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Post by volleyguy on Dec 8, 2019 12:40:48 GMT -5
It kind of sounds like we're coming to a consensus. It was a violation of perhaps several rules. It was a breakdown in normal floor security protocol. There doesn't seem to be any explicitly defined penalty. I tend to agree with the people who are saying they expect the NCAA to send out notices to all the teams (and host facilities) reminding them that this is not allowed. It isn't clear that it was a violation of any rule. This particular situation touched on a grey area in several rules or protocols. The line between giving a motivational speech and tactical advice is hard to define, but even more so without knowing exactly what she said. Determining that she was acting as an additional coach in the situation described is possible, but not really plausible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 12:41:32 GMT -5
People are not good with summaries. Cliff does a decent job.
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Post by yourmom on Dec 8, 2019 13:06:44 GMT -5
Why do we forgot context. Do I have to list out her accolades every single time? She is a passionate alumni of this team. I'm not denying that but there are lots of schools with lots of accomplished, passionate alumni. NCAA doesn't give them special consideration. 1) The only people allowed in the bench area during an NCAA tournament match are those on the bench list. If a school wants the AD on the bench list, they need to kick somebody else off. If the school wants an accomplished, passionate alumni on the bench list, they need to kick somebody off. NCAA is very strict on this and rostered players are sent to the stands all the time because of it. 3) The only people allowed to give tactical instruction are designated coaches. If the school wants her to be a designated coach, they need to replace one of the other coaches. Again, NCAA is very strict on this - e.g. Director of Ops is not allowed to give tactical advise to players. I know. I have coached in the tournament. None of that matters in regards to your comment about building a bigger bench for other passionate alumni. Your comment alluded that she just some random person who graduated from UT and not who she was in relation the program.
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Post by dodger on Dec 8, 2019 13:11:20 GMT -5
Sitting at the scorers table is an NCAA rep. There is one at each site: they hold pre-match meetings with each team; they attend each practice: of each team: they monitor all the ncaa guidelines and rules: for the event: they also monitor the host. Also sitting with the ncaa rep is a rep,(usually) AD type, feom both schools, sitting with NCAA rep. I have been part of more than 30 ncaa championship events: and i can tell you that the ncaa rep will be reprimanded, the host will be reprimanded, the coaches will be reprimanded, and it might effect ability of texas to host in future. As silly as it seems to some of you it was bad form for her to join the team on the sideline: and she did “wave” assistant coach away so she could have the team to herself and he did walk away when she waved him off!! And for sure for those who know saw it it added flavor and a good entertainment value to the telecast and event !!
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Post by sevb on Dec 8, 2019 13:14:47 GMT -5
Sitting at the scorers table is an NCAA rep. There is one at each site: they hold pre-match meetings with each team; they attend each practice: of each team: they monitor all the ncaa guidelines and rules: for the event: they also monitor the host. Also sitting with the ncaa rep is a rep,(usually) AD type, feom both schools, sitting with NCAA rep. I have been part of more than 30 ncaa championship events: and i can tell you that the ncaa rep will be reprimanded, the host will be reprimanded, the coaches will be reprimanded, and it might effect ability of texas to host in future. As silly as it seems to some of you it was bad form for her to join the team on the sideline: and she did “wave” assistant coach away so she could have the team to herself and he did walk away when she waved him off!! And for sure for those who know saw it it added flavor and a good entertainment value to the telecast and event !! After some digging... I agree that there will be consequences and the powers that be acknowledge it being inappropriate
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Post by tommyboy on Dec 8, 2019 13:21:15 GMT -5
Definitely against NCAA protocol and there should be consequences. Like others have said, the NCAA is very strict about who is allowed on the bench during the tournament and she was, I'm assuming, not on the pre-match list. And for those saying it's not a big deal, I imagine UCSB would disagree. If it wasn't a big deal then why would Texas coaches allow the situation? They knew it wasn't legal as every coach that has coached in the tournament does, but they needed a spark and she provided it.
