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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Apr 24, 2024 14:40:44 GMT -5
I saw this post almost 3 weeks ago, when it first happened. I can't believe this thread is up to 38 pages This happens with everything Nebraska. It's VT's favorite team, love 'em or hate 'em. How about, love to hate ‘em? 😉 I kid, I actually have a ton of respect for the girls and the program.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 24, 2024 14:41:53 GMT -5
NE WVB is obviously a very displined team, so I disagree with later part of your reply. Maybe our definitions of doing nothing differ. Harper Murray is probably not the only player on the team who drinks. Punishing her doesn’t change that. It doesn’t necessarily build a better team cohesiveness, if all it does is drive it underground more. For some players, drinking becomes a release for the discipline and stress of being on the team. Cook knows this. He’s dealt with it before. The only threat Cook faces in terms of an undermining of support for him or for Nebraska Volleyball is not winning. Nothing else matters. I don't think anyone really cares that she drank. It's the driving while drunk that's the issue.
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Post by Chewblocka on Apr 24, 2024 15:02:15 GMT -5
I'm still dumbfounded that with a boyfriend and numerous upperclasswomen teammates that somehow she was able to get in the car and drive while being THAT drunk. My coach would have punished the whole team for not looking out for each other...
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Post by chibadgerfan on Apr 24, 2024 16:44:19 GMT -5
Regardless of how many people change their thinking, the point is the university be seen as acting appropriately. What if she is given no punishment, then does it again but injures someone? That’s not really the role of a university, nor is it in the job description of a volleyball coach to “appropriately” punish a student or team member, with extra-judicial punishments, when they violate the laws of society. In Lincoln, that role rests solely on the judiciary of Lancaster county. On the average, these judges don’t look kindly on DUIs. I wish her well… Abstractly that makes some sense, though as a practical matter I think it’s difficult-to-defend. Moreover there has always been the in loco parentis view that universities are held responsible for the behavior of their students, and therefore have a duty like parents to impose penalties.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 24, 2024 16:47:22 GMT -5
is there a way to hide threads? It really is terrible when threads reach out of the computer screen and force your finger to click the mouse on them....
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Post by smartcookie on Apr 24, 2024 17:41:58 GMT -5
A note to Harper... replying to negative comments on social media isn't a good look. did she? yeah. the original comment was "how are you able to play after your arrests" and the response from harper was "lol cause it's none of ur business how i handle it. i don't need to spill all my beans to people who don't deserve my time or energy". she also liked several comments in the responses telling people to leave her alone. these were up for less than 24hrs and have since been deleted. *edit: the comments are back up now but might be deleted again in the future
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Post by redcard on Apr 24, 2024 18:45:34 GMT -5
I saw this post almost 3 weeks ago, when it first happened. I can't believe this thread is up to 38 pages She's up for freshman athlete of the year at Nebraska. Let's see what happens if she wins! I heard there’s a big party later on Greek road…..too soon?? 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by gazelle1 on Apr 24, 2024 18:52:12 GMT -5
yeah. the original comment was "how are you able to play after your arrests" and the response from harper was "lol cause it's none of ur business how i handle it. i don't need to spill all my beans to people who don't deserve my time or energy". she also liked several comments in the responses telling people to leave her alone. these were up for less than 24hrs and have since been deleted. My initial thought was that high-profile athletes should just stay off social media, but I also know that at least some of their NIL deals are dependent on the size of their social media following. That has got to be tough learning how to manage that as a 19-year-old. Perhaps universities should hire social media consultants for their student-athletes?
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Post by slxpress on Apr 24, 2024 20:35:31 GMT -5
yeah. the original comment was "how are you able to play after your arrests" and the response from harper was "lol cause it's none of ur business how i handle it. i don't need to spill all my beans to people who don't deserve my time or energy". she also liked several comments in the responses telling people to leave her alone. these were up for less than 24hrs and have since been deleted. My initial thought was that high-profile athletes should just stay off social media, but I also know that at least some of their NIL deals are dependent on the size if their social media following. That has got to be tough learning how to manage that as a 19-year-old. Perhaps universities should hire social media consultants for their student-athletes? Forget being an athlete. You’re so socially isolated as a young person in this day and age if you’re not on social media. It would be the equivalent of not watching TV or using a television in the 70s and 80s.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 24, 2024 21:16:53 GMT -5
She's up for freshman athlete of the year at Nebraska. Let's see what happens if she wins! I heard there’s a big party later on Greek road…..too soon?? 🤷🏻♂️ It’s just lame regardless of timing.
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Post by ilalum92 on Apr 24, 2024 23:38:23 GMT -5
38 pages on this and, so far, no one has yet come up with a "Harper Murray D-U-I" song sung to the tune of "Harper Valley P-T-A"?!?! Ive been waiting for someone to mention it, but it dates me.
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Post by xlumie on Apr 24, 2024 23:48:41 GMT -5
Can we march her naked through the streets of Lincoln chanting “Shame!” at her, while clanging a large hand held bell? I suspect that would be well-attended. By the Wisconsin fans yes.
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Post by VolleyBurg96 on Apr 25, 2024 0:51:36 GMT -5
I see a lot of “cook won’t do anything”… yet isn’t that the absolute precedent lol?
Texas’s Micaya White was pulled over by the police while driving, failed a sobriety test, smelled heavily of alcohol, and admitted to underage drinking and driving and yet, she played with the collegiate national team in the spring and didn’t miss a single match the following year with Texas... It’s literally how every coach has operated in the past. Beyond that I advocated for her forgiveness. She was a phenomenal player. She’s not defined by one dumb mistake. She grew from it.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 25, 2024 7:35:16 GMT -5
From where I sit, suspending a player in the fall for something that happened in April is complicated. You've practiced for a month in the spring after her arrest, that player will likely be in some summer school (and working out with her teammates), then you have another three weeks of preseason just to suspend her week 1? I can see the argument for disciplinary action when the incident occurs rather than going 4+ months with that looming over everyone.
Nebraska likely has internal policies around what discipline can and can't be for something like a DUI. And they might not be able to do anything severe until it's actually adjudicated in court. I've worked in multiple athletic departments where athletes have been charged with felonies (murder, armed robbery, assault, etc) and that is generally treated *very* differently than a DUI. Most places have a policy which allows them to immediately suspend anyone charged with a felony but not a misdemeanor or summary offense.
Also, Murray not making a public statement is smart. That's what lawyers are for.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 25, 2024 9:32:48 GMT -5
Unrelated fun fact- a suspension for "violation of team rules" is almost always code for "failed drug test."
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