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Post by donnyb on May 31, 2019 7:12:30 GMT -5
Piotr and Palm are playing this weekend in Ft. Myers for Dig the Beach Lucky for us. Lol. I will be playing in it
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Post by guest2 on May 31, 2019 7:17:57 GMT -5
I know they are capping the number of qualifier teams. Does anyone know how many they are letting in? I had heard 48 but I don’t know that for certain. If so, that would mean a few real players, including the Partain brothers, wouldn’t even get into the quali. Crazy. This would be a travesty for two kids that we will be watching for many years to come, get rid of whatever crap weekend warriors that are taking advantage of a tourney in their home town tourneys and not grinding for points and give us the high schoolers that could probably take down some guys that want this to be full time for them. Not sure either has that much potential, although its been a while since I saw them, so I'd be interested to see how they have filled out etc. Why didn't they play in Huntington or Austin? Definitely seems like somewhere that a wild card into the qualifier might be appropriate but have they made the effort to get points?
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 31, 2019 7:51:05 GMT -5
Piotr and Palm are playing this weekend in Ft. Myers for Dig the Beach Lucky for us. Lol. I will be playing in it Nice of you to put down the fishing pole.
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 31, 2019 7:57:59 GMT -5
This would be a travesty for two kids that we will be watching for many years to come, get rid of whatever crap weekend warriors that are taking advantage of a tourney in their home town tourneys and not grinding for points and give us the high schoolers that could probably take down some guys that want this to be full time for them. Not sure either has that much potential, although its been a while since I saw them, so I'd be interested to see how they have filled out etc. Why didn't they play in Huntington or Austin? Definitely seems like somewhere that a wild card into the qualifier might be appropriate but have they made the effort to get points? that's the thing, They haven't played any local AVPNext events? you should be able to get to around 200 points fairly easy. a 33rd in huntington gets you 70 pts. a 49th at MB gets you more than 70pts.
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 31, 2019 8:07:26 GMT -5
This would be a travesty for two kids that we will be watching for many years to come, get rid of whatever crap weekend warriors that are taking advantage of a tourney in their home town tourneys and not grinding for points and give us the high schoolers that could probably take down some guys that want this to be full time for them. Not sure either has that much potential, although its been a while since I saw them, so I'd be interested to see how they have filled out etc. Why didn't they play in Huntington or Austin? Definitely seems like somewhere that a wild card into the qualifier might be appropriate but have they made the effort to get points? Joking right? The younger brother toyed with Samuals like he was a puppy running out into the yard confused about how his new electric fence worked. Think about any other player and where they were at 15 and 17 in their volleyball career and give them 5-10 years of dedicated training, the younger brother had barley started puberty and didn't even have a license yet. I am sure they have school and/or club commitments that are more important to them and their friends at this stage in their lives that caused them not to play in the earlier tourneys in the year. Plus they will both be going to train at a super high level at UCLA and I would imagine there will be interest in having them be scout players or managers for the woman's beach program to continue with their outdoor training as well. volleymob.com/ucla-gathers-commits-from-partain-brothers-for-class-of-2019-2020/
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 31, 2019 8:10:49 GMT -5
Not sure either has that much potential, although its been a while since I saw them, so I'd be interested to see how they have filled out etc. Why didn't they play in Huntington or Austin? Definitely seems like somewhere that a wild card into the qualifier might be appropriate but have they made the effort to get points? that's the thing, They haven't played any local AVPNext events? you should be able to get to around 200 points fairly easy. a 33rd in huntington gets you 70 pts. a 49th at MB gets you more than 70pts. Regardless if there were AVPNext events going on I would like to see how all the events lined up with their high school, club, or USA beach schedule where at that point in my life I would want to try and finish off season with my friends rather than try and gather points when I know that can happen for years to come. Also lets say they were more focused on indoor at this part of the season, we talk about how Tim B needed to get his legs under him for the first tourney, also for all we know they choose to not go out and kill their bodies if they had state playoffs or something as someone mentioned in an earlier thread how their team was making a run.
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 31, 2019 8:12:51 GMT -5
that's the thing, They haven't played any local AVPNext events? you should be able to get to around 200 points fairly easy. a 33rd in huntington gets you 70 pts. a 49th at MB gets you more than 70pts. Regardless if there were AVPNext events going on I would like to see how all the events lined up with their high school, club, or USA beach schedule where at that point in my life I would want to try and finish off season with my friends rather than try and gather points when I know that can happen for years to come. Also lets say they were more focused on indoor at this part of the season, we talk about how Tim B needed to get his legs under him for the first tourney, also for all we know they choose to not go out and kill their bodies if they had state playoffs or something as someone mentioned in an earlier thread how their team was making a run. That's all great stuff. Then they absolutely do not deserve a WC. Players who busted their butts the same way for beach deserve it over them.
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Post by donnyb on May 31, 2019 8:21:03 GMT -5
Lucky for us. Lol. I will be playing in it Nice of you to put down the fishing pole. trying to hold down home court. Lol.
