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Post by bigfan on Dec 18, 2005 21:11:57 GMT -5
Nebraska will be back next year.................SO WILL THE PAC-10. Tomasevic's comments are inconsequential; you did not hear UCLA belly aching about this diss.
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Post by Go Iowa on Dec 18, 2005 21:24:11 GMT -5
I think everyone is making to much out of Pavan not shaking her hand and Sanja's comments. I rewatched the ending... it appeared that a very emotional Pavan got through the line while Sanja was pulling the plow and Nebraska had began their final huddle. There was no glare, snarl, anything.
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Post by vbking on Dec 18, 2005 22:12:41 GMT -5
Pavan did shake hands with all the Washington players. If she missed Tomasevic, it's because Tomasevic was to busy hugging everyone. To keep moving through the line she might have missed Tomasevic, but I am sure there was no slight intended. End of story.
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Post by cardfan15 on Dec 18, 2005 23:28:02 GMT -5
Just watched again the handshakes at the net after the match. Tomasevic was walking through, carrying the trophy, she hugged CH, but when she reached Larson and Pavan they both were not looking across the net at her and did not shake her hand. Now, that is all that ESPN showed.
I don't think it is that big of a deal. Yes, they all should at least shake hands and be "good sports." However, UW just won a National Championship and NU just lost one that they felt they should have won. Just because they did not touch hands, which at that point in the season means absolutely nothing[/size], doesn't mean they aren't mature or do not play with sportswomanship. They just don't like each other, and if that's the case, by all means don't shake hands. It doesn't affect anything.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 19, 2005 3:40:19 GMT -5
Just watched again the handshakes at the net after the match. Tomasevic was walking through, carrying the trophy, she hugged CH, but when she reached Larson and Pavan they both were not looking across the net at her and did not shake her hand. Now, that is all that ESPN showed. I don't think it is that big of a deal. Yes, they all should at least shake hands and be "good sports." However, UW just won a National Championship and NU just lost one that they felt they should have won. Just because they did not touch hands, which at that point in the season means absolutely nothing[/size], doesn't mean they aren't mature or do not play with sportswomanship. They just don't like each other, and if that's the case, by all means don't shake hands. It doesn't affect anything.[/quote] Sorry but I do believe that showing good sportsmanship at the end of a match means something. Regardless if you like the person or not and if it's the first game of the season, middle or the championship game. It really doesn't matter. You should always show good sportsmanship. If you are a good athlete and a class athlete you'll will show that respect to another that has beaten you fair and square even if you are down after losing a big match like this one. Even if Tomasevic did say some unneccesary things, jus be the bigger person and kill it with kindness. It just shows more immaturity by turning away and not shaking hands. Sports isn't all about winning, it's about sportsmanship and respect as well.
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Post by aaronic on Dec 19, 2005 4:10:38 GMT -5
I think everyone is just blowing this way out of proportion, it's not that a big deal because what if Nebraska had won and Tomasevic did the same as Pavan, don't you think a Nebraska player would have mentioned it like Tomasevic did?
The whole, 'we are going to crush them' quote by Tomasevic apparently was NOT even intended for JC and company, therefore that is why I think this is being blown totally out of proportion.
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Post by Chance on Dec 19, 2005 8:40:22 GMT -5
"Tomasevic says it involved UCLA and repeated that assertion Saturday night.
"But now I can say out loud: We crushed Nebraska," she said. "So now they can put it up on their lockers, and I hope they get excited for next year.""
