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Post by C on Sept 8, 2024 21:49:04 GMT -5
Hawaii catching some fire in the second half of that 5th set. Bravo to them. But serious question, what happened to the Hawaii program that was always ranked and usually went far in the NCAA tournament? It seems as though once Shoji left, the program has been trying to rebuild and hasn't had much luck. Girl bye Get this underhanded mess outta here lol You are not the arbiter of program success Lol So you're telling me there hasn't been a drop in talent or level of play at Hawaii?? BFFR now. |
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Post by C on Sept 8, 2024 21:53:25 GMT -5
When comparing the Shoji UH teams vs Robyn's UH teams, there's a big gap in talent and level of play. They haven't gotten anywhere near to what they used to be and the program has been trying to rebuild to that since he left. Okay, she's produced one all American in 7 years? I'm sorry, UH used to have an all American every year, or at least close to that. Yes, you're right the program isn't where it used to be and that all-American list is getting a little dusty. Though, fans are settling in to the "new norm" and are hopeful that the program can keep consistently winning conference championships, getting into the NCAA tournament, challenging the best teams in matches and even maybe taking steps to get back to prominence. Thank you. I was just posing the question because I used to love rooting for Hawaii back in the Kanani & Aneli days. If this is the new norm, then that's fine, but I would love to see them get back to what they used to be. |
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Post by VT Karen on Sept 8, 2024 22:51:24 GMT -5
Yes, you're right the program isn't where it used to be and that all-American list is getting a little dusty. Though, fans are settling in to the "new norm" and are hopeful that the program can keep consistently winning conference championships, getting into the NCAA tournament, challenging the best teams in matches and even maybe taking steps to get back to prominence. Thank you. I was just posing the question because I used to love rooting for Hawaii back in the Kanani & Aneli days. If this is the new norm, then that's fine, but I would love to see them get back to what they used to be. Yes, I felt that your comments weren't negative. This is the new norm lol Hawaii out here scrapping to get to the second round. Hawaii hasn't had an all-American pin since Nikki Taylor so it's exciting to see Caylen doing her thing. Come cheer for Hawaii again. It's good fun and sometimes hilarious! |
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Post by babybacksets on Sept 8, 2024 22:54:49 GMT -5
Girl bye Get this underhanded mess outta here lol You are not the arbiter of program success Lol So you're telling me there hasn't been a drop in talent or level of play at Hawaii?? BFFR now. People just like to say this but I don’t think the last years of Shoji’s tenure had these super strong teams as if the drop off was because of Robyn becoming coach. Like on its face it’s an annoying thing to insinuate considering the 2019 team |
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Post by C on Sept 9, 2024 0:30:24 GMT -5
Lol So you're telling me there hasn't been a drop in talent or level of play at Hawaii?? BFFR now. People just like to say this but I don’t think the last years of Shoji’s tenure had these super strong teams as if the drop off was because of Robyn becoming coach. Like on its face it’s an annoying thing to insinuate considering the 2019 team Shoji's last few years had players like Nikki Taylor, Emily Maglio, and Olivia Magill (all of which were AA) and other strong non-AAs. Yes, they weren't the strongest Hawaii teams under Shoji's tenure, but they were still beating/competing with top teams. I don't think anybody expected Hawaii to be as strong as they were right off the bat with a coach like Shoji retiring. However, it's fair to question why they haven't been able to recruit top talent by now. I don't mean to be annoying or rude, but Robyn and her coaching staff have had enough time to acclimate and beef up the recruiting by now. |
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Post by huskersoftroy on Sept 9, 2024 0:57:57 GMT -5
People just like to say this but I don’t think the last years of Shoji’s tenure had these super strong teams as if the drop off was because of Robyn becoming coach. Like on its face it’s an annoying thing to insinuate considering the 2019 team Shoji's last few years had players like Nikki Taylor, Emily Maglio, and Olivia Magill (all of which were AA) and other strong non-AAs. Yes, they weren't the strongest Hawaii teams under Shoji's tenure, but they were still beating/competing with top teams. I don't think anybody expected Hawaii to be as strong as they were right off the bat with a coach like Shoji retiring. However, it's fair to question why they haven't been able to recruit top talent by now. I don't mean to be annoying or rude, but Robyn and her coaching staff have had enough time to acclimate and beef up the recruiting by now. The recruiting is my biggest question as well and I would love if anyone who follows the program closely could shed a little light. How exactly did Hawaii fall behind so many other programs in terms of landing top recruits? There’s also a ton of high-level in state recruits and it seems like the majority of them don’t choose UH? Not trying to cause arguments here, I like the program a lot and it’d be great to see them do well on the national stage. |
