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Post by OHVBKING on May 2, 2024 11:35:39 GMT -5
In the end USAV won’t move to March as it would be less money for clubs. Early March JVA Worlds timing would be great but there’s not a lot of good competition and Louisville is not easy to get to so I don’t see that being an option. The top clubs want to play top competition and to do that they have to stick w/ USAV and in the end it is the only National Championship that counts. I don't agree with that at all. USAV Nationals is a very good event, but there are plenty of good clubs that skip it as well.
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Post by volley4ever on May 2, 2024 12:01:07 GMT -5
In the end USAV won’t move to March as it would be less money for clubs. Early March JVA Worlds timing would be great but there’s not a lot of good competition and Louisville is not easy to get to so I don’t see that being an option. The top clubs want to play top competition and to do that they have to stick w/ USAV and in the end it is the only National Championship that counts. I don't agree with that at all. USAV Nationals is a very good event, but there are plenty of good clubs that skip it as well. Teams skip it because they didn’t get the bid to Open or USA and have to settle for their American bid or whatever else. USAV is the premier national championship in club, AAU is just a solid back-up plan.
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Post by hgavball on May 2, 2024 13:20:56 GMT -5
First round of at-large bids should have been sent out yesterday, correct? Anyone hear anything for any of the age groups yet? Don't think this has happened yet. The qualifier manual says at large teams will be released no later than the second Friday after the last qualifier. The final qualifiers were this past weekend, which gives them all the way until May 10th to notify all teams.
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Post by redcard on May 2, 2024 18:26:23 GMT -5
I don't agree with that at all. USAV Nationals is a very good event, but there are plenty of good clubs that skip it as well. Teams skip it because they didn’t get the bid to Open or USA and have to settle for their American bid or whatever else. USAV is the premier national championship in club, AAU is just a solid back-up plan. This is partially true, especially in the 18s. 15’s, 16’s and 17’s have a lot of solid teams who also go on to play at USAV. I think the real premier event is at triple crown. Still a few big clubs not attending that yet. I thought the UA championships was also interesting for the 18s with some great clubs. I could see that possibly replacing 18O at AAUs.
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Post by VBallFan on May 2, 2024 20:32:48 GMT -5
No doubt triple crown is the true national championship, if that tourney was later in season there would be no reason to attend USAV.
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Post by 4theloveofvb on May 2, 2024 21:49:38 GMT -5
There are clubs that attend zero USAV qualifiers that would qualify.
If you aren't educated in the entire landscape, don't make statements like "teams skip it because they didn’t get the bid to Open or USA and have to settle for their American bid or whatever else."
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Post by VBallFan on May 3, 2024 9:32:22 GMT -5
If you attend zero USAV qualifiers I think you have to question your club at that point? Why would they not want to play the best competition w/ the most visibility. In my opinion it’s a disservice to the athlete and the families fitting the bill. At least 1 to see where you fit vs competition etc.
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Post by 4theloveofvb on May 3, 2024 11:51:22 GMT -5
Some feel that there are plenty of other great events that "chasing" a bid is unnecessary given the costs and tournament landscape.
Triple Crown is "THE EVENT" and these clubs are there and in the mix on Day 2 and 3. There are JVA events that leverage great opportunities with less travel, less days off school, less hotel expenses, etc. Also, these clubs have no issues from a visibility and recruiting standpoint.
It might not be as common in your part of the country, but the Mideast/Great Lakes has a handful of clubs that are worth mentioning.
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Post by 4theloveofvb on May 3, 2024 11:54:33 GMT -5
Two clubs that finished Top 10 at USAV 18 Open Nationals don't attend qualifiers. They both attended one qualifier (MEQ) this season and qualified.
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Post by ezevb on May 3, 2024 13:21:54 GMT -5
Munciana and KIVA are inarguably two of the top clubs in the country. Neither of which sends all of their teams to any qualifier. They will (as of very recently) send a couple teams to MEQ because it’s a great tournament and very close to both clubs. If you think they need to “question themselves” as a club, you might want to reevaluate what you think you know about youth volleyball.
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Post by hgavball on May 3, 2024 13:24:56 GMT -5
Munciana and KIVA are inarguably two of the top clubs in the country. Neither of which sends all of their teams to any qualifier. They will (as of very recently) send a couple teams to MEQ because it’s a great tournament and very close to both clubs. If you think they need to “question themselves” as a club, you might want to reevaluate what you think you know about youth volleyball. MEQ has been a great tournament and very close to both clubs for a LONG TIME. That is not the reason Munciana and KIVA now all of a sudden attend MEQ after years of never doing any USAV qualifiers. For those that dig deeper, the common denominator is 3Step Sports acquisition of both clubs.
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Post by ezevb on May 3, 2024 13:25:17 GMT -5
First round of at-large bids should have been sent out yesterday, correct? Anyone hear anything for any of the age groups yet? Don't think this has happened yet. The qualifier manual says at large teams will be released no later than the second Friday after the last qualifier. The final qualifiers were this past weekend, which gives them all the way until May 10th to notify all teams. Thanks! For some reason I had it stuck in my head that offers went out the Tuesday after the last Qualifier. Not the first time I’ve been wrong and probably not the last!
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Post by 4theloveofvb on May 3, 2024 13:34:11 GMT -5
3Step has nothing to do with clubs attending or not attending qualifiers. 3Step is a mix of clubs that do and do not go the USAV route.
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Post by ezevb on May 3, 2024 13:46:38 GMT -5
Munciana and KIVA are inarguably two of the top clubs in the country. Neither of which sends all of their teams to any qualifier. They will (as of very recently) send a couple teams to MEQ because it’s a great tournament and very close to both clubs. If you think they need to “question themselves” as a club, you might want to reevaluate what you think you know about youth volleyball. MEQ has been a great tournament and very close to both clubs for a LONG TIME. That is not the reason Munciana and KIVA now all of a sudden attend MEQ after years of never doing any USAV qualifiers. For those that dig deeper, the common denominator is 3Step Sports acquisition of both clubs. Yes, both clubs have been acquired by 3 Step but that has nothing to do with going to MEQ. If 3Step tells them they have to go to a certain tournament, it'll be a 3step tournament like they have done with MLK. 3step also runs a President's Day weekend tournament. When they start flexing, you'll see some top clubs dropping from Triple Crown. But 3Step will never mandate a club giving money to USAV.
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Post by 4theloveofvb on May 3, 2024 14:31:54 GMT -5
Some posts display a real lack of knowledge about the club volleyball landscape and both had really definitive statements.
Below are facts
3 clubs from the Mideast Power League are consistently Top 20 clubs in the country and do not attend USAV qualifiers. Munciana, Tri-State Elite, and KIVA are all consistently very competitive. None of these clubs question their place in the national landscape.
Tri-State Elite's 18s finished 3rd at Triple Crown and 5th at USAVs. Munciana 18s finished 13th at Triple Crown and 9th at USAVs.
KIVA and Tri-State both have Top 20 17s teams. Munciana and Tri-State both have Top 10 15s teams.
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