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Post by babybacksets on Sept 8, 2024 8:06:24 GMT -5
Hawaii catching some fire in the second half of that 5th set. Bravo to them. But serious question, what happened to the Hawaii program that was always ranked and usually went far in the NCAA tournament? It seems as though once Shoji left, the program has been trying to rebuild and hasn't had much luck. Girl bye Get this underhanded mess outta here lol You are not the arbiter of program success |
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Post by aznsun90 on Sept 8, 2024 8:29:48 GMT -5
Although I wish they had finished it in 3, I’m so proud of this team for splitting the series.
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Post by dd2000 on Sept 8, 2024 8:55:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the second Pepperdine match can be found anywhere? I keep checking YouTube but no luck yet.
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Post by veebz17 on Sept 8, 2024 10:38:23 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the second Pepperdine match can be found anywhere? I keep checking YouTube but no luck yet. Not seeing anything yet but I’ll share it here when someone uploads it! |
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Post by VT Karen on Sept 8, 2024 15:11:22 GMT -5
Maybe it's the lack of blocking footwork and a swing block that you're noticing? It's a staple with Hawaii and even at Imi Ike when the club was still going. You know I think that’s it! What is going on with that because I think the program is truly going to suffer down the road if they don’t change this blocking philosophy. Good eyes, you! I believe this blocking technique has been in the program since the beginning. At Imi Ike (a program that mirrors everything UH did when in existence), we're taught to stop swing blocking and using a more timed approach. Instead, all the post blockers were to use shuffle steps to front the hitter and then go straight up. We couldn't load at an angle in anticipation for a go set to the pin and because of this a bunch block strategy was virtually out of the question because it's hard to explode to the pin using only shuffle steps. I think the middles could use a step crossover to close, but their shoulders could not go perpendicular to the net. The philosophy was to cut out extra motion and to take care to not get tooled in case you're late to bring your outside hand over when trying to seal the net off. It worked but it's not the most dynamic blocking technique but of course, girls with extraordinary physicality like Kanani, Nikki or Adora could pull it off well. |
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Post by VT Karen on Sept 8, 2024 15:15:37 GMT -5
The program has been making it to the NCAA every season since Ah Mow took over. And Ah Mow has produce an All American. I wouldn't consider this team a rebuild since Ah Mow took over. When comparing the Shoji UH teams vs Robyn's UH teams, there's a big gap in talent and level of play. They haven't gotten anywhere near to what they used to be and the program has been trying to rebuild to that since he left. Okay, she's produced one all American in 7 years? I'm sorry, UH used to have an all American every year, or at least close to that. Yes, you're right the program isn't where it used to be and that all-American list is getting a little dusty. Though, fans are settling in to the "new norm" and are hopeful that the program can keep consistently winning conference championships, getting into the NCAA tournament, challenging the best teams in matches and even maybe taking steps to get back to prominence. |
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Post by VT Karen on Sept 8, 2024 15:19:45 GMT -5
Five Wahine have double digit digs: Tayli (32), Caylen (16), Tali (15), Kate (14), and Victoria (12). This is fine and all but the blocking system is probably the reason why they have to dig more balls Exactly! But if there is a deficiency, it's good to see that the other cog in Hawaii's defense is picking up the slack. What this team has done the last 4 matches is bring back the vintage Hawaii floor defense. But yes, this type of pressure on the floor defense cannot be sustained and the blocking will need to pick it up. I was encouraged by some of the block touches the Wahine were getting this past series. |
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Post by staticb on Sept 8, 2024 15:37:41 GMT -5
How they teach blocking in most places now is similar to UH's blocking scheme I believe. That doesn't mean it's the best scheme for this team, but they aren't an archaic relic in this particular case.