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Post by noblesol on Sept 9, 2024 0:58:02 GMT -5
People just like to say this but I don’t think the last years of Shoji’s tenure had these super strong teams as if the drop off was because of Robyn becoming coach. Like on its face it’s an annoying thing to insinuate considering the 2019 team Shoji's last few years had players like Nikki Taylor, Emily Maglio, and Olivia Magill (all of which were AA) and other strong non-AAs. Yes, they weren't the strongest Hawaii teams under Shoji's tenure, but they were still beating/competing with top teams. I don't think anybody expected Hawaii to be as strong as they were right off the bat with a coach like Shoji retiring. However, it's fair to question why they haven't been able to recruit top talent by now. I don't mean to be annoying or rude, but Robyn and her coaching staff have had enough time to acclimate and beef up the recruiting by now. Your trolling, and you know it. The subject is not complex, it's a topic that's been discussed in multiple threads and very recently. Anyone slightly familiar with VT could find them and all the depth of answer they need on the subject. You probably already have, which means you're not just trolling but have an agenda. And it's an ugly one. |
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Post by noblesol on Sept 9, 2024 1:00:10 GMT -5
Shoji's last few years had players like Nikki Taylor, Emily Maglio, and Olivia Magill (all of which were AA) and other strong non-AAs. Yes, they weren't the strongest Hawaii teams under Shoji's tenure, but they were still beating/competing with top teams. I don't think anybody expected Hawaii to be as strong as they were right off the bat with a coach like Shoji retiring. However, it's fair to question why they haven't been able to recruit top talent by now. I don't mean to be annoying or rude, but Robyn and her coaching staff have had enough time to acclimate and beef up the recruiting by now. The recruiting is my biggest question as well and I would love if anyone who follows the program closely could shed a little light. How exactly did Hawaii fall behind so many other programs in terms of landing top recruits? There’s also a ton of high-level in state recruits and it seems like the majority of them don’t choose UH? Not trying to cause arguments here, I like the program a lot and it’d be great to see them do well on the national stage. More of the same... |
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Post by C on Sept 9, 2024 1:17:21 GMT -5
Shoji's last few years had players like Nikki Taylor, Emily Maglio, and Olivia Magill (all of which were AA) and other strong non-AAs. Yes, they weren't the strongest Hawaii teams under Shoji's tenure, but they were still beating/competing with top teams. I don't think anybody expected Hawaii to be as strong as they were right off the bat with a coach like Shoji retiring. However, it's fair to question why they haven't been able to recruit top talent by now. I don't mean to be annoying or rude, but Robyn and her coaching staff have had enough time to acclimate and beef up the recruiting by now. Your trolling, and you know it. The subject is not complex, it's a topic that's been discussed in multiple threads and very recently. Anyone sightly familiar with VT could find them and all the depth of answer they need on the subject. You probably already have, which means you're not just trolling but have an agenda. And it's an ugly one. The stories you're telling yourself are hilarious 😂 I took a long hiatus from volleytalk and just recently came back right before the Olympics, and even then I'm not on here every day. If this is a sensitive topic for you, I understand. But to accuse someone of trolling and having an agenda when they only asked a fair question about a program that has dropped in both the level of play and recruiting is a big reach. |
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Post by C on Sept 9, 2024 1:21:54 GMT -5
Shoji's last few years had players like Nikki Taylor, Emily Maglio, and Olivia Magill (all of which were AA) and other strong non-AAs. Yes, they weren't the strongest Hawaii teams under Shoji's tenure, but they were still beating/competing with top teams. I don't think anybody expected Hawaii to be as strong as they were right off the bat with a coach like Shoji retiring. However, it's fair to question why they haven't been able to recruit top talent by now. I don't mean to be annoying or rude, but Robyn and her coaching staff have had enough time to acclimate and beef up the recruiting by now. The recruiting is my biggest question as well and I would love if anyone who follows the program closely could shed a little light. How exactly did Hawaii fall behind so many other programs in terms of landing top recruits? There’s also a ton of high-level in state recruits and it seems like the majority of them don’t choose UH? Not trying to cause arguments here, I like the program a lot and it’d be great to see them do well on the national stage. Agreed. I'd hope that someone who follows the program closely or is close to the program could shed some light instead of being attacked. |
