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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Feb 22, 2005 12:02:58 GMT -5
[quote author=Gorflink=board=news&thread=1108311149&start=55#3 date=1109082494]
Which people are you finding that are trying to "toss the idea of traditional marriages out the window"?[/quote]
I'd say about half of the people getting married these days.
[quote author=Gorflink=board=news&thread=1108311149&start=55#3 date=1109082494]
The gay population of our country are trying to force non-gays to stop getting married?[/quote]
Well they are discriminating against the all the people trying to marry their dogs by lobbying congress to define marriage as a union between 2 humans.
[quote author=Gorflink=board=news&thread=1108311149&start=55#3 date=1109082494] The people that apparently want to "force their agenda on the rest of the country" are the religious bigots that can't deal with anyone that wants to live in a manner other than their own view of a perfect lifestyle. Wanting to change the constitution to fit their idea of what's right rather than allowing for the freedoms of others.[/quote]
Okay I lost you after people.
[quote author=Gorflink=board=news&thread=1108311149&start=55#3 date=1109082494] Also, by what method do you define "majority"?[/quote]
I usually use the alfredrythmic method.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Feb 22, 2005 12:11:24 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1108311149&start=59#3 date=1109091217]
Biggots like me? I may be an ahole on the board at times but I am hardly a biggot. [/quote]
Your comments in this thread speak otherwise. About the bigot, part (actually, I don't think you are an ahole. Just an idiot)
OTOH, perhaps I should follow the old guideline about not attributing to malice that can also be ascribed to stupidity.
Regardless, the role of the consitution is to protect the rights of minorities by not letting the government of the people to take them away. Thus, your nonsense about how minorites have "more authority" than the majority is bs. It's not that the minorities have more authority, it is that the majority DOES NOT HAVE the authority to take away rights from the minority.
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 22, 2005 12:41:54 GMT -5
Our talk about constitutional rights...
Is it wrong to expect on my mythical island that inter race pairings would occurr..No, a Natural process..
How bout the fact that there may be several with multiple partners?..A stud may attract several women..or a better provider may be able to feed several that attach themselves...
A more appealing woman may have several men... The mormans have this yet how come they dont have a constitutional right to have multiple wifes? Discrimination?...or the fact that this country was founded on Judao Christain teachings? Comparing gay rights to womans and Black American rights is like comparing apples to oranges.
Black Americans cannot help they are black..or that they were brought here against their free will... A woman cannot help but be female...despite role playing..she is to help reproduce our population... Gays fit neither ...They were not BORN GAY but have been educated..or taught that behaviour. They are not part of a natural order..buy one of mankinds influence and making.
Some of the arguments against my logic seem a bit tainted...the only way aids is a part of secluded communities is because it was introduced...similar to bringing the pox to native Americans...which gay behaviour is never mentioned until the 20th century.
In any case ...the behaviour is costing additional monies to be spent...parents with kids whos parents turn gay are effected....wether they want to admit it or not. Bias and predudice run both ways...calling names and labeling someone does not contribute anything... So I will stop.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Feb 22, 2005 12:53:08 GMT -5
They were not BORN GAY but have been educated..or taught that behaviour. Really? Who taught them? Is this all part of the gay recruitment conspiracy?
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Post by itsallaboutme on Feb 22, 2005 13:18:18 GMT -5
BiK my comment was not directed at you.
I've been waiting for Gopher to post the whole Being Gay is learned.
I knew I was gay when I was 14 & up to that time I had never met nor had known a gay person, in fact I didn't meet one until I was 17. 1974 in a small Nebraska town just doesn't lend itself for teaching someone to be gay.
I would hear other kids call someone a FAG or sissy but those endearing terms never really made me wont to be one.
So, Why would someone chose to be Gay or where do they go for schooling. Most of my friends also grew up in very small towns & left them when they realized those are not the best places to live if you're gay.
Gopher, to make a comment like that you have to have some facts to back it up.
The reason Gopher & his ilk need to believe that Gays were not born that way is because that would mean they would have to accept them for who they are & they just can't deal with that.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Feb 22, 2005 14:15:12 GMT -5
BiK my comment was not directed at you. I've been waiting for Gopher to post the whole Being Gay is learned. I knew I was gay when I was 14 & up to that time I had never met nor had known a gay person, in fact I didn't meet one until I was 17. 1974 in a small Nebraska town just doesn't lend itself for teaching someone to be gay. I would hear other kids call someone a FAG or sissy but those endearing terms never really made me wont to be one. So, Why would someone chose to be Gay or where do they go for schooling. Most of my friends also grew up in very small towns & left them when they realized those are not the best places to live if you're gay. Gopher, to make a comment like that you have to have some facts to back it up. The reason Gopher & his ilk need to believe that Gays were not born that way is because that would mean they would have to accept them for who they are & they just can't deal with that. I always envision it something like right or lefthandedness. I don't know if there is any genetic link to being lefthanded (what's the scoop on twin studies in handedness? I think it is slightly correlated, but only very weakly so). Back to the point, there's not a strong genetic link to handedness, but no one would ever suggest that being lefthanded is a learned trait (despite attempts by fathers to make their sons lefthanded). I always figure homosexuality is about the same.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 22, 2005 14:26:45 GMT -5
Gays fit neither ...They were not BORN GAY but have been educated..or taught that behaviour. They are not part of a natural order..buy one of mankinds influence and making. People are born with their sexual yearnings already hard-wired into the core of their beings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2005 14:28:16 GMT -5
I took a correspondence course.
