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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2024 21:25:00 GMT -5
The students working in the unionized cafeterias didn't win a single game last year, and they still get paid $21/hr for their labor.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Mar 5, 2024 21:46:12 GMT -5
Classic helmet though
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Post by n00b on Mar 5, 2024 21:48:25 GMT -5
Maybe! How many games should you win before you're considered an employee? I don’t think any college athlete should be considered employees. But this team’s lack of success means they probably generate less revenue for their school than many high school athletes.
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Post by n00b on Mar 5, 2024 21:50:20 GMT -5
The students working in the unionized cafeterias didn't win a single game last year, and they still get paid $21/hr for their labor. If you didn’t pay cafeteria workers, nobody would do it. Millions of people play sports without pay. In fact millions of people PAY money to participate. Are they all employees?
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 5, 2024 21:50:40 GMT -5
Maybe! How many games should you win before you're considered an employee? I don’t think any college athlete should be considered employees. The federal government disagrees with you. So?
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Post by coachdavid on Mar 5, 2024 22:34:22 GMT -5
So where is the money to pay them coming from?
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 5, 2024 22:42:20 GMT -5
The decision is that of a regional director. It will certainly be appealed to the NLRB board, which will have to affirm or deny the decision. It denied a similar decision regarding Northwestern in 2014. The significant difference was that Northwestern was in a conference with public institutions and the imbalance was considered detrimental (the NLRB only has authority over private employers). The Ivy League is comprised only of private institutions. The NLRB is not the federal government.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2024 23:00:08 GMT -5
The decision is that of a regional director. It will certainly be appealed to the NLRB board, which will have to affirm or deny the decision. It denied a similar decision regarding Northwestern in 2014. That was 10 years ago, and with different people on the board. It was also before the legal decisions that required the NCAA to allow the NIL activities.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 5, 2024 23:03:21 GMT -5
So where is the money to pay them coming from? As the athletes pointed out, the cafeteria doesn't make a profit either. Non-profits and money-losing businesses still have employees and still have to pay them. Those employees are still allowed to unionize. Anyway, Dartmouth has an $8B endowment, and distributes more than $300M from it every year.
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 5, 2024 23:17:23 GMT -5
The decision is that of a regional director. It will certainly be appealed to the NLRB board, which will have to affirm or deny the decision. It denied a similar decision regarding Northwestern in 2014. That was 10 years ago, and with different people on the board. It was also before the legal decisions that required the NCAA to allow the NIL activities. Undoubtedly the landscape has changed a great deal, but there will still be private institutions mixed in with public ones in most major conferences (there is a similar case involving USC in the Western region). If this decision is upheld, I can't imagine any basis where it wouldn't apply to every private university in the country, and it presents the same issues, i.e. inequalities.
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Post by joetrinsey on Mar 6, 2024 0:58:28 GMT -5
The students working in the unionized cafeterias didn't win a single game last year, and they still get paid $21/hr for their labor. If you didn’t pay cafeteria workers, nobody would do it. Millions of people play sports without pay. In fact millions of people PAY money to participate. Are they all employees? Plenty of people (including me) coach for free in some situations but many coaches (including me) want to get paid for coaching in other situations. I don’t know why Dartmouth would field a unionized team when there’s plenty of players who would play otherwise, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if their demands aren’t so significant that Dartmouth is fine with it.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 6, 2024 4:02:04 GMT -5
If you didn’t pay cafeteria workers, nobody would do it. Millions of people play sports without pay. In fact millions of people PAY money to participate. Are they all employees? Plenty of people (including me) coach for free in some situations but many coaches (including me) want to get paid for coaching in other situations. I don’t know why Dartmouth would field a unionized team when there’s plenty of players who would play otherwise, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if their demands aren’t so significant that Dartmouth is fine with it. It's illegal to fire someone for joining a union. Dartmouth legally can't replace these players with non-union players. Dartmouth could kick them off the team for other reasons, if they can justify it, but not for joining a union.
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Post by joetrinsey on Mar 6, 2024 4:28:45 GMT -5
Plenty of people (including me) coach for free in some situations but many coaches (including me) want to get paid for coaching in other situations. I don’t know why Dartmouth would field a unionized team when there’s plenty of players who would play otherwise, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if their demands aren’t so significant that Dartmouth is fine with it. It's illegal to fire someone for joining a union. Dartmouth legally can't replace these players with non-union players. Dartmouth could kick them off the team for other reasons, if they can justify it, but not for joining a union. Sure but they could (I think, you would know better) just recruit a whole team of different players. Or perhaps contract to a different employee-run firm of players that wasn’t unionized.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 6, 2024 5:26:58 GMT -5
It's illegal to fire someone for joining a union. Dartmouth legally can't replace these players with non-union players. Dartmouth could kick them off the team for other reasons, if they can justify it, but not for joining a union. Sure but they could (I think, you would know better) just recruit a whole team of different players. Or perhaps contract to a different employee-run firm of players that wasn’t unionized. No, they can't. "Recruiting a whole team of different players" is exactly what they can't do. That would be replacing the current players because they unionized, which is illegal. If they did try to do that, they would get sued. And they would lose. Another thing that unions do is subvert the tactic where the deep-pockets employer simply risks going to court because the employees don't have the money to pay the lawyers, even if they have a winning case. But SEIU (and other unions) have their own in-house lawyers as well as the resources to pay for other lawyers, so they are not afraid to go to court. Which means not only would Dartmouth spend a lot of money in legal fees, but they would likely lose, and be forced to pay back the union's legal fees as well. What they *could* do is simply disband the program completely. Get rid of MBB.
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Post by joetrinsey on Mar 6, 2024 5:57:53 GMT -5
Good info thanks for sharing that.
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