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 31, 2019 8:38:21 GMT -5
Nice of you to put down the fishing pole. trying to hold down home court. Lol. Yeah, hopefully it's a bit cooler by you, Orlando is getting roasted.
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 31, 2019 10:03:21 GMT -5
Regardless if there were AVPNext events going on I would like to see how all the events lined up with their high school, club, or USA beach schedule where at that point in my life I would want to try and finish off season with my friends rather than try and gather points when I know that can happen for years to come. Also lets say they were more focused on indoor at this part of the season, we talk about how Tim B needed to get his legs under him for the first tourney, also for all we know they choose to not go out and kill their bodies if they had state playoffs or something as someone mentioned in an earlier thread how their team was making a run. That's all great stuff. Then they absolutely do not deserve a WC. Players who busted their butts the same way for beach deserve it over them. Them being proven winners, USA beach pipeline athletes, and previous AVP success does not factor in to them deserving a wild card? They are out trying to qualify for international tournaments, winning high school/club tournaments, and recently committed to UCLA - I would 100% rather watch them than the guys who played in 1 or 2 local AVPNexts and traveled to a weak field in Austin because they were busy with the glorified open teams in the NVL pretending to be pro players or working in their cubes for other events. We talk about making sure younger players get involved in beach and maybe pick the outdoor game rather than indoor, here are the people above them - I see a lot of guys who have/will never sniff a main draw and easily get rolled by the brothers who deserve the current hype and attention; 45 Austin/Johnson 492 46 Coutts/Groselle 475 47 Welch/Salvador 468 48 Goldsmith/Martin 459 49 burrow/Diaz 456 50 Parent/Wimmer 455 51 Naslund/Davis 453 52 Beans/Hamilton 449 53 Bicko/Back 439 54 Mayer/Field 431 55 Cory/Justice 419 56 O'Neill/Raffol 419 57 Knight/Dirks 408 58 Shassol/Niemczynowicz 402 59 Roberts/Schlicker 402 60 Hawkins/Glessner 380 61 Cyr/Roth 371 62 Lagochniak/Morehead 366 63 Gustafson/Miller 355 64 Caldwell/Johnson 348 65 Sutton/Keller 346 66 Carnes/Kerlin 335 67 Partain/Partain 314
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 31, 2019 12:06:34 GMT -5
That's all great stuff. Then they absolutely do not deserve a WC. Players who busted their butts the same way for beach deserve it over them. Them being proven winners, USA beach pipeline athletes, and previous AVP success does not factor in to them deserving a wild card? They are out trying to qualify for international tournaments, winning high school/club tournaments, and recently committed to UCLA - I would 100% rather watch them than the guys who played in 1 or 2 local AVPNexts and traveled to a weak field in Austin because they were busy with the glorified open teams in the NVL pretending to be pro players or working in their cubes for other events. We talk about making sure younger players get involved in beach and maybe pick the outdoor game rather than indoor, here are the people above them - I see a lot of guys who have/will never sniff a main draw and easily get rolled by the brothers who deserve the current hype and attention; 45 Austin/Johnson 492 46 Coutts/Groselle 475 47 Welch/Salvador 468 48 Goldsmith/Martin 459 49 burrow/Diaz 456 50 Parent/Wimmer 455 51 Naslund/Davis 453 52 Beans/Hamilton 449 53 Bicko/Back 439 54 Mayer/Field 431 55 Cory/Justice 419 56 O'Neill/Raffol 419 57 Knight/Dirks 408 58 Shassol/Niemczynowicz 402 59 Roberts/Schlicker 402 60 Hawkins/Glessner 380 61 Cyr/Roth 371 62 Lagochniak/Morehead 366 63 Gustafson/Miller 355 64 Caldwell/Johnson 348 65 Sutton/Keller 346 66 Carnes/Kerlin 335 67 Partain/Partain 314 there are people on your list who have already played MDs, let alone sniff them. Your other arguments are just biased and excuses for not playing AVP events.
