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Post by bbg95 on Sept 30, 2024 11:34:50 GMT -5
wisconsin 1, 3, and 6 ranking positions higher than teams that beat them though… Minnesota's best wins are Texas, Auburn, and Wisconsin. They lost close 5-set matches to TCU, Baylor, and Purdue. Perhaps I have them too low, but considering where they started from in the preseason, I think #12 is a fair ranking for them. Texas' best wins are Wisconsin and Baylor. Their losses are to Minnesota, Miami, and Stanford. Perhaps they're a little high too, but considering their talent and the teams below them, I think #9 is a fair ranking for them. Stanford's best wins are Minnesota, Wisconsin, Marquette, Texas, Kentucky. They've been swept by Nebraska and Louisville. Their resume is pretty good. Their losses are too good teams, but they didn't look good at all in them. Wisconsin's best wins are TCU, Baylor, and Marquette. Their losses are to Louisville, Stanford, Texas, and Minnesota. Okay, yeah. I do have them too high. My bad. I'd probably rank them ≈#9-11 or so if I could revise my poll. Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah, I had Wisconsin at 12 and Minnesota at 11 because I couldn't think of a good reason to rank Wisconsin ahead of Minnesota at this point. 1. Pittsburgh 2. Nebraska 3. Penn State 4. Louisville 5. Creighton 6. Stanford 7. Kansas 8. Texas 9. Purdue 10. Oregon 11. Minnesota 12. Wisconsin I'm less confident in the bottom half of my poll (I wasn't able to do a ballot the previous few weeks), so I'll only post my top 12. |
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Post by buttery on Sept 30, 2024 11:36:32 GMT -5
Kind of interesting that Elise McGhie and Caroline Crawford both left Kansas for greener pastures (BIG TEN) yet they're both looking up at their former team this week... Well Turner won the 5-1 job over McGhie, so can’t fault her for being a back-up setter for a program like Minnesota, but CC definitely hurt. Crawford would actually get set if she were still here, but at this point I’ll take Toy Onabanjo over her any day. |
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Post by gopherhim on Sept 30, 2024 11:39:25 GMT -5
wisconsin 1, 3, and 6 ranking positions higher than teams that beat them though… Minnesota's best wins are Texas, Auburn, and Wisconsin. They lost close 5-set matches to TCU, Baylor, and Purdue. Perhaps I have them too low, but considering where they started from in the preseason, I think #12 is a fair ranking for them. Texas' best wins are Wisconsin and Baylor. Their losses are to Minnesota, Miami, and Stanford. Perhaps they're a little high too, but considering their talent and the teams below them, I think #9 is a fair ranking for them. Stanford's best wins are Minnesota, Wisconsin, Marquette, Texas, Kentucky. They've been swept by Nebraska and Louisville. Their resume is pretty good. Their losses are too good teams, but they didn't look good at all in them. Wisconsin's best wins are TCU, Baylor, and Marquette. Their losses are to Louisville, Stanford, Texas, and Minnesota. Okay, yeah. I do have them too high. My bad. I'd probably rank them ≈#9-11 or so if I could revise my poll. Thanks for pointing that out. For the record, I don't vote in this poll but I'd probably have Wisconsin ahead of Minnesota too. I just thought 6 spots higher than Minnesota was rather generous. I'm definitely not outraged at all by Minnesota's ranking in the overall poll or your ballot specifically. 12 is about as high as I would go for them right now and I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking their passing is too atrocious to warrant anything above 20 (lowest ranking for them being 17 almost surprises me lol). This year does seem really hard to rank the bottom half of the top 10 with all of the conflicting results and seemingly constant upsets by dangerous teams that are lower in the rankings. It's a lot to keep track of and look at, so thanks for the time you and others put in to your ballot. Sometimes people accidentally leave teams off their ballot entirely. We're only human lol |
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Post by Burly Ives on Sept 30, 2024 11:39:40 GMT -5
Kind of interesting that Elise McGhie and Caroline Crawford both left Kansas for greener pastures (BIG TEN) yet they're both looking up at their former team this week... Well Turner won the 5-1 job over McGhie, so can’t fault her for being a back-up setter for a program like Minnesota, but CC definitely hurt. Crawford would actually get set if she were still here, but at this point I’ll take Toy Onabanjo over her any day. Not that familiar with the Kansas roster that well for 2024 but Toy Onabanjo has got to be one of the greatest names in women's college volleyball. |
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Post by gopherhim on Sept 30, 2024 11:44:54 GMT -5
Kind of interesting that Elise McGhie and Caroline Crawford both left Kansas for greener pastures (BIG TEN) yet they're both looking up at their former team this week... Well Turner won the 5-1 job over McGhie, so can’t fault her for being a back-up setter for a program like Minnesota, but CC definitely hurt. Crawford would actually get set if she were still here, but at this point I’ll take Toy Onabanjo over her any day. Onabanjo was good at Iowa but has really shined at Kansas. One of my favorite transfer success stories |
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Post by mvc17vb on Sept 30, 2024 11:45:01 GMT -5
Kind of interesting that Elise McGhie and Caroline Crawford both left Kansas for greener pastures (BIG TEN) yet they're both looking up at their former team this week... Interesting take....ignore the previous two years and focus on this week only? BIG champ and runner-up, final 8 and final 4. Think those results are a bit better than the last 2 years for her former team. |
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Post by volleyball303 on Sept 30, 2024 11:59:16 GMT -5
I totally understand it’s a team sport and chemistry is important but could the argument be made that Nebraska is better at every position than Pittsburgh besides opposite?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 30, 2024 12:00:20 GMT -5
I totally understand it’s a team sport and chemistry is important but could the argument be made that Nebraska is better at every position than Pittsburgh besides opposite? Well, Torrey Stafford would like a word there |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 30, 2024 12:01:42 GMT -5
Lmao imagine voting for anyone other than Pitt at 1 It really depends on what people are ranking - which seems to vary wildly. Some posters rank season results - i.e., who deserves to be ranked where based on results (but even in that there's a lot of variation in how much people weigh good wins vs. bad losses). Others rank who they, in their best estimate, honestly think are the best teams right now - despite results. So, even given Neb's loss to SMU, they could still see NEB as doing enough and playing well enough to be No. 1. Still others seem to engage in predictive ranking - looking towards the end of season and basically ranking based on a rough estimate of tournament result. Still others rank a combination of things. Plus biases, wishful thinking, program reputation all enter the chat. It's a question I often ask myself - what is actually being ranked?
