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Post by jgrout on Sept 23, 2024 0:04:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I think it's time for Louisville to give up the 6-2. I just don't think you can win a title with Glock as a setter There are zero coaches who run a 6-2 with winning a national championship in mind. Coaches who run 6-2’s are either trying to keep specific players happy to stay in the program or are upholding promises that kept specific players in the program. This is an unjustified projection. The 2003 USC Women of Troy were one of the best teams of their generation, went undefeated, ending their season by beating the best University of Florida team in that program's history, and they ran a 6-2. [That season, the Gators and Women of Troy administered two of the worst beatings I have ever seen Stanford take at Maples Pavilion. Both matches were sweeps and Stanford was obliterated both times. A future Nebraska Husker was in town the weekend of the Gators match and didn't get a very positive picture of Stanford from that beating.] Stanford ran a 6-2 in 1994 and 1995 and won a national championship in 1994. I remember a pre-season alumni match one season when I saw Lisa Sharpley (Vanacht) knocking down one kill after another. I found out that she had been a AVCA first-team A-A hitter-setter in 1994. When I asked why the team didn't at least occasionally set her in transition in 1997 (her last season at Stanford), she said that that team didn't need her on offense. |
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Post by gazelle1 on Sept 23, 2024 1:33:39 GMT -5
Looking at the stats for the match I see that out of 95 total attacks, only 14 were from the middles. Jackson had 11 of them. I don't mean to nitpick what was a great performance by the Nebraska team, but I would be curious to hear from Bergen Reilly what drove her decision-making to set relatively few middle attacks. I wonder if it was part of the gameplan, or if the passes she received dictated more sets to the pins?
Also, as a huge Nebraska fan I am pleasantly surprised, or perhaps shocked is the better term, to see Nebraska has transformed into a serving juggernaut! It's bizarre, but in a good way :-)
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 23, 2024 2:00:42 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I think it's time for Louisville to give up the 6-2. I just don't think you can win a title with Glock as a setter There are zero coaches who run a 6-2 with winning a national championship in mind. Coaches who run 6-2’s are either trying to keep specific players happy to stay in the program or are upholding promises that kept specific players in the program. Running a 6-2 usually means that you either have a problem that you are working around or an opportunity that you are taking advantage of. I don't think it's as simple as just saying it's always the former. |
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Post by xlumie on Sept 23, 2024 3:45:20 GMT -5
Looking at the stats for the match I see that out of 95 total attacks, only 14 were from the middles. Jackson had 11 of them. I don't mean to nitpick what was a great performance by the Nebraska team, but I would be curious to hear from Bergen Reilly what drove her decision-making to set relatively few middle attacks. I wonder if it was part of the gameplan, or if the passes she received dictated more sets to the pins? Also, as a huge Nebraska fan I am pleasantly surprised, or perhaps shocked is the better term, to see Nebraska has transformed into a serving juggernaut! It's bizarre, but in a good way :-) IDK. Nebraska's serving can go from really good in one match to really bad the next. |
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Post by knapplc on Sept 23, 2024 8:16:03 GMT -5
This was probably mentioned earlier in the thread, but it's nice to keep setting records around the country.
