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Post by lilred on Dec 8, 2005 23:08:05 GMT -5
Well, It's still weighted towards the West- 2 against 1. Well not really. The record we broke for attendance was Madison's. (Wisconsin) So there would be another candidate. If I am not mistaken, there was no Wisconsin in that Final Four either. Although Penn St. was obviously. I am not going to get into childish arguements, I am just throwing it out there again as it came up today in the press conference by Wise and by extension the AVCA.
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Post by islandgirl on Dec 8, 2005 23:09:36 GMT -5
Although it could be considered an unfair advantage for Nebraska, I would rather the championship be held in front of thousands of fans there than a couple of hundred fans somewhere else. (Actually, I would rather it be held in front of thousands of fans in Hawai'i but I guess that's a separate issue.)
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Post by lilred on Dec 8, 2005 23:10:33 GMT -5
Although it could be considered an unfair advantage for Nebraska, I would rather the championship be held in front of thousands of fans there than a couple of hundred fans somewhere else. (Actually, I would rather it be held in front of thousands of fans in Hawai'i but I guess that's a separate issue.) These were Mary's thoughts exactly.
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Post by 808 on Dec 8, 2005 23:11:23 GMT -5
Hawaii's attendance average per match is about 3,000 more then Nebraska's. As any Nebraska fan will tell you, that's only because of the Colisseum's limited capacity of about 4,000. If they played in the Devaney Center, who knows how many they would draw. Not sure what you're referring to here.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 8, 2005 23:12:02 GMT -5
But why would anyone want to fix the championship game in one locale? The biggest ramification is the advantage it gives to the local school. I hope our coaches and school athletic directors, as well as their presidents do not get mesmerized by this.
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Post by deerpark12 on Dec 8, 2005 23:13:23 GMT -5
The College World Series and the Volleyball Final 4 are two different animals because of the time of year in which they occur. While I think it is great that the finals would be played in front of a massive crowd each year, I believe you would be doing a disservice to the student-athletes and their fans to send them to sub freezing tempatures.
In baseball, Omaha brings up thoughts of beautiful warm days and pleasant nights. In volleyball, team would be looking forward to a week of being cold and staying inside. I don't mind it being there occasionally, but saying "Let's make it to Omaha" doesn't quite have the same ring to it that it does for baseball. Unless you're Alaska, in which case 20 degrees is grounds for wearing shorts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2005 23:15:28 GMT -5
Wan't there a similar proposal several years ago to hold the MPSF men's volleyball playoffs in Hawaii every year. I think it was eventually voted down by the coaches.
I wonder if this proposal will run into similar resistance from other coaches around the country.
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Post by lilred on Dec 8, 2005 23:18:00 GMT -5
Hawaii's attendance average per match is about 3,000 more then Nebraska's. The 10,000 attendance figure was several years ago. Now I'll bet it may even exceed the 13,000 currently cited for Nebraska. This is not Nebraska's regular season attendance figures. As you well know ( or not either through ignorance or choosing to ignore it) NU only seats about 4200 because thats all it holds. I would think you are correct though on assuming you could get more than 13000. Nebraska is in fact pushing 14500 currently. But this arguement isn't going to be just about attendance, but about costs, travel considerations, etc. Finally you don't have to bet or speculate about your own attendance figures. Just look them up. (which you also should have done when you stated that Mason and Hittle were not playing in your loss to Loyola. You would think someone would remember one of their players having 26 kills and 15 digs)
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Post by silversurfer on Dec 8, 2005 23:18:48 GMT -5
So the only places that are beneficial for attendance are Madison, Omaha, and Hawaii, and out of those, Hawaii's the only warm weather locale...
Perhaps San Antonio will put on a good show? I know it's the same state as Austin and UT, but it might make a nice permanent location.
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Post by beachman on Dec 8, 2005 23:19:46 GMT -5
Omaha, permanent site for women's volleyball finals... NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
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Post by islandgirl on Dec 8, 2005 23:20:39 GMT -5
Ugh. Ok folks, suffice it to say both Nebraska and Hawai'i draw great crowds. How about just switching between those two places until the support for volleyball catches on as much in other places?
