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Post by crawdaddy on Jun 13, 2019 12:34:34 GMT -5
This is so incredibly sad. Thoughts to his family and friends. Kudos to Phil for posting about his own experience with mental health issues and seeking professional help. Taking away the stigma of men asking for help is so important.
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Post by ajm on Jun 13, 2019 13:03:26 GMT -5
This is so incredibly sad. Thoughts to his family and friends. Kudos to Phil for posting about his own experience with mental health issues and seeking professional help. Taking away the stigma of men asking for help is so important. Jace Pardon also has an IG post about maintaining mental wellness. I imagine most players who knew him are affected deeply. I hope the AVP provides counseling to those who need it.
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Post by donnyb on Jun 13, 2019 13:16:24 GMT -5
Are they sure it was suicide? Lots of people are talking about mental illness I assume they knew had some issues?
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Post by haze on Jun 13, 2019 13:18:49 GMT -5
Saw Zaun in Hermosa last year laughing and smiling with the Kona Deep water girl who was giving out free samples, and for every free sample she would give out she would say something like "try some Kona Deep water", and Zaun would laugh and say "it's not really from the Deep Ocean, it's all a scam". It was totally quirky and different and I don't think half the people really understood what he was getting at but I thought it was pretty witty actually.
EEVP had a nice little tribute about him on their social media, I am not sure if it's surprising that AVP hasn't yet or maybe that makes sense too.
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Post by haze on Jun 13, 2019 13:19:22 GMT -5
Are they sure it was suicide? Lots of people are talking about mental illness I assume they knew had some issues? It sure sounds like the people that knew him knew he had some struggles.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jun 13, 2019 13:21:13 GMT -5
Saw Zaun in Hermosa last year laughing and smiling with the Kona Deep water girl who was giving out free samples, and for every free sample she would give out she would say something like "try some Kona Deep water", and Zaun would laugh and say "it's not really from the Deep Ocean, it's all a scam". It was totally quirky and different and I don't think half the people really understood what he was getting at but I thought it was pretty witty actually. EEVP had a nice little tribute about him on their social media, I am not sure if it's surprising that AVP hasn't yet or maybe that makes sense too. AVP Tweeted, IG, and Facebook posted about and hour and a half ago (12 CST Time) which was followed by a bunch of shares and even Phil sharing his own experience. http://instagram.com/p/ByqFtA_F-pS
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Post by donnyb on Jun 13, 2019 13:24:48 GMT -5
Saw Zaun in Hermosa last year laughing and smiling with the Kona Deep water girl who was giving out free samples, and for every free sample she would give out she would say something like "try some Kona Deep water", and Zaun would laugh and say "it's not really from the Deep Ocean, it's all a scam". It was totally quirky and different and I don't think half the people really understood what he was getting at but I thought it was pretty witty actually. EEVP had a nice little tribute about him on their social media, I am not sure if it's surprising that AVP hasn't yet or maybe that makes sense too. Avp did today. I find it crazy Phil said he had depression 9 years ago which was after he won gold. Wonder what made that happen. Seems he would be on a high and was the best team in the world
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Post by itsallrelative on Jun 13, 2019 13:33:08 GMT -5
Saw Zaun in Hermosa last year laughing and smiling with the Kona Deep water girl who was giving out free samples, and for every free sample she would give out she would say something like "try some Kona Deep water", and Zaun would laugh and say "it's not really from the Deep Ocean, it's all a scam". It was totally quirky and different and I don't think half the people really understood what he was getting at but I thought it was pretty witty actually. EEVP had a nice little tribute about him on their social media, I am not sure if it's surprising that AVP hasn't yet or maybe that makes sense too. Avp did today. I find it crazy Phil said he had depression 9 years ago which was after he won gold. Wonder what made that happen. Seems he would be on a high and was the best team in the world Sometimes, when you accomplish a major goal...and it isn't what you expect, it can lead to depression..... And it could have been something that leads to depression in "everyday" life, death of a loved one, rocky relationship, financial issues, etc. You never know what someone else is going through...
