appear to honestly be saying that without a trace of irony. 21 basketball championships by female head coaches, and 11 of 14 B1G women's basketball programs are led by women, and they are concerned with the direction of the sport. Zero volleyball championships by female head coaches and 1 of 14 B1G women's program led by a woman and you are genuinely bragging about how much opportunity there is for women. The acceptance of this is truly alarming. The state of the sport is little better than it was 30 years ago, when a certain disgraced coach argued the USAV couldn't discipline him because so many coaches were doing the same thing. The attitudes expressed here are not encouraging at all for the future of the sport. Not talking about Big Ten specifically but collegiate volleyball coaching in general. And as has been pointed out, who should have been hired instead of the people in place? I have heard-- but do not know for fact -- that Bernthal Booth, Johnson-Lynch, Bobbi Peterson, and many others have been pursued for more high profile jobs, and they didn't take them or didn't pursue them. So who should have been hired instead? Erin Virtue
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Post by bkedane on May 3, 2019 9:47:23 GMT -5
You are right that they have hired many women head coaches in basketball. Have those big ten coaches won any basketball championships? Good point. Women head coaches have only won 21 of the 38 women's basketball championships (10 of the other 17 were Geno Auriemma). Someone remind me how we are doing on that front in women's volleyball? How about the Big Ten women's basketball coaches...which is what I asked about?
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Post by bkedane on May 3, 2019 9:48:14 GMT -5
Not talking about Big Ten specifically but collegiate volleyball coaching in general. And as has been pointed out, who should have been hired instead of the people in place? I have heard-- but do not know for fact -- that Bernthal Booth, Johnson-Lynch, Bobbi Peterson, and many others have been pursued for more high profile jobs, and they didn't take them or didn't pursue them. So who should have been hired instead? Erin Virtue Has she had much success as an assistant?
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 3, 2019 9:54:16 GMT -5
Has she had much success as an assistant? Reached the Final Four at Michigan and recruited well there and at Northwestern.
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Post by huskervball24 on May 3, 2019 10:29:13 GMT -5
I would think/hope Dani Busboom Kelly is the heir apparent to the Nebraska throne... She is showing strong potential only after two years. But she needs to elevate her program to a higher level and consistently well. John Cook, at Wisconsin, was the national runner up to PSU in 1998. He was a seasoned head coach who did well and culminating with the second place result in that last year. I hope John Cook decides, just like Terry Petit. I think Tamas has a good shot at it as well. Or at least I hope he does!
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