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Post by Gorf on Feb 14, 2005 23:04:22 GMT -5
I remember talking about all the extra security and wondering what was going on. That was the highest settings I'd noticed on the security scanners since about the time of the first conflict in Iraq back in the early 90s.
I remember hearing that the mayor of San Francisco and multiple members of congress also "mysteriously" cancelling their flights for 9/11 as well.
I wonder if it could be possible that we have an imposter Bill in our midst now!
He's been acting somewhat strange of late for sure with all these "conservative" based comments.
I was thinking he was just being humorous, now I have to wonder if he's really a pod person or something!
OMG! I wonder if GWB is a pod person too!
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 15, 2005 15:37:26 GMT -5
Yes ..I love security at airports.. Can I drive to some away games this year? The only good thing about being bumped from a flight is I get my laptop fixed.... Voting for President Bush should get me thru automatically.....except for that certain NW friend who like to see me sweat...more. At least you'all dont hate me.... ....yet Dean said he Hates all Republicans and what they stand for...now that's Family Values... From Saturday Nite....The Democrats have decided to start/Go in a bold ,new direction ..placing Hillary Clinton as front runner for the next election.. Translation, Another way for them to get their As#$% handed to them ... Again... ;D
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Post by Gorf on Feb 15, 2005 21:36:07 GMT -5
Yes ..I love security at airports.. Can I drive to some away games this year? The only good thing about being bumped from a flight is I get my laptop fixed.... That was before I learned you were a "conservative". GWB's budget cuts reported have a larger negative impact on states that voted for him than for states that didn't vote for him. That's GWB's special way of showing his appreciation. At least not as far as you know Bill. Some of us are the "quiet type" so you need to keep your guard up. While his saying that is rather dumb, at least AFAIK he never claimed to have "moral values". Hilary vs. Alhnuld? That would be an "interesting" election - especially after the first time Ahnuld calls Hilary a "girly man" and has to be reminded by the folks on his election committee that she isn't a man and he needs to come up with a different put down for a woman.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2005 23:55:08 GMT -5
Here's what I want to know:
How does adding $2 trillion in additional debt "save" Social Security?
Why are we borrowing the money to pay for W's war in Iraq? If it's the right thing to do, why aren't we being asked to pay for it now? If it's worth 1200+ lives (not to mention the obscene numbers of Iraqi casualties), why aren't we being asked to pay for it now?
This guy is beyond pathetic and I think maybe, just maybe, people are finally realizing just how pathetic.
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 16, 2005 20:28:22 GMT -5
I am just a simple construction dude...no brainiac..but ..
We are paying for it now...
and the liberals should count their lucky stars...
and allowing 2% for our own investments is not going to cost that much..an inflated democratic position..
If Democrats are so worried..and they should be.. Where is THEIR Plan to save SS... Health care..?
In L.A or New York?....Vermont?
No wonder New England is so bad...High Taxes ...old buildings and old ideas...
Remember the movie.. Other Peoples Money?
They are still building Union buggy whips The best ones too... HollyWood Save us.....
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Post by Gorf on Feb 17, 2005 2:12:42 GMT -5
I am just a simple construction dude...no brainiac..but .. We are paying for it now... If we're paying for it now why is the national debt increasing at record levels under GWB? Apparently "2%" for your own investments WILL cost that much. Even the GWB team's own people are saying with will force them to borrow $2 trillion. The even worse thing about it is that private account do NOTHING to fix the "impending social security crisis" and is actually more likely to make the problem worse because the money that goes into your private account is no longer available as social security funds. If you take your "2%" to be invested in your private account and you actually do make a profit on the investments you're going to lose 3% of those profits off the top to the government. As with 401K's you're going to be paying the cost of the people selected by the government to manage the funds made available to the private accounts. After that you're only going to keep for yourself the amount that exceeds the "2%" that you borrowed form what you would originally have owed to the social security fund had you not taken your "2%". Even after all of that if you still have a profit left, you still don't get to simply take it for your own usage. It gets treated as an annuity and you only get to take the amount of profit that is in excess of what ever is considered to be the poverty level during the years after you've retired. If you don't make a profit, break even, or make only a marginal profit you're no better off than you would have been without your private account. Plus, wether you've made a profit or not you would have been part of adding another $2 trillion to the national debt. www.factcheck.org/article305.htmlActually there plan would more likely be to accelerate the raising of the social security upper salary limit. Instead of slowly increasing as it has been for years it would potentially be raised to somewhere between $140,000 - $200,000. Many people have suggested changing the amount paid by social security to increase based on price indexing instead of wage indexing since wages raise faster than prices. Those old buildings are probably considerable sturdier than the new pieces of junk being built these days. Plus, speaking of old ideas. Isn't GWB just using Reagan's ideas of heavy decifit spending? Accuse the "liberals" of being big spenders then as "conservatives" spend even more, cut taxes so the country's earnings are lower, lie about how much your spending in order to get worthless bills passed - then announce that you were WAY low on your estimates for the cost of the worthless bills. GWB has already increased the national debt to a level that will be practically impossible to pay off and he's working on making it a definite impossibility to pay off bey the time he's out of office. As it currently stands it would take in the neighborhood of a $400 trillion budgetary surplus to simply NOT INCREASE to the national debt.