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Post by noblesol on Sept 9, 2024 1:24:15 GMT -5
Your trolling, and you know it. The subject is not complex, it's a topic that's been discussed in multiple threads and very recently. Anyone sightly familiar with VT could find them and all the depth of answer they need on the subject. You probably already have, which means you're not just trolling but have an agenda. And it's an ugly one. The stories you're telling yourself are hilarious 😂 I took a long hiatus from volleytalk and just recently came back right before the Olympics, and even then I'm not on here every day. If this is a sensitive topic for you, I understand. But to accuse someone of trolling and having an agenda when they only asked a fair question about a program that has dropped in both the level of play and recruiting is a big reach. I tire of foolishness quickly. You're trolling. And by your own admission, too lazy to do a little homework. Move on. |
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Post by C on Sept 9, 2024 1:29:25 GMT -5
The stories you're telling yourself are hilarious 😂 I took a long hiatus from volleytalk and just recently came back right before the Olympics, and even then I'm not on here every day. If this is a sensitive topic for you, I understand. But to accuse someone of trolling and having an agenda when they only asked a fair question about a program that has dropped in both the level of play and recruiting is a big reach. I tire of foolishness quickly. You're trolling. And by your own admission, too lazy to do a little homework. Move on. You're conflating trolling with curiosity and it's not a good look. I don't know how I ever admitted to being lazy. Again, you're reaching. |
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Post by noblesol on Sept 9, 2024 1:41:11 GMT -5
I tire of foolishness quickly. You're trolling. And by your own admission, too lazy to do a little homework. Move on. You're conflating trolling with curiosity and it's not a good look. I don't know how I ever admitted to being lazy. Again, you're reaching. Satisfy your curiosity by doing your own research. It's easy enough. Select a profile of someone who regularly posts on a Hawai'i thread and read their latest. Soon you'll find multiple comments on the subject. It's so ridiculously easy to find depth on the subject, I can only conclude you're incredibly lazy or trolling. Probably both. |
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Post by VT Karen on Sept 9, 2024 1:51:39 GMT -5
Shoji's last few years had players like Nikki Taylor, Emily Maglio, and Olivia Magill (all of which were AA) and other strong non-AAs. Yes, they weren't the strongest Hawaii teams under Shoji's tenure, but they were still beating/competing with top teams. I don't think anybody expected Hawaii to be as strong as they were right off the bat with a coach like Shoji retiring. However, it's fair to question why they haven't been able to recruit top talent by now. I don't mean to be annoying or rude, but Robyn and her coaching staff have had enough time to acclimate and beef up the recruiting by now. The recruiting is my biggest question as well and I would love if anyone who follows the program closely could shed a little light. How exactly did Hawaii fall behind so many other programs in terms of landing top recruits? There’s also a ton of high-level in state recruits and it seems like the majority of them don’t choose UH? Not trying to cause arguments here, I like the program a lot and it’d be great to see them do well on the national stage. In my opinion, Robyn's 2019 season is the gem of her tenure, and they were very good. 2020 and beyond looked to be more of the same and fairly promising. But when COVID hit and the Big West cancelled the 2020 season, it hit Hawaii differently, I suppose. Jolie Rasmussen and Hanna Hellvig, the leading attackers from the 2019 team, decided not to return to the team in 2021, each for special reasons that are personal to them. The program also lost a great coach in Angelica Ljungqvist. Hawaii did bring in nice freshman classes in 2020 and 2021 that included promising athletes like Martyna Leoniak (transferred to NC State after 2021), Mia Johnson (transferred to Texas A&M and played one season there in 2022), and Anna Kiraly, who was unfortunately diagnosed with MS and had to medically retire. The 2021 recruiting class was basically decimated. Tayli Ikenaga and Kate Lang, the lone seniors this year, are actually 2020 recruits who are playing their 4th season in 5 years since Hawaii didn't play late fall 2020 or spring 2021. Amber Igiede and Riley Wagoner were the only 2019 seniors to make it till the end of their 4-year careers as their classmates, Braelyn Akana and Tiffany Westerberg, decided to end their careers due to personal reasons. Recently, Hawaii also