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Post by azsker on Sept 23, 2024 14:29:25 GMT -5
...but didn't win a title. there are teams every year who COULD win the title but don’t… it’s stil worth noting. You’re acting like it’s literally impossible. Also in 2017 Penn state wins the title in a 6-2 If their setter didn’t trip lol. Clearly that team was also good enough to win a title ...I mean you can argue the coulda shoulda woulda game all day, that's completely fine. It doesn't change the fact no one has won with a 6-2 as of recently. I always love when people say that, like Nebraska had no chance at digging that ball. Could've been a double contact, a net hit, hit out of bounds, in the net, etc...but sure. Keep telling yourself that if the setter didn't trip the title was theirs. And technically there was a blown call that should've gone Nebraska's way earlier that set, so that comment isn't even relevant. |
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Post by blue10 on Sept 23, 2024 14:32:40 GMT -5
there are teams every year who COULD win the title but don’t… it’s stil worth noting. You’re acting like it’s literally impossible. Also in 2017 Penn state wins the title in a 6-2 If their setter didn’t trip lol. Clearly that team was also good enough to win a title ...I mean you can argue the coulda shoulda woulda game all day, that's completely fine. It doesn't change the fact no one has won with a 6-2 as of recently. I always love when people say that, like Nebraska had no chance at digging that ball. Could've been a double contact, a net hit, hit out of bounds, in the net, etc...but sure. Keep telling yourself that if the setter didn't trip the title was theirs. And technically there was a blown call that should've gone Nebraska's way earlier that set, so that comment isn't even relevant. okay go ahead and have a melt down. That post wasn’t about Nebraska. It was about that Penn state team having a very good chance at a championship with q 6-2. Pitt and Wisconsin have both been close to championships with 6-2s recently. You’re moving the goal posts now. Your original point wasn’t JUST that nobody had won one with a 6-2 yet but you’re changing it and now having a freak out session about Nebraska 2017 bc I said Penn state very likely wins if they didn’t trip. Which btw argue all you want. You can’t deny it was pretty likely Penn state converts that free ball with Washington front row there. Guaranteed ? No. Likely ? Absolutely. So anyway. (And pls don’t bother only responding to this about the 2017 match bc you’re mad that isn’t the point) |
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 23, 2024 14:54:15 GMT -5
there are teams every year who COULD win the title but don’t… it’s stil worth noting. You’re acting like it’s literally impossible. Also in 2017 Penn state wins the title in a 6-2 If their setter didn’t trip lol. Clearly that team was also good enough to win a title ...I mean you can argue the coulda shoulda woulda game all day, that's completely fine. It doesn't change the fact no one has won with a 6-2 as of recently. You are free to make that claim separately. The claim being addressed by people here is the claim: "There are zero coaches who run a 6-2 with winning a national championship in mind" |
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Post by lvcalum on Sept 23, 2024 15:12:32 GMT -5
...I mean you can argue the coulda shoulda woulda game all day, that's completely fine. It doesn't change the fact no one has won with a 6-2 as of recently. I always love when people say that, like Nebraska had no chance at digging that ball. Could've been a double contact, a net hit, hit out of bounds, in the net, etc...but sure. Keep telling yourself that if the setter didn't trip the title was theirs. And technically there was a blown call that should've gone Nebraska's way earlier that set, so that comment isn't even relevant. okay go ahead and have a melt down. That post wasn’t about Nebraska. It was about that Penn state team having a very good chance at a championship with q 6-2. Pitt and Wisconsin have both been close to championships with 6-2s recently. You’re moving the goal posts now. Your original point wasn’t JUST that nobody had won one with a 6-2 yet but you’re changing it and now having a freak out session about Nebraska 2017 bc I said Penn state very likely wins if they didn’t trip. Which btw argue all you want. You can’t deny it was pretty likely Penn state converts that free ball with Washington front row there. Guaranteed ? No. Likely ? Absolutely. So anyway. (And pls don’t bother only responding to this about the 2017 match bc you’re mad that isn’t the point) This is an interesting discussion (regarding the 6-2 vs 5-1). Do you think if we could take VT back in a Time Machine we would be arguing the merits of the 4-2 vs the new fangled 6-2? e.g. “that extra attacker is getting in the setters way!” Could a team win a national championship running a 4-2 if they had amazing players to run it? That being said, it seems to me that the 6-2 takes away two of the most effective plays in women’s vb - the slide and the setter dump. Granted, the volume of setter dump plays pale in comparison to the slide. It would be interesting to see a statistical analysis of the success rate (W-L, hitting %, blocks, etc.) of D-1 teams that have run a 6-2 since the 5-1 became a thing. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 23, 2024 15:52:41 GMT -5