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Post by veebz17 on Sept 8, 2024 16:00:26 GMT -5
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Post by VT Karen on Sept 8, 2024 16:15:32 GMT -5
How they teach blocking in most places now is similar to UH's blocking scheme I believe. That doesn't mean it's the best scheme for this team, but they aren't an archaic relic in this particular case. No, I don't find that most places necessarily teaches blocking the same way Hawaii does. There are places that may employ the same technique and scheme when they feel that certain situations call for it. But they have both in their arsenal. Many teams, especially the top teams, use a load and swing block technique with a step crossover footwork pattern. This is especially true when defending the opponents FBSO attempt. Now, using a scheme where you have your post blocker front the opposing team's hitter based off of what the numbers are is still a good tactic as it does eliminate extra motion. Pepperdine did this to a degree on Caylen and Stella last night. At times, Tali forgets that Hawaii doesn't swing block and will use the motion and footwork, especially when she's blocking on the left. There are pros and cons to both but Hawaii exclusively uses a front and step hop or shuffle for their post blockers. Using a more dynamic blocking technique may help these smaller post blockers. |
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Post by babybacksets on Sept 8, 2024 16:25:07 GMT -5
You know I think that’s it! What is going on with that because I think the program is truly going to suffer down the road if they don’t change this blocking philosophy. Good eyes, you! I believe this blocking technique has been in the program since the beginning. At Imi Ike (a program that mirrors everything UH did when in existence), we're taught to stop swing blocking and using a more timed approach. Instead, all the post blockers were to use shuffle steps to front the hitter and then go straight up. We couldn't load at an angle in anticipation for a go set to the pin and because of this a bunch block strategy was virtually out of the question because it's hard to explode to the pin using only shuffle steps. I think the middles could use a step crossover to close, but their shoulders could not go perpendicular to the net. The philosophy was to cut out extra motion and to take care to not get tooled in case you're late to bring your outside hand over when trying to seal the net off. It worked but it's not the most dynamic blocking technique but of course, girls with extraordinary physicality like Kanani, Nikki or Adora could pull it off well. Interesting, no wonder we have the issues that we do when an opponent speeds their offense up. Hopefully this isn’t something that Robyn is wedded to all that strongly, I feel like being a strong capable swing blocker is a big part of being a higher level volleyball player |
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Post by VT Karen on Sept 8, 2024 16:26:57 GMT -5
Good eyes, you! I believe this blocking technique has been in the program since the beginning. At Imi Ike (a program that mirrors everything UH did when in existence), we're taught to stop swing blocking and using a more timed approach. Instead, all the post blockers were to use shuffle steps to front the hitter and then go straight up. We couldn't load at an angle in anticipation for a go set to the pin and because of this a bunch block strategy was virtually out of the question because it's hard to explode to the pin using only shuffle steps. I think the middles could use a step crossover to close, but their shoulders could not go perpendicular to the net. The philosophy was to cut out extra motion and to take care to not get tooled in case you're late to bring your outside hand over when trying to seal the net off. It worked but it's not the most dynamic blocking technique but of course, girls with extraordinary physicality like Kanani, Nikki or Adora could pull it off well. Interesting, no wonder we have the issues that we do when an opponent speeds their offense up. Hopefully this isn’t something that Robyn is wedded to all that strongly, I feel like being a strong capable swing blocker is a big part of being a higher level volleyball player I can't say if she's wedded to it strongly now, the play seems to say yes. But I can tell you that back in the 2010's it was till death do us part for her. It would be nice to see them have both techniques in their repertoire. |
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Post by kb808 on Sept 8, 2024 16:29:50 GMT -5
The Wahine do not have the physical ability and athleticism to teach the swing block technique .. even if we had the capability, our coaching staff isn’t experienced.
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Post by C on Sept 8, 2024 21:46:08 GMT -5
When comparing the Shoji UH teams vs Robyn's UH teams, there's a big gap in talent and level of play. They haven't gotten anywhere near to what they used to be and the program has been trying to rebuild to that since he left. Okay, she's produced one all American in 7 years? I'm sorry, UH used to have an all American every year, or at least close to that. Shut up, ignorant Troll. I shan't. |
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Post by C on Sept 8, 2024 21:47:59 GMT -5
When comparing the Shoji UH teams vs Robyn's UH teams, there's a big gap in talent and level of play. They haven't gotten anywhere near to what they used to be and the program has been trying to rebuild to that since he left. Okay, she's produced one all American in 7 years? I'm sorry, UH used to have an all American every year, or at least close to that. You think its that easy to produce an All American? Some schools don't even get one. I'm not saying it's easy. I was just posing the question as to what led to drop in talent and level of play. I'm not close to the program nor follow them closely like other people on this forum. |
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