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Post by azsker on Sept 23, 2024 9:00:14 GMT -5
There are zero coaches who run a 6-2 with winning a national championship in mind. Coaches who run 6-2’s are either trying to keep specific players happy to stay in the program or are upholding promises that kept specific players in the program. This is an unjustified projection. The 2003 USC Women of Troy were one of the best teams of their generation, went undefeated, ending their season by beating the best University of Florida team in that program's history, and they ran a 6-2. [That season, the Gators and Women of Troy administered two of the worst beatings I have ever seen Stanford take at Maples Pavilion. Both matches were sweeps and Stanford was obliterated both times. A future Nebraska Husker was in town the weekend of the Gators match and didn't get a very positive picture of Stanford from that beating.] Stanford ran a 6-2 in 1994 and 1995 and won a national championship in 1994. I remember a pre-season alumni match one season when I saw Lisa Sharpley (Vanacht) knocking down one kill after another. I found out that she had been a AVCA first-team A-A hitter-setter in 1994. When I asked why the team didn't at least occasionally set her in transition in 1997 (her last season at Stanford), she said that that team didn't need her on offense. okay so I understand what you're saying, but it's not best to debate on an unjustified projection by using a team from over 2 decades ago. The game has changed IMMENSELY... 2003?!?!?! |
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Post by redcard🏐 on Sept 23, 2024 9:43:49 GMT -5
Looking at the stats for the match I see that out of 95 total attacks, only 14 were from the middles. Jackson had 11 of them. I don't mean to nitpick what was a great performance by the Nebraska team, but I would be curious to hear from Bergen Reilly what drove her decision-making to set relatively few middle attacks. I wonder if it was part of the gameplan, or if the passes she received dictated more sets to the pins? Also, as a huge Nebraska fan I am pleasantly surprised, or perhaps shocked is the better term, to see Nebraska has transformed into a serving juggernaut! It's bizarre, but in a good way :-) I'm sure it had more to do with the overwhelming match up advantage that NE had on the pins. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 23, 2024 9:44:53 GMT -5
This is an unjustified projection. The 2003 USC Women of Troy were one of the best teams of their generation, went undefeated, ending their season by beating the best University of Florida team in that program's history, and they ran a 6-2. [That season, the Gators and Women of Troy administered two of the worst beatings I have ever seen Stanford take at Maples Pavilion. Both matches were sweeps and Stanford was obliterated both times. A future Nebraska Husker was in town the weekend of the Gators match and didn't get a very positive picture of Stanford from that beating.] Stanford ran a 6-2 in 1994 and 1995 and won a national championship in 1994. I remember a pre-season alumni match one season when I saw Lisa Sharpley (Vanacht) knocking down one kill after another. I found out that she had been a AVCA first-team A-A hitter-setter in 1994. When I asked why the team didn't at least occasionally set her in transition in 1997 (her last season at Stanford), she said that that team didn't need her on offense. okay so I understand what you're saying, but it's not best to debate on an unjustified projection by using a team from over 2 decades ago. The game has changed IMMENSELY... 2003?!?!?! In 2015 USC ran a modified 6-2 and was #1 before losing a heartbreaker to Kanas in the Regional final. In 2017 USC ran a 6-2 and had several match points on Florida at Florida to go to the final four and couldn't quite close it out. They were plenty good to beat that Florida team. Has the game changed IMMENSELY since 2017? |
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Post by Big 🔴 Energy on Sept 23, 2024 9:51:02 GMT -5
Looking at the stats for the match I see that out of 95 total attacks, only 14 were from the middles. Jackson had 11 of them. I don't mean to nitpick what was a great performance by the Nebraska team, but I would be curious to hear from Bergen Reilly what drove her decision-making to set relatively few middle attacks. I wonder if it was part of the gameplan, or if the passes she received dictated more sets to the pins? Also, as a huge Nebraska fan I am pleasantly surprised, or perhaps shocked is the better term, to see Nebraska has transformed into a serving juggernaut! It's bizarre, but in a good way :-) When playing against a 6-2, a good tactic is hitting at the other team’s right back to force their setters to take the first ball and get them OOS. I’m watching the match again rn, and so far, Louisville’s RSs are cheating toward Nebraska’s middle attack and keeping the line open for the LS attack, so kudos to Bergen for recognizing that. Bergen’s sets to the LS look intentional and not a matter of convenience like Nebraska’s previous setter demonstrated. Update: Louisville picked up on this and adjusted their block to the pin, which is when Harper and Lindsay started going off crosscourt, so nice adjustments by them. Also, I’m going to credit Krause for starting to recycle balls OOS by like the men do. I noticed against Stanford and this match how she’s finally hitting the ball UP and FLAT against the other team’s block with her wrist back, allowing the team to cover her (shoutout to the incredible DSs and Lexi). Obviously not ideal, however, when the set is tight against a taller block that can really penetrate and put the ball back down in her face like what happened a couple of plays yesterday. But this is when she should take a page out of Queen Jordan’s book by turning her hips out of bounds and power wiping off the OPP/setter’s hand or forearm. I’m just glad she’s not trying to blast low seam OOS, because teams were gobbling that up lol |
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Post by trojansc on Sept 23, 2024 10:29:11 GMT -5
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 23, 2024 10:39:44 GMT -5
I think it was 2011 when Russ Rose literally busted out the 6-2 for the first time in the regional semifinal as the #16 seed playing against #1 Nebraska in Lincoln. They were up 2-0 and 24-22 before Neb went to a diff level and got used to defending the 6-2.
