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Post by oldmanvb on Mar 30, 2021 16:51:29 GMT -5
Also, a lot of amazing volleyball players on that list. What a pleasure to watch them play.
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Post by northwoods on Mar 30, 2021 16:54:02 GMT -5
As I understand, this year does not count against four years in five. I don’t know if extending scholarships for graduated seniors increases the number of scholarships available for a team. If Cooney stays, for example, does that give Illinois 13 volleyball scholarships? Maybe not significant in volleyball, but over 15 Illini football players are returning who otherwise would be out of eligibility. Does that take away from the number of scholarships available to freshmen? A large number of athletes otherwise out of eligibility are transferring to other schools to play. What does that do to scholarship numbers? UofIlliniVBFan asked about numbers for practice scrimmages. Most schools use male student managers to fill out those scrimmages. My son-in-law was a women’s volleyball manager at an SEC school. A big part of his job was to practice with the team. Players won’t start hitting the transfer portal until after the season. That is when recruiting will go up for grabs. The athletic department can fund additional scholarships to keep their seniors next year...or not. Minnesota AD initially came out with only returning football seniors would get their scholarships extended, although he has not followed up on that recently. Most AD’s have not chimed in on the issue.
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Post by jgoodson on Mar 30, 2021 17:24:01 GMT -5
This is a link to an article from ESPN from last August that mentions vball. Some excerpts from the article are below. The eligibility is one thing. Scholarships another. I would guess that the better players are going to have access to a scholarship somehow. The specifics I am unsure of. www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29712267/ncaa-votes-give-extra-year-eligibility-division-fall-athletesNCAA votes to give extra year of eligibility to Division I fall athletes Heather Dinich Aug 21, 2020 The NCAA Division I board of directors voted Friday to give all fall sport student-athletes an additional year of eligibility and an additional year to complete it through a blanket waiver. The move eliminates a cloud of uncertainty for athletes in fall sports whose seasons have been postponed or could be disrupted because of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, as is still a possibility with college football in six FBS conferences. West Virginia athletic director Shane Lyons, who is the chair of the Football Oversight Committee, said the top question he has received from student-athletes has been regarding their eligibility during a season of uncertainty. "By providing clarity and removing that uncertainty from their minds is something that's going to be very beneficial as we move forward," Lyons said. "Not having a normal season, not having that normal 20 games in soccer, or 28 matches in volleyball, and even football not sure what that season's going to look like, that was the No. 1 concern that the student-athletes had, was the eligibility piece." Although Lyons called it a win for the student-athletes, he acknowledged that it could be difficult to manage scholarships and rosters of future teams. "We have to look at what was right for the student-athlete for this situation," Lyons said. "The eligibility piece, without question in my mind, this is a win for them. As administrators, as coaches, we're going to have to deal with a potential backlog on the back end, but I'm very confident that we've done it in other situations in a yearly basis. It may be greater numbers, but we can work through that with the normal attrition you have on your rosters, as well as discussions with athletes in the coming years about their playing time and their interest in potentially transferring to other institutions.
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Post by oldmanvb on Mar 30, 2021 17:26:44 GMT -5
He may have problems with only male football players getting an additional scholarship year. Just a guess. Also guessing he did not talk to university lawyers before the statement.
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Post by exit237a on Mar 30, 2021 22:28:51 GMT -5
Not sure about Bruder, or anyone else for that matter. Is the timing of the announcement of someone’s signing always indicative as to whether they’re on scholarship? Folks announced on national signing day are scholarship while folks announced later are walk-on?
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Post by ilalum92 on Mar 31, 2021 0:30:53 GMT -5
Not sure about Bruder, or anyone else for that matter. Is the timing of the announcement of someone’s signing always indicative as to whether they’re on scholarship? Folks announced on national signing day are scholarship while folks announced later are walk-on? Cooney & Holliwelll were on scholie. Bruder was a walk on. Recruits announced on signing day usually are on scholie. Recruits announced in the winter/spring are walk ons and usually have a financial aid package. Cooney would be the only one who we could really use in the Fall. Mosher can play back up setter to Brown. I would rather Tamas hit the transfer market for another OH over Holliwell.
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Post by Friday on Mar 31, 2021 13:12:27 GMT -5
And really the players only need an additional scholarship for the fall semester - not the whole year.
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Post by ilalum92 on Mar 31, 2021 15:51:03 GMT -5
And really the players only need an additional scholarship for the fall semester - not the whole year. Scholarships, from my understanding, are 4 year offers. Not sure if they could even offer semester scholarships.