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Post by lilred on Dec 8, 2005 23:34:03 GMT -5
Ugh. Ok folks, suffice it to say both Nebraska and Hawai'i draw great crowds. How about just switching between those two places until the support for volleyball catches on as much in other places? Yes, this isn't supposed to be a pissing war between Nebraska and Hawaii. I think anybody in their right mind would know that EVERYONE would prefer to play in Hawaii every year. But a rational discussion has to include the travel expenses for not only the school's themselves but for the fans. The nice thing about subzero weather is that you won't spend a lot of money. Your team loses you get the hell out of there.
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Post by 808 on Dec 8, 2005 23:35:27 GMT -5
Finally you don't have to bet or speculate about your own attendance figures. Just look them up. (which you also should have done when you stated that Mason and Hittle were not playing in your loss to Loyola. You would think someone would remember one of their players having 26 kills and 15 digs) These were Mason's and Hittle's lines in the loss to LMU earlier this year: 17 Mason, Sarah........ 3| 5 5 18 .000| 0| 2 0| 1| 2| 0 0 0| 0 3 Hittle, Tara............. 3| 6 3 20 .150| 0| 0 2| 0| 7| 0 0 0| 0 I don't see any 26 kills or 15 digs for either one of them. What are you talking about? Just checked the 5 game, second night match and figured out that you're referring to Mason's line in that second match: 17 Mason, Sarah........ 5| 26 10 65 .246| 0| 0 3| 1| 15| 0 2 3| 0 Which is worse? Not looking something up? Or looking something up and then reading it wrong?
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Post by GatorVball on Dec 8, 2005 23:40:24 GMT -5
Mary isn't saying hold it in Omaha forever. But hold it in a place that will sell out(and she says, if there is another place that will sell out, then move it there) until the sport grows to a point that wherever it's held, it will sell out. Men's and women's basketball championships sell out, no matter who is playing or where it's held. I think Volleyball can get close to that. To see these huge arenas, with thousands of empty seats, just does nothing to advance the sport. Seeing a sold out arena, even if for a few years it means a team has a home court advantage, will ultimately benefit the sport in the long run. I'm sure the players would prefer to play in front of sold out crowds than to play to 20,000 seat arenas that have maybe 5k fans in attendance.
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Post by lilred on Dec 8, 2005 23:57:17 GMT -5
Finally you don't have to bet or speculate about your own attendance figures. Just look them up. (which you also should have done when you stated that Mason and Hittle were not playing in your loss to Loyola. You would think someone would remember one of their players having 26 kills and 15 digs) These were Mason's and Hittle's lines in the loss to LMU earlier this year: 17 Mason, Sarah........ 3| 5 5 18 .000| 0| 2 0| 1| 2| 0 0 0| 0 3 Hittle, Tara............. 3| 6 3 20 .150| 0| 0 2| 0| 7| 0 0 0| 0 I don't see any 26 kills or 15 digs for either one of them. What are you talking about? Just checked the 5 game, second night match and figured out that you're referring to Mason's line in that second match: 17 Mason, Sarah........ 5| 26 10 65 .246| 0| 0 3| 1| 15| 0 2 3| 0 Which is worse? Not looking something up? Or looking something up and then reading it wrong? Ok, is it possible than that UH website is wrong? I see a five game loss. I also see the second night was a 3 game win. (for Hawaii) In addition I see the following excerpt from the Hawaii website. HONOLULU - One of UH's most impressive streaks came to a close as the No. 9 University of Hawai`i Rainbow Wahine (6-6) fell to the Loyola Marymount Lions (11-1) 26-30, 30-26, 29-31, 30-23 and 13-15, ending their 205-match winning streak against unranked opponents, in front of a crowd of 6,571 at the Stan Sheriff Center. Sarah Mason had 26 kills and 15 digs to lead UH. Kanoe Kamana`o ended up with 62 assists, 15 digs and five blocks while Ashley Watanabe ended up with 31 assists and three aces. Victoria Prince added 12 kills and eight blocks while Susie Boogaard hit .346 with 10 kills, 15 digs, three aces and four blocks. So I think you've answered your own question.
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