(Now I've got a thing for mailmen. Great.)
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 22, 2005 15:57:57 GMT -5
For the one who knew...
Why not at 5..10 or 13..14 years of age...if you hadnt read about seen it or heard it ..would you know about it?
Utah has the lowest rates for drug use...alchohol use and Binge dringing 70 % of 2.3 million belong to Mormon church..
What states lead? 6 NE states with New Hampshire at 59.8 % for alchohol use. States with drug use...Claifornia,Oregon and Colorado Minnesota leads in binge drinking along with South Dakota presumably after Kerry loses...
So Behaviour is taught....Lefty only golfs left..he is right hand in everything else.
How many gays were converted after a terrible straight relationship..if it was natural then they would have never been straight in the first place...it took several of my gay friends 30 years to discover they were gay..so I guess its not about genetics.But about Choice.
And can you blame Utah and other states for not wanting to support with taxes something that they cannot morally ..
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Post by itsallaboutme on Feb 22, 2005 16:10:53 GMT -5
Why not 5? Your a very sad individual. If I have to explain that to you then you need help
"Converted after a terrible straight relationship" Why do you think it was so terrible. The relationships sucked because they were unhappy because one was gay. Having a failed straight relationship is not a cause of being gay its the results of one being gay and getting married to satisfy family.
Again you have no facts & I doubt you have Gay friends
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 22, 2005 16:15:32 GMT -5
To agent man.. Who teaches gays?
Girls kissing girls on tv/...schools reported many young girls started mimicking after certain kisses. Parades showing same sex partners... MTV .. Queer eye for a straight guy.. The L word..
and liberal press reporting negatives about conservative family values...
If genetics played a part then why has it only exploded % in the last 50 years...? and only in certain parts of the country or world.... I had several friends in California who were Bi...pick or choose what ever met their fancy... They chose their path ...one of least resistance.
Can my life experiences mean I know everything? no... But they do count....I havent lived on my island ... I dont want to let this discussion frame my agenda... Family values mean more...and the thread was education ..not gays.
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Post by goGopherBill on Feb 22, 2005 16:25:40 GMT -5
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Post by itsallaboutme on Feb 22, 2005 16:36:28 GMT -5
Again no facts. TV?? are you serious? So what about everyone of us, including myself who grew-up before there was ever any mention of gays on tv or in the media? Anyway, I done with you since you can provide nothing to back up your silly claims. Everytime you post something you make your self look sillier. YOU HAVE ZERO FACTS & ONLY LIES
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Feb 22, 2005 16:52:15 GMT -5
To agent man.. Who teaches gays? Girls kissing girls on tv/...schools reported many young girls started mimicking after certain kisses. Parades showing same sex partners... MTV .. Queer eye for a straight guy.. The L word.. and liberal press reporting negatives about conservative family values... If genetics played a part then why has it only exploded % in the last 50 years...? 40 years ago, Kinsey reported an incidence of 10%. Now, there are problems with his definitions and sampling, but this gives no indication that it was a non-occurence back then. This, of course, ignores the fact that homosexuality was extremely common 2000 years ago, long before Queer Eye for the Straight Guy ever aired. There is no indication that the incidence of homosexuality has ever exploded. The thing that changes is the _acceptance_ of it. Fifty years ago, gay people didn't come out because they got the snot kicked out of them (or worse). OTOH, at times when it is more accepted, you will see more who are public with it. But gay people in the closet are still gay. I am unaware of any indication that homosexuality is not spread throughout the world and throughout history. Next time you see your bi friends, ask them where they learned to be bi.
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Post by Gorf on Feb 22, 2005 22:03:59 GMT -5
Our talk about constitutional rights... Is it wrong to expect on my mythical island that inter race pairings would occurr..No, a Natural process.. How bout the fact that there may be several with multiple partners?..A stud may attract several women..or a better provider may be able to feed several that attach themselves... Your special island may not even have any marriages at all. ummm... Mormon absolutely do not have or condone multiple wives. You really ought to get your news from a source that reports on things from within the past couple of centuries. Here, I thought it was founded on trying to get away from things like religious persecution and other nice things like taxation that the escapees from the UK didn't care for at the time. Okay, the apples and oranges were prevented from being married before the other fruits. You're a scientist now that knows what exactly what causes two people to be attracted to each other? Its rather amazing that so many other scientists haven't been able to find such an exact determination. Aids is thought to have actually been introduced to humans by a particular strain of monkies. Gays don't actually have much to do with monkies as far as I know. Early spread of aids has been attributed to unprotected sex between gay partners. That doesn't mean it is the only means of spreading it, or even the predominant means of spreading it, it is simply one that appears to show up in at least the early spreading of aids within a specific population. It could be purely anecdotal or superficial evidence. Do you truly believe that homosexual sex had never been mentioned anywhere at all before the twentiet century? Ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah? I think those places are mentioned in the Bible somewhere. Doesn't the term sodomy come from the name of one of those places? BTW: Sodomy doesn't refer to what most people believe. It basically refers to any type of sex between even those of the same sex that isn't "normal". What monies are being spent on gays that isn't being spent on others as well? The expense of trying to change the constitution?
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