That's pretty funny right there.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 19, 2005 8:57:11 GMT -5
I think everyone is just blowing this way out of proportion, it's not that a big deal because what if Nebraska had won and Tomasevic did the same as Pavan, don't you think a Nebraska player would have mentioned it like Tomasevic did? Regardless if Nebraska won and Tomasevic did the same as Pavan it is still not right...sportmanship is sportmanship it doesn't differ from person to person it is the same for all. We will never know if Pavan would have made it a big deal like Tomasevic did because Washington won, but the point is that it is jus poor sportmanship by Pavan to not shake hands and jus shows immaturity on her part and it would be the same if the roles were reversed. But I do agree about Tomasevic's words about crushing Nebraska is getting blown way out of proportion. It was unnecessary for Cook to bring that up to his team. I know he was jus trying to hype them up, but it shouldn't be used in that way. This whole thing has jus been blown up too much. They all play the same sport and love the same sport, they don't have to like each other, but they should have enough class and respect for eachother to shake hands at the end of the match.
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Post by Go Iowa on Dec 19, 2005 9:59:48 GMT -5
Well, if Pavan's lacking class, I'd say Sanja is as well (in this situation). Good for her team for winning it all, but her statement of "hang that up in your locker" is pathetic, especially since she isn't coming back for her... uhhhh... 10th year. It's a lot easier to say those things and run that it is to stay and defend.
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Post by vbking on Dec 19, 2005 10:26:29 GMT -5
This thing is being blown way out of proportion. Pavan plays with class and conducts herself with class at all times. Tomasevic talks way too much. I prefer to think that her ignorance of the english language makes her come across as classless. Or maybe she just is classless.
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Post by BadKnees on Dec 19, 2005 10:36:23 GMT -5
Cook's use of the quote does not reflect well on him. It is possible to use motivation very differently. Mike Montgomery was the coach of Stanford's Men' BB team. He started something very unusual. The Pac-10 teams travel in pairs and have to fly everywhere. He got together with the Cal coach and they started sharing a chartered plane. As much as he wanted to share the expenses, he said he wanted to make the intense Stanford/Cal rivalry into a friendly one and AFAIK, it worked. Mike got what he deserved and is now the Warriors coach. For the first time in a long time, they have a winning record.
T's comments, carrying around the trophy, the N girls not shaking hands, all this is NOTHING. These are kids and the emotions must be overwhelming. They all reacted in predictable and normal ways. A little different behavior would have been nice, but who cares about these minor missteps? One of pleasures of women's sports is that this kind of thing is about the worst you see.
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Post by PukaPants on Dec 19, 2005 12:41:32 GMT -5
Good for Tomasavich! I applaud her comment. I'd be pissed too after being misquoted and then have a coach who should know better used her misquoted statement as motivation for his team when what they really should have focused on was what was lacking on their own side of the court - back row defense and passing!
You people have spent too much time bitching about nonsense. Obviously, the better team won. They came with a better gameplan. They were better prepared by an extremely brilliant coach. They played fearless. I have never seen UW play all season until the finals. I've seen UN play several times, and they were my pick to win.
It didn't take longer than the first two points of the 1st game for me to see that UW played a style of volleyball that was worthy of a championship and better than anything other schools had to offer.
Simply put, UW was out of this world.
(The bitching about sportsmanship/conduct usually come from the fans of the losers)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 12:51:32 GMT -5
What are you talking about? Almost all of the "bitching" has been about Pavan, not Sanja.
Personally, I think ALL of it, from the initial quote to Nebraska's reaction, to the post-game has ALL been blown out of proportion here. I seriously doubt any of the coaches or players care.
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Post by fromohtosf on Dec 19, 2005 12:54:40 GMT -5
" Tomasevic says it involved UCLA and repeated that assertion Saturday night.
"But now I can say out loud: We crushed Nebraska," she said. "So now they can put it up on their lockers, and I hope they get excited for next year."" That's pretty funny right there. Yeah it is funny that is came from a 25 year old WOMAN that at that age should know better. I liked Washington up until that point. I think Stanford should petition to get Logan Tom back for one more year with all the drama of the war in the United States the past few years and all.
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Post by PukaPants on Dec 19, 2005 12:58:04 GMT -5
To the poster above: CRYBABY! Tomasevic is justified in that statement. Nebraska (thanks for a poor coaching decision to use a Tomasevic misquote as a season long motivator) deserved to be "crushed' and a crushing they did get!
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