The fact that the 6-2 can spring up on defenses and almost cause a massive upset is kinda proof that it can be useful and it just a last ditch effort. Even though in this example it kind of WAS a last-ditch effort. <3
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Post by Big 🔴 Energy on Sept 23, 2024 10:55:47 GMT -5
I think it was 2011 when Russ Rose literally busted out the 6-2 for the first time in the regional semifinal as the #16 seed playing against #1 Nebraska in Lincoln. They were up 2-0 and 24-22 before Neb went to a diff level and got used to defending the 6-2. The fact that the 6-2 can spring up on defenses and almost cause a massive upset is kinda proof that it can be useful and it just a last ditch effort. Even though in this example it kind of WAS a last-ditch effort. <3 2016? |
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Post by trojansc on Sept 23, 2024 10:58:58 GMT -5
I think it was 2011 when Russ Rose literally busted out the 6-2 for the first time in the regional semifinal as the #16 seed playing against #1 Nebraska in Lincoln. They were up 2-0 and 24-22 before Neb went to a diff level and got used to defending the 6-2. The fact that the 6-2 can spring up on defenses and almost cause a massive upset is kinda proof that it can be useful and it just a last ditch effort. Even though in this example it kind of WAS a last-ditch effort. <3 2016 was the year, not 2011. Penn State actually went 6-2 in their entire match in the regular season that year against Nebraska, and then in the Regional Semis they were in a 6-2 only some of the time. A situational 6-2 if you will. The international double-sub is certainly a tool to have and can pay off situationally. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 23, 2024 11:05:31 GMT -5
I think it was 2011 when Russ Rose literally busted out the 6-2 for the first time in the regional semifinal as the #16 seed playing against #1 Nebraska in Lincoln. They were up 2-0 and 24-22 before Neb went to a diff level and got used to defending the 6-2. The fact that the 6-2 can spring up on defenses and almost cause a massive upset is kinda proof that it can be useful and it just a last ditch effort. Even though in this example it kind of WAS a last-ditch effort. <3 2016 was the year, not 2011. Penn State actually went 6-2 in their entire match in the regular season that year against Nebraska, and then in the Regional Semis they were in a 6-2 only some of the time. A situational 6-2 if you will. The international double-sub is certainly a tool to have and can pay off situationally. yeah that makes more sense. UCLA was the 2011 dandy and PSU lost to Hawai'i in RSF. It's all comingggg baacccckk to me nowwwwww. |
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Post by ted_heise on Sept 23, 2024 11:17:34 GMT -5
There are zero coaches who run a 6-2 with winning a national championship in mind. Coaches who run 6-2’s are either trying to keep specific players happy to stay in the program or are upholding promises that kept specific players in the program. Running a 6-2 usually means that you either have a problem that you are working around or an opportunity that you are taking advantage of. I don't think it's as simple as just saying it's always the former. Terry Pettit had this to say when posting prior to the Creighton-Louisville match a few weeks ago... "The match will contrast two different systems. Louisville will run a 6-2, a system I have previously characterized as a 1950s Jaguar frequently in the garage because of its complexity. Creighton will run a 5-1, a system similar to a Honda Accord in its simplicity. The systems are appropriate for each team's talent. They are not arbitrary systems based on a coaching philosophy." Elsewhere I think he said something about the 6-2 being really effective--when it's running properly. www.facebook.com/share/p/HzpJUT7g9kDVUGeD/?mibextid=oFDknk |
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