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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 2, 2019 1:00:36 GMT -5
Committee Chair Michelle Durban on the Last 4 in: Illinois: "We felt like the body of work in the Big 10 gave them the nod" VCU: "No losses under 100" Washington State: "Two big wins over Washington" Wright State: "had some good Top 50 wins" "Body of work in the Big Ten"?!?!?! One win over F-ing PURDUE?? Plus a loss to Northwestern. You have to be kidding me. Someone please tell me that they kidnapped the real committee and this charade will be all over soon. Did You see them at 25 and lose a few weeks straight and not move at all. Don’t think I’ve ever seen anything quite like it before
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Post by jayj79 on Dec 2, 2019 1:03:16 GMT -5
bluepenquin why does the committee go out of their way to give PSU an unfairly easy subregional?? There are plenty of drive in options. I just don’t get it. I totally agree. You might as well put them in the round of 16. What a totally unfair selection they been handed. happens just about every year.
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Post by TuesdayGone on Dec 2, 2019 1:52:56 GMT -5
Wisconsin got hosed with UCLA opening weekend.
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Post by jwvolley on Dec 2, 2019 2:00:44 GMT -5
Wisconsin got hosed with UCLA opening weekend. Haha can't wait to watch that
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 2, 2019 2:01:07 GMT -5
I mean — if VCU got in — why not South Dakota at that point? VCU had enough juice to jump about 10 spots? Also — if the committee chair could not get past 0 Top 50 wins — why did High Point get a pass in 2017? The only team in the past 20 years to get in with 0 T50 wins. It was shady — convinced High Point was in to justify LSU complete bull crap.
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Post by n00b on Dec 2, 2019 2:07:54 GMT -5
bluepenquin why does the committee go out of their way to give PSU an unfairly easy subregional?? There are plenty of drive in options. I just don’t get it. Having a bad 3 seed doesn’t really make it any easier on the 1 seed. Helps Towson a lot obviously. But having a Towson-Dayton or Towson-VCU opening round game doesn’t really make Penn States route tougher than it is now. Nobody can drive in and make Penn St less than 95% to advance, so the margins were talking about are very slim.
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Post by jayj79 on Dec 2, 2019 2:13:04 GMT -5
Wisconsin got hosed with UCLA opening weekend. if you're a legit top 4 seed, you should be able to handle an 18-11 team from outside the top 25
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Post by trojansc on Dec 2, 2019 5:33:59 GMT -5
I can agree with this. There are going to be a ton of disagreements (I have mine). VCU is the real headscratcher and the chairpersons reason for including them is nonsensible. I think the rest of it is just random and luck of the draw. VCU being in is a head-scratcher, but Cal being out is not that big of a snub for me. Not a good enough RPI. Bad finish. Bad non-conference scheduling. Was Cal's non-conference scheduling really that bad -- or was it bad luck? Scheduling Colorado State, Oklahoma, UNLV, North Carolina, UC Irvine and Saint Mary's(x2) sounded alot better coming into 2019 than it does on paper now. UNLV had the Hayden injury -- UCI was a mess despite talent and potential. Saint Mary's took a huge drop from their 2018 level. The North Dakota State & Buffalo matches are kind of puzzling, though. But -- only two cupcakes in a non-conference schedule is not that bad, especially for teams in the PAC, B1G, SEC, Big-12, etc. Anyway - this ended up putting Cal's non-conference strength of schedule at 141. Pretty rough -- and not nearly what you'd expect from a schedule of those teams. Now look at someone like Temple. Temple's non-conference strength of schedule is close to 100 spots better than Cal's at 49. Temple's opponents were: American, Villanova, Princeton, Winthrop, Ohio, Fairfield, Columbia, Lehigh, Radford, Lafayette, and UMBC. This part of my issue with the over-reliance on RPI. If we could do a strength of schedule ranking based on Pablo -- I imagine California and Temple's strength-of-schedules would change drastically. Temple was actually being predicted to be a bubble-team when bluepenquin's RPI futures were done after the non-conference. Temple was 9-2 against this suggested Top 50 non-conference schedule. They then went 3-13 in the AAC. If Cal had Temple's non-conference schedule and went 9-2 they would be in a much better position than an undefeated non-conference schedule that included wins over Colorado State and Oklahoma. VCU's best non-conference win was Colgate and that was good enough to get them in. Ugh.
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Post by trojansc on Dec 2, 2019 5:45:39 GMT -5
Ok. Here are Temple and Cal's non-conference schedules listed by Pablo Rank.
Temple's non-conference schedule Ranked #49 by RPI
Pablo Rankings 70 Princeton 73 Villanova 77 American 124 Ohio 134 Winthrop 177 Fairfield 229 Columbia 257 Lehigh 262 Radford 272 UMBC 296 Lafayette
California's non-conference schedule Ranked #141 by RPI
Pablo Rankings 16 Colorado State 33 Oklahoma 57 North Carolina 95 UNLV 97 Saint Mary's 97 Saint Mary's 174 Buffalo 193 North Dakota State 212 UC Irvine 265 Chicago State
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 2, 2019 16:21:57 GMT -5
^
Cal's average ranking from that list is 121. Temple's average ranking form that list is 179.
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Post by TuesdayGone on Dec 2, 2019 16:24:00 GMT -5
Wisconsin got hosed with UCLA opening weekend. if you're a legit top 4 seed, you should be able to handle an 18-11 team from outside the top 25 They are 15th in country in the only poll that counts Wisconsin is 2 That means UCLA will win some matches out of 10 That is a bad draw for Wisconsin. Or do you not understand that the best team doesn’t always win.
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Post by trojansc on Dec 2, 2019 16:26:55 GMT -5
^ Cal's average ranking from that list is 121. Temple's average ranking form that list is 179. Huge discrepancy when RPI says Temple's S.O.S is 100 spots better than Cal. But people think west-coast RPI bias doesn't exist. Here it is in black and white!
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 2, 2019 16:27:01 GMT -5
What is the most competitive sub regional from top to bottom of the four teams ?? I'm not sure how the poster is determining competitiveness, but I would suggest the RPI or Pablo rankings of the 3rd and 4th teams in the group of 4 is essentially irrelevant. I say the most competitive is defined by the difference between the Host's RPI and the 2nd highest team's RPI. For example if Wisconsin is RPI 5, and UCLA is RPI 26, then they are 21 RPI positions apart, making it not greatly competitive. One would expect to find RPI differntials of under 10 for some hosts, for example those with seeding 12-16. That would make those the most competitive.
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 2, 2019 16:29:22 GMT -5
PS. I haven't read all the threads yet.
Did anyone list final RPI and seedings of the top 16 seeds side by side?
And has anyone listed the 16 subregionals by team by RPI?
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Post by tomclen on Dec 2, 2019 16:32:26 GMT -5
PS. I haven't read all the threads yet. Did anyone list final RPI and seedings of the top 16 seeds side by side? And has anyone listed the 16 subregionals by team by RPI? We have been waiting for you to do that. Thanks. What time do you expect to conclude?
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