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Post by hbmb10k on Aug 30, 2022 23:51:27 GMT -5
Texas could have a very good beach program extremely quickly if they hired a coach who knew how to use the transfer portal initially for a quick boost and leadership. Texas has so many athletes from the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio (and to a lesser degree Houston) that have done well at the collegiate level and continues to grow. I think every program at the top level has Texas players on it and the only current strong program in Texas is TCU and that happened in a hurry once they got a coach who could recruit. You have one of the best players to ever play, Adam Johnson, who lives in Austin. Don't have to look far. I don't think Elliot will be able to get away with a Nebraska style beach program oriented towards his indoor team. I know he's sold it this way to his AD, but when he realizes he's able to recruit better beach talent than USC/UCLA (who split the best CA players) those indoor players will become less common on the roster. Austin is just too good at town to pass up when you're 19 years old. And for anyone who's familiar with junior beach volleyball Texas arguably surpassed California in quality of players a few years ago.
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Post by hbmb10k on Aug 31, 2022 0:04:14 GMT -5
Another thing about UT. You can't get an automatic admission unless you're in the top 4% of your class. So what did the wealthy parents of talented athletic girls do? They enrolled them in the niche sport of rowing. Once it caught on that this was a back door into the school, the rowing program became one of the top programs in the nation. Beach volleyball will have the same appeal. I'd expect many prominent indoor juniors to start looking at beach much more seriously trying to gain admission to UT.
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Post by hbmb10k on Aug 31, 2022 0:11:21 GMT -5
Elliott might be able to use beach volleyball as a way to extend practice time and skills for the indoor players for a limited amount of time - say, the first two years. That isn't something Texas as an athletic department or an institution would put up with for very long. If Texas competes in something, they want to compete for national championships. I realize in football it doesn't look like they're trying very hard, but that's more about incompetence than desire. Well before the 2025 season I would expect Texas to field an independent beach staff, with a full complement of players with scholarships. But between now and when that happens, there may be some competitive advantages for the indoor program of the sort that Nebraska currently enjoys. Unless Texas makes some kind of ridiculous home run hire on the coaching front, I would imagine it will take some time to get the program up to speed, and if they make a poor hire initially at the head coach position, it extends the timeline. But eventually Texas will expect to compete at the upper tier of the sport. Whether it happens or not is a combination of factors, but that will be the goal. If they do hire a beach coach I would bet money it would be the current coach at TCU or LSU.
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Post by beachbum50 on Aug 31, 2022 1:02:46 GMT -5
There could be coaches who have done as well as the coaches at TCU or LSU. LSU could possibly get athletes as good as Texas now. He has gotten great talent and can’t seem to get to the top echelon. Gutierrez at TCU has done a great turnaround in his few years there but the coaches at Grand Canyon and LMU and even Georgia State have built great programs at less ideal schools and could build a team quickly. They have proven ability. If you want a great former player with local roots the first person I would talk to is Adam Johnson. He ran the Lone Star beach program for HIgh performance for years. A hall of famer who lives in Austin.
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Post by hbmb10k on Aug 31, 2022 9:52:10 GMT -5
There could be coaches who have done as well as the coaches at TCU or LSU. LSU could possibly get athletes as good as Texas now. He has gotten great talent and can’t seem to get to the top echelon. Gutierrez at TCU has done a great turnaround in his few years there but the coaches at Grand Canyon and LMU and even Georgia State have built great programs at less ideal schools and could build a team quickly. They have proven ability. If you want a great former player with local roots the first person I would talk to is Adam Johnson. He ran the Lone Star beach program for HIgh performance for years. A hall of famer who lives in Austin. Louisiana is too backwards when it comes to out of state athletes. They don't grant neighboring southern states out of state tuition like FSU does, so they aren't in the running for talent even though the coach is top rate. Academically, it's a low ranked party school. AJ is a hall of famer for sure, but I believe he's too blunt to make it as a coach.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Aug 31, 2022 9:59:22 GMT -5
There could be coaches who have done as well as the coaches at TCU or LSU. LSU could possibly get athletes as good as Texas now. He has gotten great talent and can’t seem to get to the top echelon. Gutierrez at TCU has done a great turnaround in his few years there but the coaches at Grand Canyon and LMU and even Georgia State have built great programs at less ideal schools and could build a team quickly. They have proven ability. If you want a great former player with local roots the first person I would talk to is Adam Johnson. He ran the Lone Star beach program for HIgh performance for years. A hall of famer who lives in Austin. Louisiana is too backwards when it comes to out of state athletes. They don't grant neighboring southern states out of state tuition like FSU does, so they aren't in the running for talent even though the coach is top rate. Academically, it's a low ranked party school. AJ is a hall of famer for sure, but I believe he's too blunt to make it as a coach. If your goal is to succeed at the highest level of a collegiate sport, your concern is not at all if it is a top ranked party school....and if it is, your goal is not to succeed at the highest level of collegiate sports. If you are a great coach you can adapt, as long as that person isn't verbally or physically abusive to their athletes and can point to a certain about of success within their style, you will absolutely find a group of recruits that have the same desires as you and enjoy the way you coach.
