AVCA POLL 10/09

[Deleted]

Oh. Another thing. It's the GW Bush poll. Once you make a mistake, whatever you do don't correct it! Just pretend you were right all along.

Staying the course, with the AVCA...

[The Bofa on the Sofa]

ruffda said:

People don't want to listen to me...

The worse part about the poll is that it rewards easy schedules...

That's not the poll's fault, it is the attitude that "as long as they win, they deserve to stay" view.

See the Why is Nebraska #1 thread. The rationale is not based on anything they have done to show they are good, but solely on the fact that they were #1 to start the season, and have not lost. IOW, the discussion reinforces the system of where you were last week and punishment that is endemic to all rankings polls. You are going to have to change the attitude that "as long as you win" you are ok.

Pablo, of course, has no such qualms. As a result, Minnesta and Purdue basically traded places this week, despite the fact that Purdue won twice and Minnesota lost once.

[edburby]

This is the WORST poll I've seen from the AVCA in a long time.

Hawaii, Wisc, OSU, and Minn were all placed wrong. Yikes. Again, how much influence does this poll have on NCAA seeding??

[IdahoBoy]

edburby said:

This is the WORST poll I've seen from the AVCA in a long time.

Hawaii, Wisc, OSU, and Minn were all placed wrong. Yikes. Again, how much influence does this poll have on NCAA seeding??

Not a lick.... and that's not necessarily a good thing..

[spikerthemovie]

It is too a good thing. The more the NCAA seeders ignore the poll and look at -- oh, I don't know -- strength of schedule, mitigating factors in losses and wins, weak conferences that somehow got a free pass into the AVCA rankings despite only playing each other, etc. -- the better the brackets will be.

[beachman]

idahoboy said:

I was right about Hawaii jumping 4 spots.

How the hell do you move up 4 spots when you are PLAYING ABSOLUTELY NOBODY???

[beachman]

jt said:

maninyellowhat said:

On the road Minnesota beats a team that is ranked 10 spots above them and moves up one spot. I'm surprised they didn't go down.

We didn't move up. Pepperdine fell out from above us, and no one else was there to fill the void.

On the other hand, we got more than twice as many points/votes (277) as last week (120).

Pepperdine has better quality losses than Hawaii has wins?

[spikerthemovie]

I do think that's the biggest puzzle. As much as I agree that Minnesota should be about ten notches higher on the poll, I can at least see what's sticking in the voters' craws: five losses (and yes there are reasons for them and yes the NCAA penalties stuck and yes and yes). But the Hawaii thing is really idiotic, especially since there's no end in sight on their puffball schedule for the rest of the season.

[JT]

Hawaii moved up because they didn't lose lose.

If teams above you lose, and you don't, they fall below you, and by default, you rise.

#10 LSU had to fall... lost to Alabama (Pablo rank #65)
#11 Texas could (and did) rise up into 10th place.
#12 Santa Clara had to fall... lost to Loyola Marymount (Pablo #45)
#13 Wisconsin had to fall... lost to PSU and OSU
#14 Ohio State had to fall... lost to Minnesota
#15 Hawaii could (and did) rise.
#16 Utah could (and did) rise, but there was no reason to have them rise above Hawaii.
#17 Missouri could (and did) rise, but there was no reason to have them rise above Utah or Hawaii.


The only thing that could have been different would be for LSU to have fallen from 10th to 11th place. That would have left a vacuum that would only pull Hawaii up to 12th place.

[Gorf]