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Post by itsallaboutme on Feb 17, 2005 8:48:41 GMT -5
Gorf, your wasting your time with guys like gopher & BIK who don't question anything GW does. They don't care that GW's SS proposals don't add up & likely will bankrupt SS years earlier. SS does not need major changes to shore it up.
I will state it again. Most of the people that voted for GW care about one & only one issue and that is ABORTION. They believe GW will appoint Judges that will eventually overturn Roe v Wade. So, that is their only issue & everything else is unimportant. If all things being the same but GW & Kerry were to switch positions on abortion Kerry would have won with a true mandate.
Those who's only issue is abortion don't care about anything else so that is why it is laughable when they attemp to support his other proposals because they are uninformed & don't really care. It's a stupid reason to elect the leader of the free world but that is there right. For me I don't care one way or another on the abortion issue so it was easy for me to see that Kerry was the better man & GW has made a long list of bad policy & stupid decisions. All GW has to do is wave a bible in the air and all the "born agains" wet them selves. It's a very calculated politcal move on Bush's team & I really doubt he's as religious as is spouts in public.
Meanwhile Mrs.Bush plays the part of "June Cleaver" the adoring wife who's at home baking cookies & retrieves GW slippers when he gets home. Gosh, if we could just bet back the 1960's when women stayed home & kept there mouthshut. That's what these Neocons wish for. Thats why they fear Hilliary, she very smart, very articulate & very clever. What I would give to see GW & Hilliary in a debate.....she would slaughter him.
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 17, 2005 9:37:37 GMT -5
Abortion? And Mrs Clever?
I guess we could have elected all democrats forever... and have Same sex taught in school instead of traditional subjects....No Xmas..No "under God" anymore....we could even have inter specie marriage...multiple partners...think of our freedom! Clones of Mr.Clinton....newly carved on Mt.Rushmore..Father of anything goes in moral values
HollyWood would be the new national Capitol...much more in tune with what America wants and needs..
College ,high school and elementary teachers paid several million per year....to "train" our childern correctly to values that really count. Its not about freedom of thought..only what really matters ..what democrats want.
No proffessional teams would be allowed....in any sport.That only leads to the thinking that superior TALENT AND EFFORT leads to a better life ...and the money could be used to pay our teachers! Instead of wasting out time on these things we could be cleaning the environment...planting green gardens...and Ban all our guns.No hunting of fishing allowed...PETA rules!....No red meat..no smoking..No drinking...All un healthy..and the government pays for all health care so cant we expect you to meet some qualifications and standards? All McDs Banned... No fast Food allowed...
All jobs would be UNION...since you wouldnt see any of your own money anyway...what would be left after taxes would go to Union dues to help "educated the masses"
No atvs,no snomobiles...no cars...
90% tax rates ..so everyone could have FREE health care and a WONDERFULL life complete with a boundiful retirement..all paid for by everyone else...
Cheap and easy and free Borders...No need to patrol them anymore...since we are every thing to everybody...why would terrorist want to hurt us?
We could scrap our military...no need to protect ourselves...and we couldnt afford it any way...we need to pay for everyones retirement...
We would all need to wear those silly tweed hats....
Everyone would ride free government bikes....think of the money saved ..as well as our environment...
And we would be confident in our government..after they gave us everything ..what harm could they possibly do to us?
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 17, 2005 9:53:18 GMT -5
Republicans Fear Hillary?
She very smart ,very clever...very attorney,very lying and decietful woman who put womens rights back for personal gain. Being able to win a debate proves nada..
Jesse Vs Hillary...
Jesse wins easily.....
