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Post by Bud Kilmer on Jan 3, 2024 9:11:17 GMT -5
My question is if you are 17 why are you playing up in 18s with a shortened season? On top of that, many of the top 18s are not even playing club so the competition is better in 17s. Is this strictly the club pushing that to try to win a championship at the expense of those 17s?
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Jan 3, 2024 9:24:53 GMT -5
On paper, TAV 18-Black looks scary good!!!! It will be interesting to see which teams can hang with them this season. On paper they were really scary good last year too. Much of the team is the same but adding Suli Davis to that mix elevates them that much more! It will be fun to watch them for sure! TAV-17 Black also looks pretty good on paper. They have a couple players from the Drive Nation team last year that was high ranked throughout the season. Or too many cooks in the kitchen which will lead to disgruntled players and parents. No idea why Suli would want to play 18s or how Young/Livings would welcome sitting out more their 18s year. Sounds like a mess to me. |
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Jan 3, 2024 9:26:02 GMT -5
If you have that kind of talent in your building and competing for a national championship,wouldn’t you want to field the most competitive team possible? Absolutely but imagine the turmoil that would bring unless their current players knew it would be happening. It already happens all the time. But the kids on both teams know they are walking Into that situation at the beginning of the year. |
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Post by thedudeabides21 on Jan 3, 2024 9:34:37 GMT -5
Absolutely but imagine the turmoil that would bring unless their current players knew it would be happening. It already happens all the time. But the kids on both teams know they are walking Into that situation at the beginning of the year. If they know ahead of time, then it's on them to have agreed to it. If it's a surprise addition, well then that would suck. |
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Post by VBallLife on Jan 3, 2024 9:42:22 GMT -5
My question is if you are 17 why are you playing up in 18s with a shortened season? On top of that, many of the top 18s are not even playing club so the competition is better in 17s. Is this strictly the club pushing that to try to win a championship at the expense of those 17s? Or the age group is loaded with talent at that particular club and they ensure everyone plays. However to field the best team at nationals some will have those 17’s come back to their age group. |
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Jan 3, 2024 9:54:51 GMT -5
My question is if you are 17 why are you playing up in 18s with a shortened season? On top of that, many of the top 18s are not even playing club so the competition is better in 17s. Is this strictly the club pushing that to try to win a championship at the expense of those 17s? Or the age group is loaded with talent at that particular club and they ensure everyone plays. However to field the best team at nationals some will have those 17’s come back to their age group. There is no doubt both age groups at TAV are loaded but thats what happens when these girls flip to a new club every year. I just cant see how you can keep everyone happy but then again I am sure some or if not all are playing for free IE no club dues to recruit them so that makes it easier to overlook. Although most if not all of those girls come from wealthy families so even that might not matter. It will be interesting but if I was 17 playing up on 18s I would only agree to that if allowed to drop down when 18s is over. |
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Post by Gridballer on Jan 3, 2024 14:30:52 GMT -5
Or the age group is loaded with talent at that particular club and they ensure everyone plays. However to field the best team at nationals some will have those 17’s come back to their age group. There is no doubt both age groups at TAV are loaded but thats what happens when these girls flip to a new club every year. I just cant see how you can keep everyone happy but then again I am sure some or if not all are playing for free IE no club dues to recruit them so that makes it easier to overlook. Although most if not all of those girls come from wealthy families so even that might not matter. It will be interesting but if I was 17 playing up on 18s I would only agree to that if allowed to drop down when 18s is over. This has been tried and precedent has been set for USAV (maybe not for AAU though?). If you played in a qualifier or nationals for 18s, then you cannot play in a qualifier or nationals for a 17s team the same year. |
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Post by notvballdad on Jan 3, 2024 14:41:33 GMT -5
My question is if you are 17 why are you playing up in 18s with a shortened season? On top of that, many of the top 18s are not even playing club so the competition is better in 17s. Is this strictly the club pushing that to try to win a championship at the expense of those 17s? I would suggest that length of season has a lot to do with it. With club going into July further each year that amount of break the kids get is getting to near nothing. There are folks that want some family time for a vacation or just for their kids bodies to have some time to get right so playing up on 18s allows them to finish their season in April. And if recruiting isn't an issue and they are already committed then why not take your last summer to have some family time and normalcy with all the other summers and holidays you've given up. It goes by SO fast and it's easy to look back at all the things you didn't get to do because of volleyball commitments (which was awesome as well) but if you have a chance to make some time to do some things, plus get to actually work out, recover, work on technical skills and have a little down time, I would do it in a heartbeat looking back. Quite honestly, i wish my daughter would have played 18s more than once. Lower level 18s players are still pretty damned good that are still choosing to play their 18s year. I also can't state how different the vibe is at 18s vs. previous years. It's positive, celebratory, less anxious and lighter than at the younger age groups (at least in my experience) and it came through with the kids on the team as well. You don't use nearly as many 'burnout points' in an 18s season as you do in other years. It's also cheaper because of the abbreviated season. One final note. The girls can actually focus on just being students at the end of the school year and really put their energy towards end of semester, finals and really enjoy the last few weeks of school vs. extra practices getting ready for nationals at night while juggling homework and end of semester projects and tests. |