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Post by tempesthorn on Dec 8, 2019 13:23:13 GMT -5
Goldy Gopher was not even allowed out of a taped area -- probably 8x15' or so -- last night (nor were the Creighton cheerleaders). There is no way this was legal. But, as others have said, that's not the interesting part of this story. The interesting part is Elliot et al allowing it. But I see that Elliot is still occupied trying to get the crowd to make more noise. He's busy with his pom poms. This occurred during intermission during sets not during the match or during a timeout. At our venue they pulled a random fan from the bleachers to get out on the middle of the court and guess the emoji movie title during those times. Cheerleaders were also out on the court during timeouts. Interesting that cheerleaders in Minneapolis weren't allowed out of their taped area to cheer during timeouts and intermissions. We had a lot of violations going on all weekend. But hey I hate it when context gets in the way of a good anti-Texas post by the heralded Big 10 experts, so carry on.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 8, 2019 13:28:05 GMT -5
I'm not denying that but there are lots of schools with lots of accomplished, passionate alumni. NCAA doesn't give them special consideration. 1) The only people allowed in the bench area during an NCAA tournament match are those on the bench list. If a school wants the AD on the bench list, they need to kick somebody else off. If the school wants an accomplished, passionate alumni on the bench list, they need to kick somebody off. NCAA is very strict on this and rostered players are sent to the stands all the time because of it. 3) The only people allowed to give tactical instruction are designated coaches. If the school wants her to be a designated coach, they need to replace one of the other coaches. Again, NCAA is very strict on this - e.g. Director of Ops is not allowed to give tactical advise to players. I know. I have coached in the tournament. None of that matters in regards to your comment about building a bigger bench for other passionate alumni. Your comment alluded that she just some random person who graduated from UT and not who she was in relation the program. If you coached in the tournament you should know then, that what she did was not appropriate. But with your constant posts of Khat Bell's credentials and her affiliation with the program you seem to be missing the whole point of this. She was a fan in the stands plain and simple, it doesn't matter her affiliation with the program, it doesn't matter her credentials, it doesn't matter if she is a passionate alumni when it comes down to it she is just like any other fan in the stands...she had no business coming from the stands and addressing the team. It seems as if you are trying to make all kind of excuses to okay her behavior because you keep saying the same stuff over and over again...that she is not just a random fan, she has a certain affiliation with the program, she has all these credentials. Who cares about all of that it doesn't make what she did right. She is not listed as a coach or on the roster, therefore she has no business coming out from the stands to address the team.
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 8, 2019 13:49:00 GMT -5
Did someone get punched in the face? Was there blood spillage? No? Then it’s not a controversy. Wake me when chairs are thrown.
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Post by staticb on Dec 8, 2019 13:50:19 GMT -5
Can someone message an press member from that region and find out if it was an ncaa violation and/or if the NCAA even cares?
(Yes it seems like it was against the rules but I’m not sure it deserves any penalty other than a stern lecture. Although I think a restraining order keeping Bell away from the regionals would also be hilarious)
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Post by bigfan on Dec 8, 2019 13:51:23 GMT -5
I am hearing things
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 8, 2019 13:52:25 GMT -5
Goldy Gopher was not even allowed out of a taped area -- probably 8x15' or so -- last night (nor were the Creighton cheerleaders). There is no way this was legal. But, as others have said, that's not the interesting part of this story. The interesting part is Elliot et al allowing it. But I see that Elliot is still occupied trying to get the crowd to make more noise. He's busy with his pom poms. This occurred during intermission during sets not during the match or during a timeout. At our venue they pulled a random fan from the bleachers to get out on the middle of the court and guess the emoji movie title during those times. Cheerleaders were also out on the court during timeouts. Interesting that cheerleaders in Minneapolis weren't allowed out of their taped area to cheer during timeouts and intermissions. We had a lot of violations going on all weekend. But hey I hate it when context gets in the way of a good anti-Texas post by the heralded Big 10 experts, so carry on. It happened during a match. With all due respect the context people are giving simply doesn’t matter. It’s not very good judgement on her part, and if Texas coaches did see it, bad judgement to not ask her to stop and return to seat. Listen, it wasn’t a federal offense, I’m sure she meant well, but this should t have happened, and it should be addressed.
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Post by wintergreen on Dec 8, 2019 13:53:28 GMT -5
There is a rule but no precedent has been set for the violation.
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Post by sevb on Dec 8, 2019 13:56:53 GMT -5
There is a rule but no precedent has been set for the violation. That's because the NCAA has always been reactive...
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 8, 2019 13:59:40 GMT -5
In my opinion I think it’s great former alum motivating a team. Although if you need that in tourny you may have bigger problems. But if so I think it should be relegated to prematch and post. Think it get a little stupid if u constantly had teams trotting out former alum to the court during a match. Inspiring from the stands is good enough. Prob shouldn’t have former players comming on court during game. I mean I’d love to see all the former psu greats, but there has to be a line in my opinion. If she really wants to be on sideline then become a coach or join the staff but can’t just have tons of different people comming on floor across country. And khat bell. Way to stay relevant. Pshhh. Give me Haley eckerman or cat McCoy or prob the best oh ever destinee hooker, but khat bell. Sorry had to do it. Been off game lately 😁😁😁😛
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