lost Paula Guersching to transfer, and now she's at Miami. This has done two things immediately to the 2024 Wahine: 1.) Sophomore Stella Adeyemi, who is promising but undersized and inexperienced, needs to man the second outside hitter position, while Sophomore Tali Hakas, a natural 6-rotation outside hitter, has been asked to fill in on the opposite. There really is no proven backup for either player right now. The loss of Anna Kiraly now forces Hawaii's middle position to be occupied by two true freshman and two juniors, Jaycn Bamis (a transfer from Clemson who is relatively unexperienced and hasn't played major minutes for Hawaii till this year) and Megan Monahan, a transfer from Division II HPU. So from what I've observed, Hawaii has had high turnover recently due to multiple reasons, some disclosed and some undisclosed. Personally, I am hoping that the 2024 recruiting class, which has the reigning Hawaii Gatorade Player of the Year Adrianna Arquette, Hawaii All-State middle Mili Sylvester, solid freshman DS from Texas Victoria Leyva, and Maddie Way from Sierra Canyon, helps push the reset button for the program. But even this class has already been bit by the turnover bug when physical freshman Malinah Purcell decided to stop playing volleyball at this time for personal reasons. Next season, Hawaii is expected to have the services of another good homegrown recruit in Chalei Reid. If any Hawaii fans want to fill in any holes or correct anything that may be wrong, please do so. |
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Post by noblesol on Sept 9, 2024 2:06:11 GMT -5
The recruiting is my biggest question as well and I would love if anyone who follows the program closely could shed a little light. How exactly did Hawaii fall behind so many other programs in terms of landing top recruits? There’s also a ton of high-level in state recruits and it seems like the majority of them don’t choose UH? Not trying to cause arguments here, I like the program a lot and it’d be great to see them do well on the national stage. In my opinion, Robyn's 2019 is the gem of her tenure, and they were very good. 2020 and beyond looked to be more of the same and fairly promising. But when COVID hit and the Big West cancelled the 2020 season, it hit Hawaii differently, I suppose. Jolie Rasmussen and Hanna Hellvig, the leading attackers from the 2019 team, decided not to return to the team in 2021, each for special reasons that are personal to them. The program also lost a great coach in Angelica Ljungqvist. Hawaii did bring in nice freshman classes in 2020 and 2021 that included promising athletes like Martyna Leoniak (transferred to NC State after 2021), Mia Johnson (transferred to Texas A&M and played one season there in 2022), and Anna Kiraly, who was unfortunately diagnosed with MS and had to medically retire. The 2021 recruiting class was basically decimated. Tayli Ikenaga and Kate Lang, the lone seniors this year, are actually 2020 recruits who are playing their 4th season in 5 years since Hawaii didn't play late fall 2020 or spring 2021. Amber Igiede and Riley Wagoner were the only 2019 seniors to make it till the end of their 4-year careers as their classmates, Braelyn Akana and Tiffany Westerberg, decided to end their careers due to personal reasons. Recently, Hawaii also lost Paula Guersching to transfer, and now she's at Miami. This has done two things immediately to the 2024 Wahine: 1.) Sophomore Stella Adeyemi, who is promising but undersized and inexperienced, needs to man the second outside hitter position, while Sophomore Tali Hakas, a natural 6-rotation outside hitter, has been asked to fill in on the opposite. There really is no proven backup for either player right now. The loss of Anna Kiraly now forces Hawaii's middle position to be occupied by two true freshman and two juniors, Jaycn Bamis (a transfer from Clemson who is relatively unexperienced and hasn't played major minutes for Hawaii till this year) and Megan Monahan, a transfer from Division II HPU. So from what I've observed, Hawaii has had high turnover recently due to multiple reasons, some disclosed and some undisclosed. Personally, I am hoping that the 2024 recruiting class, which has the reigning Hawaii Gatorade Player of the Year Adrianna Arquette, Hawaii All-State middle Mili Sylvester, solid freshman DS from Texas Victoria Leyva, and Maddie Way from Sierra Canyon, helps push the reset button for the program. But even this class has already been bit by the turnover bug when physical freshman Malinah Purcell decided to stop playing volleyball at this time for personal reasons. Next season, Hawaii is expected to have the services of another good homegrown recruit in Chalei Reid. If any Hawaii fans want to fill in any holes or correct anything that may be wrong, please do so. Shoji's last seven years were managed decline from Shoji's previous years. He passed to his successor a largely bare recruit cupboard for 2017 and 2018. Robyn's 2019 team had three future All-Americans she'd recruited. Unfortunately Rasmussen was lost to injury and Hellvig departed after the BWC cancelled the 2020 season due to Covid, leaving Igiede. |
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