You think The Republicans couldnt bring up all her past dirt for public display? She has more than anyone in public life except for Kenedy..Republicans are willing and able to beat her ...if it wasnt for her husband she would still be in Arkansas anwering about those land scandles.
Representing American values?
HA....
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Post by itsallaboutme on Feb 17, 2005 10:01:18 GMT -5
Gee, Gopher not too extreme are you. I guess I hit it right on.
Ok, Let me see if I can come up with something just as stupid as your response.
Zero tax rate on the Rich. Hand-ups to the rich!!!
Religion enforced in "Public schools" because for some reason religious freaks can't get enough in there on schools or churchs. Screw people of other religions, we will only push Gophers religion in all schools.
Re-write the constitution so that freedom of religion is still in it but only if your a Christian. (defined by a few)
Go after Gays because it's easier then dealing with the real problems with marriage. Just think if Gays could legally marriage!!! Wow straight couples would not no how to behave. They might drive into walls, put their shoes on wrong in the morning. Think of the turmoil in there lives if two people who love each other and are of the same sex were to get married. So, outlaw the Gays or even better send them to their own island. ( one problem with that is it would be come the top vacation location because of the great places to eat & stay. It would be extremely clean with virtually no crime)
Multiple partners?? isn't that a Morman thing?
All Dems are poor
Even Warren Buffet would have to turn over his billions to ride free gov. bikes because he's a Dem.
That was my worthless reply to gopher's worthless reply.
I right on the Abortion thing Gopher ...and you know it.
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 17, 2005 10:29:36 GMT -5
We wouldnt have Warren Buffet bacause there would be no need.. I supported multiple partners...That's religious freedom. I supported not descriminating against gays in the early 70's In California..probably before you were born.
Thats before they wanted to have parades and teach our kids it was a real alternative to standard marriage.That was before Aids...before they wanted to show and flaunt a gay lifestyle in public. I never needed to show or flaunt or parade my traditional marriage lifestyle...Why do they?
Abortion is just part of the equation...something a Democrat will never figure out..my friends will tell you I support a womens right to it...Church and seperation of state are very much a concern to me...
My posting about about a dream democrat society shows all my fears ..where personal freedom and willingness to work harder and do more are not rewarded. Where I am taxed so others can have a free ride. Where we are weak in national defense... as well as in moral values. Where allow others to call us stupid,unknowing because we choose to beleve in something different.
My grandfather was part of NW Arkansas democratic leadership that help elect Clinton to governor..I may know something about that..
I am a second generation Union worker...30 years..I think I know something about Unions..and how they work. And being over 50 gives me several decades of more experience over some of you...in seeing polical tends and cycles. Youth is served in sports ..not really in politics or debate.
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Post by itsallaboutme on Feb 17, 2005 11:42:01 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing some real info Gopher.
I too have been a Union worker for 20 years. I am not, nor have I ever been a Democrat. I once was a registered Repub but have been staunchly INDEPENDANT FOR OVER 20 YEARS!!!.
I don't like either party, I vote for who I think is best for a position regardless of party affiliation
Dream Democrat?? Please!! I know a lot of Dems & note one holds the extreme views you posted. Repubs love to define liberals & their stances. I'm liberal but if you were to apply the defintions that have been assigned by right-wing freaks like Rush & his ilk then I would not be a lib under their description.
I was born in 1960 so I'm not that young.
As a Gay man I will try to explain but I doubt it will help.
Traditional marriage is in our face every place we look. TV, malls, parks you name it. Do you fear if you & your wife are holding hands in the park that you might get beat up because your straight? Do you have to deal with descrimination at every turn because you are straight?
Gays like to get to gether with lots of other gays in parades because it one of the few times they can feel completely comfortable because they are surrounded by people of like feelings. Is that so hard to understand?? ( I personally don't do parades but marched in Washington in 92. very liberating experience)
Traditional marriage is flaunted every minute of every day in front of gays.
My partner & I have been together 10 years & during that time he has been part of 2 lay-offs. This required him to pay for his own insurance at a considerable expense. I could not include him on mine because we are not married/civil service.
Now if I was straight I could go to Vegas & a marriage a complete stranger I had just met. The same people who are against gay marriage because it Hurts the sanctity of marriage will spend there evening watching some TV show where the viewing public gets to pick who gets married to marry who or some similar situation. That type of stuff is a huge slap in the face to gay people who are hurting NO ONE.
AIDS. Wow, sure it has really hurt the Gay community in this country but overall, World Wide AIDS is killing far more straights. You deny the one institution that promotes monogamy but then want to condem the same people as being promiscuous. Go figure!!!.