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Post by Word on Jan 3, 2024 14:47:25 GMT -5
There is no doubt both age groups at TAV are loaded but thats what happens when these girls flip to a new club every year. I just cant see how you can keep everyone happy but then again I am sure some or if not all are playing for free IE no club dues to recruit them so that makes it easier to overlook. Although most if not all of those girls come from wealthy families so even that might not matter. It will be interesting but if I was 17 playing up on 18s I would only agree to that if allowed to drop down when 18s is over. This has been tried and precedent has been set for USAV (maybe not for AAU though?). If you played in a qualifier or nationals for 18s, then you cannot play in a qualifier or nationals for a 17s team the same year. That's not true. If you play 18's club season, you cannot play in any 17's qualifiers but you can play in 17's Nationals (for your same club). So while you can't help your team get the bid, you can help them compete at Nationals. |
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Post by crazyfan on Jan 3, 2024 15:14:10 GMT -5
If you have that kind of talent in your building and competing for a national championship,wouldn’t you want to field the most competitive team possible? Absolutely but imagine the turmoil that would bring unless their current players knew it would be happening. I agree with this…I think if they knew it was a possibility from the beginning where they could make the best decision for themselves then absolutely let them join, but if it was not made clear from the start then I think it would be a hard thing to do since they are paying a freaking ton of money on dues and travel to do this. (Unless of course there was an injury to fill in). Also I think I remember that they can’t help two teams qualify for nationals. |
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Post by Gridballer on Jan 3, 2024 15:56:37 GMT -5
This has been tried and precedent has been set for USAV (maybe not for AAU though?). If you played in a qualifier or nationals for 18s, then you cannot play in a qualifier or nationals for a 17s team the same year. That's not true. If you play 18's club season, you cannot play in any 17's qualifiers but you can play in 17's Nationals (for your same club). So while you can't help your team get the bid, you can help them compete at Nationals. Interesting clarification. Thank you! Could you imagine having 18s team players that can still play 17s come in to take your position at 17s nationals that you played to qualify for the tournament? That would be rough. |
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Post by jackson5vb on Jan 3, 2024 23:46:00 GMT -5
This has been tried and precedent has been set for USAV (maybe not for AAU though?). If you played in a qualifier or nationals for 18s, then you cannot play in a qualifier or nationals for a 17s team the same year. That's not true. If you play 18's club season, you cannot play in any 17's qualifiers but you can play in 17's Nationals (for your same club). So while you can't help your team get the bid, you can help them compete at Nationals. So if a girl plays in an 18s USA Qualifier, she cannot later play in a 17s USA Qualifier? What's the rule about a 16 year old who has played in a Qualifier but then wants to play in a 17s or 18s Qualifier? |
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Post by OHVBKING on Jan 4, 2024 0:09:56 GMT -5
Back to the conversation at hand. More 17s teams to watch this season
Circle City - they were a top 10 team all of last season. Too bad we will never get to see them play at Triple Crown
AVC - heard they brought in some out of state talent to add to the roster
TriState Elite - believe 7 of their 10 players are already D1 commits and they had a good showing at TC last year
KIVA - in past years they have always seemed to play well early but not hold up later in the season. Heard they added a new player
OTVA - always strong and I expect it won't be any different this season
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Post by itsallrelative on Jan 4, 2024 10:06:37 GMT -5
That's not true. If you play 18's club season, you cannot play in any 17's qualifiers but you can play in 17's Nationals (for your same club). So while you can't help your team get the bid, you can help them compete at Nationals. So if a girl plays in an 18s USA Qualifier, she cannot later play in a 17s USA Qualifier? What's the rule about a 16 year old who has played in a Qualifier but then wants to play in a 17s or 18s Qualifier? Isn't the rule that, if you are on a roster that qualifies, you are "frozen" to that roster and must play on that roster at Nationals. If you do not qualify, you are "frozen" to that club, but can play on another team within that club.... And yes, if you play nationals at 18s as a U17, you can play U17 Nationals the same year (we had an injury that was filled by a former 18s player a couple of years ago).... |
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Post by thedudeabides21 on Jan 4, 2024 10:39:20 GMT -5
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