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Post by PukaPants on Oct 9, 2006 16:34:32 GMT -5
Congrats to the Utes! No. 12.....
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Post by beachman on Oct 9, 2006 19:56:38 GMT -5
How the hell do you move up 4 spots when you are PLAYING ABSOLUTELY NOBODY??? Easy, don't lose to a bunch of pansies like Long Beach does. Nebraska and Cal Poly pansies??? Other than Hawaii you ain't got a single team in the WAC that is as good as Cal Poly, LBS or UCSB..Oregon.....not a bad team, certainly better than anything in the WAC that's for sure!
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Post by Rus Socoli on Oct 9, 2006 20:32:12 GMT -5
And Hawaii's losses are to #3 UCLA, #6 Stanford and to underrated #8 Florida.
The loss to Cal Poly was a wash as Hawaii beat them also.
Now, who did the Beach lose to?
I thought so too. ;D
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Post by Rus Socoli on Oct 9, 2006 20:32:56 GMT -5
And Hawaii's losses are to #3 UCLA, #6 Stanford and to underrated #8 Florida. The loss to Cal Poly was a wash as Hawaii beat them also. Now, who did the Beach lose to? I thought so too. ;D
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Post by Rus Socoli on Oct 9, 2006 20:36:02 GMT -5
Hawaii moved up because they didn't lose lose. If teams above you lose, and you don't, they fall below you, and by default, you rise. #10 LSU had to fall... lost to Alabama (Pablo rank #65) #11 Texas could (and did) rise up into 10th place. #12 Santa Clara had to fall... lost to Loyola Marymount (Pablo #45) #13 Wisconsin had to fall... lost to PSU and OSU #14 Ohio State had to fall... lost to Minnesota #15 Hawaii could (and did) rise. #16 Utah could (and did) rise, but there was no reason to have them rise above Hawaii. #17 Missouri could (and did) rise, but there was no reason to have them rise above Utah or Hawaii. The only thing that could have been different would be for LSU to have fallen from 10th to 11th place. That would have left a vacuum that would only pull Hawaii up to 12th place. Thanks JT, At least a guy from Minnesota knows what he's talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2006 20:39:52 GMT -5
Ohio State was an interesting example. They fell even though they beat a higher ranked team. Just another case of it being a poll of punishments, not rewards.
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 9, 2006 20:45:57 GMT -5
What now, Ruffda? Oy...
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Post by VBwatcher on Oct 9, 2006 20:50:40 GMT -5
Hawaii moved up because they didn't lose lose. If teams above you lose, and you don't, they fall below you, and by default, you rise. #10 LSU had to fall... lost to Alabama (Pablo rank #65) #11 Texas could (and did) rise up into 10th place. #12 Santa Clara had to fall... lost to Loyola Marymount (Pablo #45) #13 Wisconsin had to fall... lost to PSU and OSU #14 Ohio State had to fall... lost to Minnesota #15 Hawaii could (and did) rise. #16 Utah could (and did) rise, but there was no reason to have them rise above Hawaii. #17 Missouri could (and did) rise, but there was no reason to have them rise above Utah or Hawaii. The only thing that could have been different would be for LSU to have fallen from 10th to 11th place. That would have left a vacuum that would only pull Hawaii up to 12th place. I like this logical progression
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Post by VBwatcher on Oct 9, 2006 20:52:25 GMT -5
Easy, don't lose to a bunch of pansies like Long Beach does. Now, now, don't pick on LBSU
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Post by JT on Oct 9, 2006 20:57:01 GMT -5
Thanks JT, At least a guy from Minnesota knows what he's talking about. No prob. that doesn't mean I think it's right, of course. But it's how the poll works. (R)uffda could have said the same exact thing (and has stated the general principles that the AVCA poll follows). The same basic thing happened in 2004, when MN jumped from number 5 to number 1 in the poll. They had to do it, because the top four teams all lost that weekend. The AVCA poll doesn't generally reward a winning team. It punishes losing teams (often, even if they " should" have lost).
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 9, 2006 21:07:10 GMT -5
JT is the only sane Minnesota fan on this thread.
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Post by ugopher on Oct 9, 2006 21:33:41 GMT -5
The one illogical item about JT's assumptions is "had to fall". Go back to earlier in the year when Cal lost and rose in the ranks.
Still not sure how OSU drops 2 spots in the rankings while splitting during the weekend. WI loses 2 matches and only drops one spot.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Oct 9, 2006 21:58:42 GMT -5
Stanford beats #7 Cal pretty easily and looses 3 points. Both USC and UCLA gain points for beating the Arizona schools but the Arizona schools took a couple of games from them. And UW goes to Oregon and lets them take a game off them, but still gains points. Hawaii sweeps to easy teams, and gains 108 points. Something is really wrong with this poll.
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Post by beachman on Oct 9, 2006 22:05:46 GMT -5
And Hawaii's losses are to #3 UCLA, #6 Stanford and to underrated #8 Florida. The loss to Cal Poly was a wash as Hawaii beat them also. Now, who did the Beach lose to? I thought so too. ;D Ah Rus, you are so smart.......oh well, that's life I guess.....however the way I see it hawaii's chances are about as good as Long Beach's when it comes to playing in a Regional final
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Post by Gorf on Oct 9, 2006 22:08:41 GMT -5
Stanford beats #7 Cal pretty easily and looses 3 points. Both USC and UCLA gain points for beating the Arizona schools but the Arizona schools took a couple of games from them. And UW goes to Oregon and lets them take a game off them, but still gains points. Hawaii sweeps to easy teams, and gains 108 points. Something is really wrong with this poll. Cal moved up one spot that week largely because Texas had a worse loss than call and dropped multiple spots in the poll. Though is was odd that Cal gained ~50 points after losing a match.
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