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Post by oldmanvb on Mar 31, 2021 20:23:38 GMT -5
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I cannot find anything that answers the basic question of what the NCAA intends to do about maximum scholarship numbers. The NCAA saying it is up to the schools does not answer the question. If Megan decides to return, does Illinois get 12 scholarships including hers or 12 scholarships plus a senior returnee who doesn't count against scholarship limits. I hope it is my bad research and someone out there is providing guidance. Otherwise someone who thinks they have a scholarship may be badly burned.
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Post by makman2987 on Mar 31, 2021 20:55:59 GMT -5
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I cannot find anything that answers the basic question of what the NCAA intends to do about maximum scholarship numbers. The NCAA saying it is up to the schools does not answer the question. If Megan decides to return, does Illinois get 12 scholarships including hers or 12 scholarships plus a senior returnee who doesn't count against scholarship limits. I hope it is my bad research and someone out there is providing guidance. Otherwise someone who thinks they have a scholarship may be badly burned. [Back to Top^ What about athletic scholarships? There are two factors that control the availability of scholarships at the D1 and D2 levels. The NCAA scholarship limits per sport and whether or not the school is fully funded. For D1 fall sports, seniors who have scholarships and who will be using the extra year of eligibility will not count against the team’s scholarship limit for the 2021-22 season. The D2 level has not provided any waivers, so there is no potential for D2 programs to offer additional scholarship money for fall sports recruits. This does not mean a college will go over the limit of maximum scholarships. Each school will decide how many scholarships they can fund for each team depending on their budget. In a recent survey, 80% of college coaches said they do not plan on cutting scholarships as part of their budget cutting measures. For recruits pursuing an athletic scholarship, hopefully this means the maximum, and possibly over the maximum number of scholarships, will be available for the 2021-22 school year. Here is an example of how this could play out for a college team: A fully funded NCAA D1 FBS football team has a maximum of 85 scholarships. All D1 FBS scholarships are full-rides. For the 2020-21 season, the team has 25 seniors on scholarship. Let’s say all of these seniors get an extra year of eligibility. For the 2021-22 school year, this program could bring back up to 25 seniors and all of those seniors are eligible to keep their scholarships. If the school is able to fund the maximum number of scholarships it can for the 2021-22 school year, they could have 110 athletes on scholarships. That means 25 returning seniors and 85 others. The determining factor is whether or not a school can afford to give scholarships over the maximum.
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Post by oldmanvb on Mar 31, 2021 22:03:09 GMT -5
Thanks. The cynic in me believes that if someone gets the short end of the stick it will be the non-star, non-revenue sport athlete. Hopefully that does not happen.
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Post by jgoodson on Mar 31, 2021 23:17:52 GMT -5
In a covid-19 world I see no reason why a one semester scholarship cannot be offered. The student would get a makeup on the diminished vball experience during the 2020-21 academic year and the full academic experience originally planned for plus a bonus semester. Seems like a good deal to me. As for the funding part, this link is in regard to what was done for spring sports. Donor funds were raised. For vball, there would be two scholarships to raise money for (if both chose to return). That would be a modest amount of money. fightingillini.com/news/2020/6/24/mens-golf-illinois-athletics-donors-make-senior-scholarships-possible.aspxAfter the deluge of bad publicity that the NCAA received from their unequal treatment of female athletes for the NCAA basketball tournament, I think a Big Ten school would be tone deaf to provide Covid extension scholarships for football players only. I have seen no indication that is what is planned at Illinois. I would be shocked if the vball players making decisions about returning do not know the specifics of the scholarship situation awaiting them.
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Post by ilalum92 on Apr 1, 2021 11:22:42 GMT -5
hey everyone, so the Wisc vs NU & NU vs someone else were ruled forfeits as the matches were cancelled due to NON COVID reasons. Both teams got to add 2-0 to their record. I wonder if ILLINOIS will get the same???
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Post by exit237a on Apr 1, 2021 12:34:21 GMT -5
hey everyone, so the Wisc vs NU & NU vs someone else were ruled forfeits as the matches were cancelled due to NON COVID reasons. Both teams got to add 2-0 to their record. I wonder if ILLINOIS will get the same??? Here's a comparison of the tweets Northwestern put out for the Wisconsin matches and the Illinois matches. The language they used differs between the two a little but who knows? I'm just sad those matches with our only in-state conference rival didn't happen. I was at the season finale in 2019 at Northwestern's home arena- it's really nice in there! I dread our potential move into a cavernous hockey arena.
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Post by Friday on Apr 1, 2021 13:34:32 GMT -5
And really the players only need an additional scholarship for the fall semester - not the whole year. Scholarships, from my understanding, are 4 year offers. Not sure if they could even offer semester scholarships. They are not. Players can get 1 year, 2 year, whatever the staff wants. Many of our players are not on 4 year scholarships.
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