Discrimination is always going to bring out those that are affected to demonstrate & put it out there. End the discrimination and there will be no need to flaunt it.
We're not that far apart in years so the Youth comment does not apply. Some would say being over 50 means your out of touch with the real world. I'm not one of those but eveyone has different life experiences that are what determine there political leanings. Most young kids vote however they parents do but will likely change once they have lived awhile.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Feb 17, 2005 11:49:12 GMT -5
Gorf, your wasting your time with guys like gopher & BiK who don't question anything GW does. I don't think Gorf would view his posts as a waste of time. He enjoys the banter. I'm sure he knows we will never see eye to eye on political matters. I will state it again. Most of the people that voted for GW care about one & only one issue and that is ABORTION. They believe GW will appoint Judges that will eventually overturn Roe v Wade. So, that is their only issue & everything else is unimportant. If all things being the same but GW & Kerry were to switch positions on abortion Kerry would have won with a true mandate. Kerry lost because people did not trust him. Plain and simple. Many people may not like Bush but at least they knew where the man stood. I don't think many Americans knew where Kerry stood. As the good President put it, Kerry "waivered in the wind." The democrats have only their own ineptness to blame. Look at who now heads the DNC. A guy who is so far to the left that he makes Kerry look like a moderate, lol. These people will never learn. The GOP doesn't have to beat the dems, they do a good job of beating themselves. Let me go on record to say that I am PRO choice. I don't agree with those who are trying to overturn Roe vs Wade and I think those yahoos who blow up abortion clinics etc are nothing more than terrorists. Do they even give a second of thought to what happens to the child after they are born? I think not. I voted for Bush because right or wrong he does what he thinks is best for America INSPITE of the Europeans. INSPITE of the corrupt UN. Meanwhile Mrs.Bush plays the part of "June Cleaver" the adoring wife who's at home baking cookies & retrieves GW slippers when he gets home. Gosh, if we could just bet back the 1960's when women stayed home & kept there mouthshut. That's what these Neocons wish for. Thats why they fear Hilliary, she very smart, very articulate & very clever. What I would give to see GW & Hilliary in a debate.....she would slaughter him. Mrs. Bush is doing exactly what she should be doing, letting the President run the Country. When Clinton was in office, most people thought Hillary was the VP instead of Gore. It sure seemed as though she was calling the shots. Fwiw I don't think the GOP is too concerned with Hillary as a candidate for the Presidency in 2008. If she is, that will most certainly assure the GOP that it continues to hold the Country's highest office and once again it will expose the ineptitude of a party that is no longer attuned to today's America.
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Post by itsallaboutme on Feb 17, 2005 12:03:59 GMT -5
I too truely doubt that Hilliary will run for President. My guess is that the next President will be John McCain.
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Post by Gorf on Feb 17, 2005 13:49:32 GMT -5
We wouldnt have Warren Buffet bacause there would be no need.. I supported multiple partners...That's religious freedom. I supported not descriminating against gays in the early 70's In California..probably before you were born. Thats before they wanted to have parades and teach our kids it was a real alternative to standard marriage.That was before Aids...before they wanted to show and flaunt a gay lifestyle in public. I never needed to show or flaunt or parade my traditional marriage lifestyle...Why do they? Most gays don't "flaunt" their lives, just as most religious people are part of the old "moral majority" that is a minority. If you base your fears and raise your angst because of a minority of a minority you've got a "bit" of a problem. Abortion rates drop more with "liberals" in office, and have actually been prone to rising with "conservatives" in office. If you're truly religious (at least if your religion is based on Christianity) then you know that Jesus premise was for freedom of choice not for forcing your own "moral values" on others. The "moral values" of the so called "convservatives" appear to be all about forcing what they believe is right on everyone else in the country (and world.) Under the reign of GWB the number of people on wellfare and food stamps has risen. The number of people on food stamps in his own hom state of Texas has increased by over 75% since he was first elected president. The number of people that have no health coverage has dramatically increase under GWB's reign. Our military spending is at a level that is it now at is equal to roughly half of the military spending done by all countries in the entire world. Our national defense spending has increased significantly yet those involved in providing our national defense are in more of a state of chaos now than they were before GWB was first elected and we get lots of money spent on things like a special missile defense system that has failed every test to this point. It seems that your dreams of something "different" are meant to make more and more people poorer so you can feel richer and have more people to whine about getting a "free ride". Nice dreams.
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