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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 12, 2019 11:09:18 GMT -5
Rettke has said she’s planning to try for Tokyo, but yeah, I see her as a long shot for that roster given everyone who is in front of her. I imagine Foluke and Adams may both retire after this quad, so that’ll make some room at the top. Rettke will have several years of pro ball and Team USA play under her belt at that point. I anticipate she’ll for sure make the Paris roster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 13:51:08 GMT -5
Why so much love for Thompson but not Plummer? Seems like a majority of people think Plummer is the best pin in the country. Why does one college senior make 2020 while the other does not have “enough time”? A few things to add on this question. Plummer joined the USA gym late in the season, well after Thompson and other collegians like Rettke and Lake. When she did join, she played mostly (exclusively?) at OH and her passing was not good. The matches I saw her in also weren't using the Mikasa international ball, so in theory it could get even worse on her. Yeah, she's a bit slow. Her game is size and power. That game works really, really well in the NCAA. You force me to choose between the 2 to play OH in an NCAA match, I am probably going to take Plummer. Her skill set is so overpowering in NCAA matches. For international competition, it's Thompson (and not particularly close right now). Thompson spent the entire season with Team USA as Opposite, and thrived. She stood out more to me at Opp for Team USA than I thought she does in the highlights I have seen for Cincinnati. Maybe it's just a difference of expectations. But, we have seen Thompson perform at the highest levels. We have not seen that from Plummer. We have not seen much of Plummer internationally at all. Even when she has been on a team, her playing time has been sparse. She was also pulled from a match/scrimmage or 2. I would have thought Plummer would have been trained at Opp as well, but so far it doesn't appear that she has been. I think she could be really good there, though. At least, when I see her play and she has a half rotation on the right side her attacks always look so natural and fluid. And many matches they've looked automatic. I wonder where a club will have her play assuming she finds a suitable spot in January. As to others, I agree that the list is basically what werka had spelled out. I will add Rettke to my list for now. I am hesitant to include Adams because she wasn't on any major rosters last summer. Whether that was by design or by performance, I don't know. Rettke is a longshot, for sure. My inclusion of her as an ongoing option is that she is a unicorn as an athletic 6'8" player. She brings things to the table nobody else has or can. While I would probably rather have my 3rd middle be a defensive stalwart like Dixon, if you think Foluke and Chiaka can hold down the fort and carry the load throughout the tournament, you can turn to Rettke for offense in certain matchups while still being good enough to spell either starter against softer competition. That is probably her path to the roster. If Foluke and Ogbogu were to get injured or be otherwise unavailable and you had to find 2 starters to carry the bulk of work, I think Dixon and Washington would be ahead of her. But, if Karch sees her has having value as an almost speciality player, you could see her in the mix. If nothing else, she can be a great cheerleader Carlini, Poulter, Hancock Drews, Thompson, Lowe MBH, Hill, Robinson, Larson, Foecke Akinradewo, Adams, Ogbogu, Dixon, Washington, Rettke JWO, Lake, Courtney
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Post by gmanoc on Dec 12, 2019 14:41:30 GMT -5
Rettke next Olympics, Lee barely made a roster this past summer. It’s funny how if you look back to the start of this thread ( June) to now, you see some differences emerge- obviously Lloyd was in the mix before and is not now. Drew’s and Thompson are now ahead of Lowe. Robinson is the interesting one because she does not want to be the Libero and has worked hard ( and successfully to be an OH). Foluke is a wild card too after just having a baby. My guess is Chiaka and Dixon over Washington ( she’s another next Olympics person.) It sure will be interesting. Iam sorry but Thompson is nowhere ready for Tokyo.. Both Lowe (Italy) and Drews (Japan) are having great seasons for there club teams and I doubt Karch will rely on an unproven player during the Olympics..
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Post by longhorn9214 on Dec 12, 2019 14:48:05 GMT -5
Rettke next Olympics, Lee barely made a roster this past summer. It’s funny how if you look back to the start of this thread ( June) to now, you see some differences emerge- obviously Lloyd was in the mix before and is not now. Drew’s and Thompson are now ahead of Lowe. Robinson is the interesting one because she does not want to be the Libero and has worked hard ( and successfully to be an OH). Foluke is a wild card too after just having a baby. My guess is Chiaka and Dixon over Washington ( she’s another next Olympics person.) It sure will be interesting. Iam sorry but Thompson is nowhere ready for Tokyo.. Both Lowe (Italy) and Drews (Japan) are having great seasons for there club teams and I doubt Karch will rely on an unproven player during the Olympics.. Unproven? She was chosen over Lowe for a couple tournament rosters. She did pretty well against good competition. The question will be if Lowe can get that spot back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 14:52:56 GMT -5
Rettke next Olympics, Lee barely made a roster this past summer. It’s funny how if you look back to the start of this thread ( June) to now, you see some differences emerge- obviously Lloyd was in the mix before and is not now. Drew’s and Thompson are now ahead of Lowe. Robinson is the interesting one because she does not want to be the Libero and has worked hard ( and successfully to be an OH). Foluke is a wild card too after just having a baby. My guess is Chiaka and Dixon over Washington ( she’s another next Olympics person.) It sure will be interesting. Iam sorry but Thompson is nowhere ready for Tokyo.. Both Lowe (Italy) and Drews (Japan) are having great seasons for there club teams and I doubt Karch will rely on an unproven player during the Olympics.. My only conclusion based on your comment is that you didn't watch any of the VNL/Olympic Qualification matches this past summer. Thompson looked absolutely ready for Tokyo. Maybe Lowe can overcome and go to Tokyo with Drews. But, at the end of the summer, Thompson was better. And I don't think you could find anyone who actually watched to disagree.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 12, 2019 14:56:25 GMT -5