Lexi: 2.58 (12)
Choboy: 2.23 (13)
Murray: 2.00 (13)
Mauch: 2.2 (5)
Krause: 2.1 (5)
Debeer: 2.17 (29)
Scott: 2.47 (19)
Luper: 1.54 (14)
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Post by eazy on Sept 23, 2024 16:09:37 GMT -5
Lexi: 2.58 (12) Choboy: 2.23 (13) Murray: 2.00 (13) Mauch: 2.2 (5) Krause: 2.1 (5) Debeer: 2.17 (29) Scott: 2.47 (19) Luper: 1.54 (14) You might want to double check this. No way DeBeer was getting all that hate while hitting .308 and passing a 2.17. |
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Post by B1GHuskerGuy on Sept 23, 2024 16:14:47 GMT -5
Lexi: 2.58 (12) Choboy: 2.23 (13) Murray: 2.00 (13) Mauch: 2.2 (5) Krause: 2.1 (5) Debeer: 2.17 (29) Scott: 2.47 (19) Luper: 1.54 (14) Well this is pretty telling |
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Post by B1GHuskerGuy on Sept 23, 2024 16:15:44 GMT -5
Lexi: 2.58 (12) Choboy: 2.23 (13) Murray: 2.00 (13) Mauch: 2.2 (5) Krause: 2.1 (5) Debeer: 2.17 (29) Scott: 2.47 (19) Luper: 1.54 (14) You might want to double check this. No way DeBeer was getting all that hate while hitting .308 and passing a 2.17. Was she getting hate? I thought she did great - but I also don’t like to read threads during matches b/c of overreactions lol |
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Post by jwvolley on Sept 23, 2024 16:19:31 GMT -5
Lexi: 2.58 (12) Choboy: 2.23 (13) Murray: 2.00 (13) Mauch: 2.2 (5) Krause: 2.1 (5) Debeer: 2.17 (29) Scott: 2.47 (19) Luper: 1.54 (14) You might want to double check this. No way DeBeer was getting all that hate while hitting .308 and passing a 2.17. It should be a little bit lower. They accidentally gave her a 3 for an overpass lol and there's a pass or two that probably should be marked down. But for the most part, it's just a case of passing a lot of balls gives you a lot of opportunity to compensate for mistakes. She made a solid amount of dimes. But we also know her getting aced multiple times definitely affected the match, so passing grades always need to be put into context. Additionally, I think Luper got blamed for the serve in the seam between the two of them. |
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Post by hopefuldawg on Sept 23, 2024 16:26:32 GMT -5
okay go ahead and have a melt down. That post wasn’t about Nebraska. It was about that Penn state team having a very good chance at a championship with q 6-2. Pitt and Wisconsin have both been close to championships with 6-2s recently. You’re moving the goal posts now. Your original point wasn’t JUST that nobody had won one with a 6-2 yet but you’re changing it and now having a freak out session about Nebraska 2017 bc I said Penn state very likely wins if they didn’t trip. Which btw argue all you want. You can’t deny it was pretty likely Penn state converts that free ball with Washington front row there. Guaranteed ? No. Likely ? Absolutely. So anyway. (And pls don’t bother only responding to this about the 2017 match bc you’re mad that isn’t the point) That being said, it seems to me that the 6-2 takes away two of the most effective plays in women’s vb - the slide and the setter dump. Granted, the volume of setter dump plays pale in comparison to the slide. To give Louisville some credit, they're one of the teams that still uses the slide in a 6-2. They have the middle run behind while the opposite runs up the middle. I think Wisconsin was doing that pretty often in their 6-2 also. |
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Post by azsker on Sept 23, 2024 16:29:18 GMT -5
...I mean you can argue the coulda shoulda woulda game all day, that's completely fine. It doesn't change the fact no one has won with a 6-2 as of recently. I always love when people say that, like Nebraska had no chance at digging that ball. Could've been a double contact, a net hit, hit out of bounds, in the net, etc...but sure. Keep telling yourself that if the setter didn't trip the title was theirs. And technically there was a blown call that should've gone Nebraska's way earlier that set, so that comment isn't even relevant. okay go ahead and have a melt down. That post wasn’t about Nebraska. It was about that Penn state team having a very good chance at a championship with q 6-2. Pitt and Wisconsin have both been close to championships with 6-2s recently. You’re moving the goal posts now. Your original point wasn’t JUST that nobody had won one with a 6-2 yet but you’re changing it and now having a freak out session about Nebraska 2017 bc I said Penn state very likely wins if they didn’t trip. Which btw argue all you want. You can’t deny it was pretty