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Post by sonofdogman on Aug 31, 2022 13:53:36 GMT -5
I dont think an athlete can play indoor if they are on a beach scholarship (because of the sport hierarchy thing). So they're not gaining an edge that way (unless it can convince someone to walk on, like Line Andersson at Stanford) but no one is going to Nebraska for beach lol. And no. I dont think Cook would claim to either lol No, but they would go there for a partial scholarship in beach to sit on the bench and wait their turn while getting a discounted education from Nebraska or Texas... If you receive beach money, you cannot sit on the indoor bench. The rules were made to specifically prevent any of the rich schools from stockpiling extra indoor athletes on beach rosters.
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Post by beachbum50 on Aug 31, 2022 14:15:29 GMT -5
Yes. If you get beach money you cannot play indoor. If you get indoor money, you can play beach. Universities I believe are allowed up to 6 scholarships that can be divided any way they choose for beach and I believe that if a university does not have a court program the university is allowed up to 8 scholarships but I am not positive about that last statement.
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Post by beachcomber on Aug 31, 2022 15:29:40 GMT -5
Schools that fully fund their beach program get 6 scholarships to split as they like. If the program is only partially funded (which is the case for many D1 teams), it's only two scholarships.
Also, I have seen Nebraska play recently. They were terrible and they didn't care. I hope that's not the way UT goes with this.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 31, 2022 16:17:06 GMT -5
Yes. If you get beach money you cannot play indoor. If you get indoor money, you can play beach. Universities I believe are allowed up to 6 scholarships that can be divided any way they choose for beach and I believe that if a university does not have a court program the university is allowed up to 8 scholarships but I am not positive about that last statement. You're correct about the 8 scholarships for schools without indoors (I'm not sure any of those exist though). Otherwise, 6 equivalency scholarships that can be split among a maximum of 14 players. It took a little sorting out in the early days of the sport, but the rules were tweaked enough to make it very difficult for indoor programs to stash players on the beach team - to the disappointment of a couple of very well known indoor coaches (not Cook) who planned to do exactly that...
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Post by moderndaycoach on Aug 31, 2022 16:24:10 GMT -5
Yes. If you get beach money you cannot play indoor. If you get indoor money, you can play beach. Universities I believe are allowed up to 6 scholarships that can be divided any way they choose for beach and I believe that if a university does not have a court program the university is allowed up to 8 scholarships but I am not positive about that last statement. You're correct about the 8 scholarships for schools without indoors (I'm not sure any of those exist though). Otherwise, 6 equivalency scholarships that can be split among a maximum of 14 players. It took a little sorting out in the early days of the sport, but the rules were tweaked enough to make it very difficult for indoor programs to stash players on the beach team - to the disappointment of a couple of very well known indoor coaches (not Cook) who planned to do exactly that... But it was initially done in the beginning by some coaches, no?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 31, 2022 17:07:35 GMT -5
You're correct about the 8 scholarships for schools without indoors (I'm not sure any of those exist though). Otherwise, 6 equivalency scholarships that can be split among a maximum of 14 players. It took a little sorting out in the early days of the sport, but the rules were tweaked enough to make it very difficult for indoor programs to stash players on the beach team - to the disappointment of a couple of very well known indoor coaches (not Cook) who planned to do exactly that... But it was initially done in the beginning by some coaches, no? IIRC, there were a couple, give or take, who had that in mind. After the first season all that pretty much fell to the wayside - although, this all happened over a decade ago (!!), so my memory may not be 100%. But I knew two coaches in particular who were thinking they could get what amounted to like 16 indoor scholarships out of this…
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Post by katn on May 16, 2023 18:53:32 GMT -5
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Post by vballfanattic on May 16, 2023 18:57:32 GMT -5
Expecting a lot of transfer portal movement
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Post by beachindoor on May 16, 2023 19:16:58 GMT -5
Omg this is crazy lmao. I thought he loved UCLA. Guess it was an offer he couldn’t turn down.
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