Rettke next Olympics, Lee barely made a roster this past summer. It’s funny how if you look back to the start of this thread ( June) to now, you see some differences emerge- obviously Lloyd was in the mix before and is not now. Drew’s and Thompson are now ahead of Lowe. Robinson is the interesting one because she does not want to be the Libero and has worked hard ( and successfully to be an OH). Foluke is a wild card too after just having a baby. My guess is Chiaka and Dixon over Washington ( she’s another next Olympics person.) It sure will be interesting. Iam sorry but Thompson is nowhere ready for Tokyo.. Both Lowe (Italy) and Drews (Japan) are having great seasons for there club teams and I doubt Karch will rely on an unproven player during the Olympics.. Thompson has already proven herself in the VNL and the Olympic qualifier. She doesn't have pro experience yet, but that shouldn't keep her off the roster.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 12, 2019 15:04:30 GMT -5
Iam sorry but Thompson is nowhere ready for Tokyo.. Both Lowe (Italy) and Drews (Japan) are having great seasons for there club teams and I doubt Karch will rely on an unproven player during the Olympics.. My only conclusion based on your comment is that you didn't watch any of the VNL/Olympic Qualification matches this past summer. Thompson looked absolutely ready for Tokyo. Maybe Lowe can overcome and go to Tokyo with Drews. But, at the end of the summer, Thompson was better. And I don't think you could find anyone who actually watched to disagree. Thompson had a very good showing, but she also had the benefit of being an unknown quantity and having minimal scouting directed at her. She will have a window to prove herself again in a shortened pro season and in next's year VNL, which will likely be the deciding factor one way or the other.
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 12, 2019 17:04:59 GMT -5
I had seen that Annie Drews got a USA volleyball award last week, and I assumed, contrary to what I watched in the World Cup or VNL, that Drews must have outplayed Lowe. I didn't watch the whole thing but I did see Drews exhibit a deer in the headlights look in one match in VNL, and then Lowe came in and performed more confidently.
So... seeing this poll is currently 20 votes for Drews and 3 votes for Lowe, I wondered if my memory had become confused. So instead of finding those youtube matches and rewatching, I visited the FIVB website for the World Cup to look up the hitting stats.
Drews: 105/29/225 = .337 hitting efficiency Lowe: 75/18/146 = .390 hitting efficiency
So my questions are many
1) do people think hitting efficiency is not that important? 2) does Drews play much better defense than Lowe? 3) outside of World Cup, does Drews have better hitting numbers?
Incidentally, by way of comparison, here are the hitting efficiency numbers of the Opposites at the just concluded Club World Championships:
Egonu: .435 Haak: .422 Gibbemeyer .322 Boskovic .304 Fawcett: .246 Hooker: .254
At VNL 2019:
Drews: .322 Lowe: .320 Thompson: .290
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Post by bmg3 on Dec 12, 2019 17:12:49 GMT -5
Drews and Thompson will be in Tokyo.
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 12, 2019 17:23:25 GMT -5
^ OK if you say so.
I guess that means there will be no competition between Drews, Thompson and Lowe next year for the two spots?
Why would we want a less efficient hitter in preference to a more efficient hitter?
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Post by Disc808 on Dec 12, 2019 17:25:29 GMT -5
Seems like a majority of people think Plummer is the best pin in the country. Those people have not watched enough international volleyball... or Jordan Thompson. Agreed. Thompson is a beast. Plummer is also dominant at NCAA due to her sheer physicality and VB IQ, but she is just a different athlete than Thompson and that's okay. As someone who has been a fan of Plummer ever since her Tstreet days, I really do hope she successfully transitions from NCAA to international vb and represents the USA in the Olympics. However, I also think all the Plummer Stans don't need to be offended when people point out her limitations and challenges. Despite the relatively poor summer she had with USA, I also don't think it was realistic to expect such a quick transition knowing that she has some challenges with passing, stamina, and speed. The good thing is that she has a great mind for the game, a ton of room for growth, and has a wealth of experience from USA youth and beach programs. Both are fantastic players and will have exciting journeys to follow
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Post by Reach on Dec 12, 2019 17:25:49 GMT -5
Pretty sure Lowe started against lesser opponents which could suggest the higher hitting percentage.
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 12, 2019 17:32:10 GMT -5
^ that's a good point. I'd have to try to figure out their % when they played in the same match together... problem is it might not have been with the same setter.
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 12, 2019 17:56:04 GMT -5
I was unable to collect match by match stats for the FIVB World Cup b/c on a per-match basis, they only how spikes, but omit the errors category. Without errors you can't really know anything.
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Post by gmanoc on Dec 12, 2019 18:11:04 GMT -5
Iam sorry but Thompson is nowhere ready for Tokyo.. Both Lowe (Italy) and Drews (Japan) are having great seasons for there club teams and I doubt Karch will rely on an unproven player during the Olympics.. Thompson has already proven herself in the VNL and the Olympic qualifier. She doesn't have pro experience yet, but that shouldn't keep her off the roster. Thompson did have a good VNL tournament. One tournament does not give Thompson an automatic berth to the Olympics. Plus the VNL was weak this year. Like I said previously, rookies always do well in these tournaments ya because they are unknown, once teams scouted them and figure out there tendencies, most top teams will shut you down. Imagine if One I’d the opposites get I guess and you have to stray relying on a rookie to side out.
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