AVCA seems to clearly rank results week to week - but with the caveat of ranking results in light of a ranking starting point based on no results (the pre-season poll), and then thereafter using the previous week's ranking as the new starting point. AVCA never seems to take a broader view and reassess whether the starting point week to week was even correct to begin with; never seems to look back beyond the week of ranking. A team could be ranked 9 with a 7-0 record and wins over three then-ranked teams. All or some of those teams could go on to have their own ranking plummet, but the AVCA wouldn't weeks later decide "you know, that team we ranked 9 probably should have never been 9 to begin with given who they beat and those teams' meh results thereafter; let's reassess."
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Post by blue10 on Sept 30, 2024 12:02:44 GMT -5
I totally understand it’s a team sport and chemistry is important but could the argument be made that Nebraska is better at every position than Pittsburgh besides opposite? Well, Torrey Stafford would like a word there and watching Bergen this year so far so would Rachel…. |
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Post by buttery on Sept 30, 2024 12:04:18 GMT -5
Kind of interesting that Elise McGhie and Caroline Crawford both left Kansas for greener pastures (BIG TEN) yet they're both looking up at their former team this week... Interesting take....ignore the previous two years and focus on this week only? BIG champ and runner-up, final 8 and final 4. Think those results are a bit better than the last 2 years for her former team. I fully think CC could’ve been an All-American multiple years at KU had she stayed. She’d get set often whereas she hardly does at Wisconsin at all (when she plays), and the missing ingredient in KU’s offense last year that has come to fruition is middle offense. If she was still here, there’s a world in which you’ve got six starting seniors in Davis, Turner, Bien, Elnady, Onabanjo, Crawford (oh and throw RS-Junior McGeHe in too now) plus Burns who plays like a veteran and that’s a scary team. But to be honest, I think she made the best decision for her volleyball career though and I think she vibes with the intensity of Wisconsin. KU’s team seems calm and light-hearted and that is the opposite of how I’d describe CC’s play lol. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 30, 2024 12:09:24 GMT -5
I totally understand it’s a team sport and chemistry is important but could the argument be made that Nebraska is better at every position than Pittsburgh besides opposite? I would take Bri kelley over Allick Stafford over anyone (both outsides) Babcock over anyone (any option they have at opp) I would take VVG over Krause (not over landfair and Murray though) Fairbanks at this point over Bergen (but idk how Bergen would look with Pitt) Roddy is the only clear choice Pitt at this point destroys Nebraska Things may change come tournament time, but Pitt truly looks unbeatable right now |
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Post by blue10 on Sept 30, 2024 12:11:07 GMT -5
I totally understand it’s a team sport and chemistry is important but could the argument be made that Nebraska is better at every position than Pittsburgh besides opposite? I would take Bri kelley over Allick Stafford over anyone (both outsides) Babcock over anyone (any option they have at opp) I would take VVG over Krause (not over landfair and Murray though) Fairbanks at this point over Bergen (but idk how Bergen would look with Pitt) Roddy is the only clear choice Pitt at this point destroys Nebraska Things may change come tournament time, but Pitt truly looks unbeatable right now well let’s not go that far. Nebraska could definitely beat Pitt. I think Pitt is definitely better right now but I do not like their natch up vs Nebraska so I’d like to avoid them in the tournament unless it’s the final in which case then you just gotta play them |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 30, 2024 12:13:12 GMT -5
I would take Bri kelley over Allick Stafford over anyone (both outsides) Babcock over anyone (any option they have at opp) I would take VVG over Krause (not over landfair and Murray though) Fairbanks at this point over Bergen (but idk how Bergen would look with Pitt) Roddy is the only clear choice Pitt at this point destroys Nebraska Things may change come tournament time, but Pitt truly looks unbeatable right now well let’s not go that far. Nebraska could definitely beat Pitt. I think Pitt is definitely better right now but I do not like their natch up vs Nebraska so I’d like to avoid them in the tournament unless it’s the final in which case then you just gotta play them I mean right now? I think Pitt destroys them Tournament Nebraska is always a different animal (And tbh they are right now, but Nebraska has shown weaknesses when there are multiple point scoring options (SMU and Creighton) And correct me if I’m wrong, but Pitt has been serving pretty tough this year, which Nebraska has kinda struggled with at times. Right now I take Pitt December is always different as cook is a master at getting his team ready |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 30, 2024 12:14:45 GMT -5
I totally understand it’s a team sport and chemistry is important but could the argument be made that Nebraska is better at every position than Pittsburgh besides opposite? Roddy is the only clear choice Lexi, Murray, and Andi would all start, no questions asked. |
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