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Post by 405LAX on Jun 13, 2019 13:49:42 GMT -5
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Post by crawdaddy on Jun 13, 2019 14:12:23 GMT -5
Saw Zaun in Hermosa last year laughing and smiling with the Kona Deep water girl who was giving out free samples, and for every free sample she would give out she would say something like "try some Kona Deep water", and Zaun would laugh and say "it's not really from the Deep Ocean, it's all a scam". It was totally quirky and different and I don't think half the people really understood what he was getting at but I thought it was pretty witty actually. EEVP had a nice little tribute about him on their social media, I am not sure if it's surprising that AVP hasn't yet or maybe that makes sense too. Avp did today. I find it crazy Phil said he had depression 9 years ago which was after he won gold. Wonder what made that happen. Seems he would be on a high and was the best team in the world That's not how depression works.
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Post by dunninla3 on Jun 13, 2019 14:28:27 GMT -5
Avp did today. I find it crazy Phil said he had depression 9 years ago which was after he won gold. Wonder what made that happen. Seems he would be on a high and was the best team in the world Sometimes, when you accomplish a major goal...and it isn't what you expect, it can lead to depression..... And it could have been something that leads to depression in "everyday" life, death of a loved one, rocky relationship, financial issues, etc. You never know what someone else is going through... It's not about circumstances. It is MEDICAL. It is brain chemistry. As medical as psoriasis, attention deficit disorder, or arthritis. Some people's brains are genetically short of saratonin, which is the chemical that gives a person a feeling that "everything is OK". People are born with their brain chemistry, just as some people are born tall, and some people are born great at math without even trying, and some people are born with 40" verticals while others are 15". About 13% of the population in the US takes some sort of medication to increase usable seratonin, like Prozac, Lexipro, etc.. It is really critical that people understand that Depression IS NOT ABOUT CIRCUMSTANCES, it is about the chemistry inside the brain. That chemistry is the same whether you just failed a test or you just won the MBO. When a person is baseline depressed... that is they have much less usable seratonin than the average person, then circumstances can be a tipping point. But changing circumstances (like a great vacation, a great relationship, a big win, etc.) DOES NOT FIX insufficient seratonin. I am so sorry to read that Zaun had brain chemistry issues. I wish he had gotten some medical attention. And for all you reading this, if you have a baseline, wake up grumpy, most of the time, unexplainable depression, GO GET HELP. Medical help primarily, but also talk therapy. And I don't mean a psychiatrist. General practitioners, family doctors, internists, etc. are increasinly trained to treat baseline depression with medication, with often a referral to a psychiatrist to rule out other brain issues. But start with your regular doctor. If you wonder how I know about this stuff, I have a background in social services, my wife is a Psychologist and my daughter studied Neuroscience and is now a nurse.
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Post by 808empath on Jun 13, 2019 14:54:38 GMT -5
Sometimes, when you accomplish a major goal...and it isn't what you expect, it can lead to depression..... And it could have been something that leads to depression in "everyday" life, death of a loved one, rocky relationship, financial issues, etc. You never know what someone else is going through... It's not about circumstances. It is MEDICAL. It is brain chemistry. As medical as psoriasis, attention deficit disorder, or arthritis. Some people's brains are genetically short of saratonin, which is the chemical that gives a person a feeling that "everything is OK". About 13% of the population in the US takes some sort of medication to increase usable seratonin, like Prozac, Lexipro, etc.. It is really critical that people understand that Depression IS NOT ABOUT CIRCUMSTANCES, it is about the chemistry inside the brain. That chemistry is the same whether you just failed a test or you just won the MBO. When a person is baseline depressed... that is they have much less usable seratonin than the average person, then circumstances can be a tipping point. But changing circumstances (like a great vacation, a great relationship, a big win, etc.) DOES NOT FIX insufficient seratonin. I am so sorry to read that Zaun had brain chemistry issues. I wish he had gotten some medical attention. And for all you reading this, if you have a baseline, wake up grumpy, most of the time, unexplainable depression, GO GET HELP. Medical help primarily, but also talk therapy. And I don't mean a psychiatrist. General practitioners are increasinly trained to treat baseline depression with medication, with sometimes a referral to a psychiatrist. But start with your regular doctor. If you wonder how I know about this stuff, I have a background in social services, my wife is a Psychologist and my daughter studied Neuroscience and is now a nurse. This is so heartbreaking. Depression & suicide is something I'm very familiar with. I deal with it on the daily.