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Post by guest2 on May 31, 2019 12:23:52 GMT -5
that's the thing, They haven't played any local AVPNext events? you should be able to get to around 200 points fairly easy. a 33rd in huntington gets you 70 pts. a 49th at MB gets you more than 70pts. Regardless if there were AVPNext events going on I would like to see how all the events lined up with their high school, club, or USA beach schedule where at that point in my life I would want to try and finish off season with my friends rather than try and gather points when I know that can happen for years to come. Also lets say they were more focused on indoor at this part of the season, we talk about how Tim B needed to get his legs under him for the first tourney, also for all we know they choose to not go out and kill their bodies if they had state playoffs or something as someone mentioned in an earlier thread how their team was making a run. All of the things you suggest amount to "they prioritized other things over playing beach." Nothing wrong with that, but the guys you deride didn't. Most had real, adult obligations like jobs, families etc. and they found the time, how do they deserve it less than teenagers who prioritized "offseasons with their friends" (not that I know they did, but just using your proffered rationale) Say a 19 year old walks into a top law firm or investment bank and wants an internship. When the HR guy asks, "did you take X course at your school which would have prepared you for this?" the 19 year old says, "no, I knew I should but I was more interested in AP US history" Thats the end of the interview. These guys may one day be solid pros, but they arent Kent Steffes or Phil Dalhausser and if they want a leg up, they should show they are dedicated to earning it. No knock on them, they have plenty of time to do whatever they want, but they havent earned a WC or really shown any special talent. This isnt Steffes playing high level beach at 19 or Ceman/Swatik almost knocking off KK/KS at the same age. They have some nice wins over decent players, thats all
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 31, 2019 12:53:11 GMT -5
Them being proven winners, USA beach pipeline athletes, and previous AVP success does not factor in to them deserving a wild card? They are out trying to qualify for international tournaments, winning high school/club tournaments, and recently committed to UCLA - I would 100% rather watch them than the guys who played in 1 or 2 local AVPNexts and traveled to a weak field in Austin because they were busy with the glorified open teams in the NVL pretending to be pro players or working in their cubes for other events. We talk about making sure younger players get involved in beach and maybe pick the outdoor game rather than indoor, here are the people above them - I see a lot of guys who have/will never sniff a main draw and easily get rolled by the brothers who deserve the current hype and attention; 45 Austin/Johnson 492 46 Coutts/Groselle 475 47 Welch/Salvador 468 48 Goldsmith/Martin 459 49 burrow/Diaz 456 50 Parent/Wimmer 455 51 Naslund/Davis 453 52 Beans/Hamilton 449 53 Bicko/Back 439 54 Mayer/Field 431 55 Cory/Justice 419 56 O'Neill/Raffol 419 57 Knight/Dirks 408 58 Shassol/Niemczynowicz 402 59 Roberts/Schlicker 402 60 Hawkins/Glessner 380 61 Cyr/Roth 371 62 Lagochniak/Morehead 366 63 Gustafson/Miller 355 64 Caldwell/Johnson 348 65 Sutton/Keller 346 66 Carnes/Kerlin 335 67 Partain/Partain 314 there are people on your list who have already played MDs, let alone sniff them. Your other arguments are just biased and excuses for not playing AVP events. Right, I said I see a lot...not all.
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 31, 2019 13:02:58 GMT -5
Regardless if there were AVPNext events going on I would like to see how all the events lined up with their high school, club, or USA beach schedule where at that point in my life I would want to try and finish off season with my friends rather than try and gather points when I know that can happen for years to come. Also lets say they were more focused on indoor at this part of the season, we talk about how Tim B needed to get his legs under him for the first tourney, also for all we know they choose to not go out and kill their bodies if they had state playoffs or something as someone mentioned in an earlier thread how their team was making a run. All of the things you suggest amount to "they prioritized other things over playing beach." Nothing wrong with that, but the guys you deride didn't. Most had real, adult obligations like jobs, families etc. and they found the time, how do they deserve it less than teenagers who prioritized "offseasons with their friends" (not that I know they did, but just using your proffered rationale) Say a 19 year old walks into a top law firm or investment bank and wants an internship. When the HR guy asks, "did you take X course at your school which would have prepared you for this?" the 19 year old says, "no, I knew I should but I was more interested in AP US history" Thats the end of the interview. These guys may one day be solid pros, but they arent Kent Steffes or Phil Dalhausser and if they want a leg up, they should show they are dedicated to earning it. No knock on them, they have plenty of time to do whatever they want, but they havent earned a WC or really shown any special talent. This isnt Steffes playing high level beach at 19 or Ceman/Swatik almost knocking off KK/KS at the same age. They have some nice wins over decent players, thats all Prioritized other VOLLEYBALL things than playing beach, that is not a professional beach off season with their friends - boys club season runs through July and I am sure they are major pieces to their club teams that they have friends on, so if they bailed it would significantly decrease their teams and friends chances of winning tournaments, not to mention they probably still have class or just finished school. So are you dismissing them being UCLA Commits, qualifying for a main draw before one could drive and one could buy lotto tickets, playing FIVB and being USA pipeline guys? I would say those are pretty qualifying internships to make sure the AVP puts them in a qualifier they signed up for that will most likely wind up with a cap. It's real hard to even think that you read my post and not just running through it to hurry up and post your remark when you say that they aren't dedicated to earning it and wanting a leg up when they are traveling outside of the country to represent USA and beating teams in local qualifiers that are guys that want to be beach volleyball players full time. Like 405LAX makes the point all the time, why are we wasting our time with guys that are getting waxed 11-11 when we have two bright young stars on the men's side that have a real interest and talent in the game?
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Post by haze on May 31, 2019 13:04:34 GMT -5
They don't give wildcards for the qualifier. They never have and they never will. If the argument is a WC into the main draw, you give it to about the top 10 qualifier seeds before even thinking about someone like the Partain bros. If they want to not miss the qualifier they can play local AVPA tournaments to get more points and qualify the legit way like everyone else.
Most all these guys pay their dues to some form or another. Burik floated in qualifiers early last year without success before now becoming a MD player. Skylar and Bruno were low level qualifers point wise at the beginning of last year and now look to be a MD team possibly in an expanded field. There's opportunities for them to get points to not miss the cut off in qualifiers.
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