Rank	Team	Conference	Points	Record	Prev. Rank	Diff.	Prev. Points	Diff.
1	Nebraska	Big 12	1476	15-0	1	0	1473	3
2	Penn State	Big 10	1451	17-0	2	0	1450	1
3	UCLA	Pac 10	1387	19-0	3	0	1391	-4
4	USC	Pac 10	1325	17-0	4	0	1321	4
5	Washington	Pac 10	1252	14-3	5	0	1234	18
6	Stanford	Pac 10	1207	13-2	6	0	1210	-3
7	California	Pac 10	1093	14-2	7	0	1142	-49
8	Florida	SEC	1089	14-2	8	0	1049	40
9	Purdue	Big 10	1016	15-2	9	0	953	63
10	Texas	Big 12	914	11-4	11	1	872	42
11	Hawaii	WAC	744	11-4	15	4	641	103
12	Utah	Mountain West	740	15-2	16	4	622	118
13	LSU	SEC	727	15-2	10	-3	910	-183
14	Wisconsin	Big 10	645	12-4	13	-1	778	-133
15	Missouri	Big 12	629	13-4	17	2	500	129
16	Ohio State	Big 10	619	13-3	14	-2	694	-75
17	Santa Clara	West Coast	607	12-4	12	-5	825	-218
18	Tennessee	SEC	501	15-3	18	0	487	14
19	BYU	Mountain West	426	15-2	19	0	439	-13
20	Cal Poly	Big West	410	13-4	20	0	398	12
21	Ohio	Mid America	312	14-3	21	0	306	6
22	San Diego	West Coast	285	14-4	22	0	186	99
23	Minnesota	Big 10	277	11-5	24	1	120	157
24	Oklahoma	Big 12	157	14-3	25	1	99	58
25	New Mexico State	WAC	42	10-1	26	1	86	-44
26	Duke	ACC	31	?	29	3	31	0
27	Pepperdine	West Coast	27	?	23	-4	182	-155
28	Loyola Marymount	West Coast	23	?	34	6	7	16
29	St. Johns	Big East	20	?	31	2	11	9
30	LBSU	Big West	16	?	28	-2	14	2
31	Colorado	Big 12	11	?	33	2	9	2
32	Sacramento State	Big Sky	10	?	30	-2	11	-1
33	Alabama	SEC	9	?	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
34	Bowling Green	MAC	4	?	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
35	Oregon	Pac 10	4	?	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
36	Saint Mary's	West Coast	4	?	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
37	Baylor	Big 12	3	?	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
		Unlisted Points	17
		Total Points:	19510
	Conference	Teams Ranked	Rank Diff.	Point Diff.
1	Pac 10	6	0	-34
2	Big 12	6	6	234
3	Big 10	5	-2	13
4	Big East	1	2	9
5	SEC	4	-3	-129
6	West Coast	5	-3	-258
7	Mountain West	2	-3	105
8	Big West	2	-2	14
9	WAC	2	5	59
10	Mid America	1	0	6
11	ACC	1	3	0
12	MAC	1	0	0
13	Big Sky	1	-2	-1
	Total Teams:	37

[Wolfgang]

Stop yer complainin'! The AVCA poll does not determine the champion.

[Gorf]

Purdue (+40), Hawaii (+63), and Texas (+42) beat unranked teams - including Purdue and Texas both being taken to 5 games by unranked teams and all three gain points.

New Mexico State loses 44 points but moves up a spot.

The Ohio / Cal Poly mixup from 2 weeks ago still hasn't been corrected.

Pepperdine is still getting votes but fell out of the top 25.

Alabama, Bowling Green,, Oregon, Saint Mary's, and Baylor (re)join the getting votes section.

[Gorf]

wolfgang said:

Stop yer complainin'! The AVCA poll does not determine the champion.

Stop yer complainin about some unnamed poster complainin!

[IdahoBoy]

beachman said:

idahoboy said:

I was right about Hawaii jumping 4 spots.

How the hell do you move up 4 spots when you are PLAYING ABSOLUTELY NOBODY???

Easy, don't lose to a bunch of pansies like Long Beach does.

[The Bofa on the Sofa]

jt said:

The only thing that could have been different would be for LSU to have fallen from 10th to 11th place. That would have left a vacuum that would only pull Hawaii up to 12th place.

LSU got sockered pretty hard here, but I'm not sure it is not out of the ordinary. When UNI lost to Bradley when UNI was ranked #7, they dropped below at least 4 teams, and it could have been as many as 6 (however, because other teams they dropped from 7 to 10). LSU took a hit of 5 spots here, so that is consistent with the previous treatment of highly ranked teams that lost ugly.

It could have gone either way, I think, and not been too out of character.