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Post by itsallrelative on Jun 13, 2019 14:58:28 GMT -5
Sometimes, when you accomplish a major goal...and it isn't what you expect, it can lead to depression..... And it could have been something that leads to depression in "everyday" life, death of a loved one, rocky relationship, financial issues, etc. You never know what someone else is going through... It's not about circumstances. It is MEDICAL. It is brain chemistry. As medical as psoriasis, attention deficit disorder, or arthritis. Some people's brains are genetically short of saratonin, which is the chemical that gives a person a feeling that "everything is OK". People are born with their brain chemistry, just as some people are born tall, and some people are born great at math without even trying, and some people are born with 40" verticals while others are 15". About 13% of the population in the US takes some sort of medication to increase usable seratonin, like Prozac, Lexipro, etc.. It is really critical that people understand that Depression IS NOT ABOUT CIRCUMSTANCES, it is about the chemistry inside the brain. That chemistry is the same whether you just failed a test or you just won the MBO. When a person is baseline depressed... that is they have much less usable seratonin than the average person, then circumstances can be a tipping point. But changing circumstances (like a great vacation, a great relationship, a big win, etc.) DOES NOT FIX insufficient seratonin. I am so sorry to read that Zaun had brain chemistry issues. I wish he had gotten some medical attention. And for all you reading this, if you have a baseline, wake up grumpy, most of the time, unexplainable depression, GO GET HELP. Medical help primarily, but also talk therapy. And I don't mean a psychiatrist. General practitioners, family doctors, internists, etc. are increasinly trained to treat baseline depression with medication, with often a referral to a psychiatrist to rule out other brain issues. But start with your regular doctor. If you wonder how I know about this stuff, I have a background in social services, my wife is a Psychologist and my daughter studied Neuroscience and is now a nurse. www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/what-causes-depression"It's often said that depression results from a chemical imbalance, but that figure of speech doesn't capture how complex the disease is. Research suggests that depression doesn't spring from simply having too much or too little of certain brain chemicals. Rather, there are many possible causes of depression, including faulty mood regulation by the brain, genetic vulnerability, stressful life events, medications, and medical problems. It's believed that several of these forces interact to bring on depression."
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Post by 405LAX on Jun 13, 2019 15:07:56 GMT -5
I think the last two years had to be extremely hard for Eric, really wanted to take his game to next level, worked hard to secure partners for international play only to have them not work out for one reason or another. Life is so strange how it plays out sometimes, I really thought Eric meant to be one of our top players when he burst onto the scene with Ed, all the things that happened or didn't happen leading to this horrific ending. Pure tragedy.
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Post by dunninla3 on Jun 13, 2019 15:23:02 GMT -5
www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/what-causes-depression"It's often said that depression results from a chemical imbalance, but that figure of speech doesn't capture how complex the disease is. Research suggests that depression doesn't spring from simply having too much or too little of certain brain chemicals. Rather, there are many possible causes of depression, including faulty mood regulation by the brain, genetic vulnerability, stressful life events, medications, and medical problems. It's believed that several of these forces interact to bring on depression." It is indeed complex, but "faulty mood regulation by the brain" is a chemical process, and "genetic vulnerability" also refers to a chemical imbalance. In any case, starting with your physician is the best course of action.
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