likely Penn state converts that free ball with Washington front row there. Guaranteed ? No. Likely ? Absolutely. So anyway. (And pls don’t bother only responding to this about the 2017 match bc you’re mad that isn’t the point) lol you are quite the little gaslighter aren't you? I'm not melting down or freaking out, it just wasn't even relevant. they didn't win, so bringing them up only had one reason...and you know that reason. don't act like you didn't, or you wouldn't have stated the comment. & it doesn't change the fact that through all of this, even where you inserted yourself in to the conversation by making sure we all knew your Pitt team (that only became your team because Kentucky is no longer in the mix) made 2 final fours with a 6-2...THAT THEY STILL DIDN'T WIN. So multiple examples of you punctuating the point, but getting upset? lol boy bye. |
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Post by lvcalum on Sept 23, 2024 18:10:36 GMT -5
That being said, it seems to me that the 6-2 takes away two of the most effective plays in women’s vb - the slide and the setter dump. Granted, the volume of setter dump plays pale in comparison to the slide. To give Louisville some credit, they're one of the teams that still uses the slide in a 6-2. They have the middle run behind while the opposite runs up the middle. I think Wisconsin was doing that pretty often in their 6-2 also. I have no stats to back me, but the slides out of the 6-2 don’t seem to be nearly as effective. |
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Post by blue10 on Sept 23, 2024 18:18:33 GMT -5
okay go ahead and have a melt down. That post wasn’t about Nebraska. It was about that Penn state team having a very good chance at a championship with q 6-2. Pitt and Wisconsin have both been close to championships with 6-2s recently. You’re moving the goal posts now. Your original point wasn’t JUST that nobody had won one with a 6-2 yet but you’re changing it and now having a freak out session about Nebraska 2017 bc I said Penn state very likely wins if they didn’t trip. Which btw argue all you want. You can’t deny it was pretty likely Penn state converts that free ball with Washington front row there. Guaranteed ? No. Likely ? Absolutely. So anyway. (And pls don’t bother only responding to this about the 2017 match bc you’re mad that isn’t the point) lol you are quite the little gaslighter aren't you? I'm not melting down or freaking out, it just wasn't even relevant. they didn't win, so bringing them up only had one reason...and you know that reason. don't act like you didn't, or you wouldn't have stated the comment. & it doesn't change the fact that through all of this, even where you inserted yourself in to the conversation by making sure we all knew your Pitt team (that only became your team because Kentucky is no longer in the mix) made 2 final fours with a 6-2...THAT THEY STILL DIDN'T WIN. So multiple examples of you punctuating the point, but getting upset? lol boy bye. no all I meant was that teams that had championship hopes and *COULD* have won the national championships have run 6-2s you’re just too stupid to understand that obviously….because literally what 😭 just because Penn state 2017 DIDNT win doesn’t mean they COULDNT have. It just took a little unlucky incident for them to not. Regarding Pitt I’ve liked them since Kayla Lund was a star there because I know her. (also leketor is another person I know personally so her transferring in helped) So that’s 2 strikes there lmao. I’m sure you’ll respond something else stupid back for the third. |
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Post by Big 🔴 Energy on Sept 23, 2024 18:51:41 GMT -5
To give Louisville some credit, they're one of the teams that still uses the slide in a 6-2. They have the middle run behind while the opposite runs up the middle. I think Wisconsin was doing that pretty often in their 6-2 also. I have no stats to back me, but the slides out of the 6-2 don’t seem to be nearly as effective. Some teams run the combination play in RO1 SR (with 3 hitters in the front row) when they stack left. This is when the OPP runs the quick (also known in Nebraska’s gym as an A ball) in the middle in front of the setter, and the M2 runs from zone 4 to 2 behind the setter. I think the last time Nebraska ran this was in 2016 when Kadie would hit the A ball, Holman hit the slide, and Foecke hit the go. |
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Post by maigrey on Sept 23, 2024 19:54:41 GMT -5
That being said, it seems to me that the 6-2 takes away two of the most effective plays in women’s vb - the slide and the setter dump. Granted, the volume of setter dump plays pale in comparison to the slide. To give Louisville some credit, they're one of the teams that still uses the slide in a 6-2. They have the middle run behind while the opposite runs up the middle. I think Wisconsin was doing that pretty often in their 6-2 also. you are correct! |
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