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Post by itsallaboutme on Mar 18, 2005 15:22:43 GMT -5
These Congressman have NO business sticking their noses in this.
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Post by goGopherBill on Mar 18, 2005 16:47:15 GMT -5
I AGREE TOTALLY...
Whats even worse is that congress is using her rights to negotiate and broker other deals...
Its a lesson to have that in your living will...
Most Americans dont even have one.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Mar 19, 2005 0:49:08 GMT -5
Maybe you should get more facts on the entire situation before passing judgement. It isn't as cut-and-dried as the media would like to explain it. Here are some useful links: www.terrisfight.orgwww.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1361145/postsFacts that the media has conveniently glossed over: -Michael Schiavo has another family, including 2 kids, with his fiance Jodi Centonze, with whom he has been living with for 10 years. -Terri Schiavo is technically not on life support, so in essence they are not "pulling the plug" on her, but rather starving her to death. -Michael Schiavo is taking this action solely on the basis that his wife once told him she would not want to live this way, which of course cannot be verified since she did not have a living will. However, seeing as Terri (Schindler) Schiavo was raise in a Roman Catholic family, it would seem to be against her ideology and her faith that she would opt for that decision. -Michael Schiavo could easily divorce Terri Schiavo, and turn over legal guardianship to her parents, and get on with his life and his new family. Terry Schiavo's situation is different than someone who is on life-support. Other than the fact that she needs to be fed 3x a day through a tube, there is nothing preventing her from living out the rest of her natural life in this "persistive vegitative state". She is not completely brain dead, there is evidence that she still does respond to stimulus. For comparison, my grandmother (before she passed away at 89) suffered a very serious stroke several years before she passed away, and needed to be fed through a tube. The stroke took away most of her motor function, as well as her speech. So she could not communicate with any of our family, and was at best semi-responsive to us when we visited her in the assisted care home. Should we have discontinued her feeding as well and let her starve to death? |
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Post by vbfan on Mar 19, 2005 15:51:33 GMT -5
You actually read freerepublic. That site is filled with nothing but a bunch of rightwing wackos. Take a look at this recent ABC/WP poll instead. www.pollingreport.com/news.htm |
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Mar 19, 2005 19:17:14 GMT -5
You actually read freerepublic. That site is filled with nothing but a bunch of rightwing wackos. Take a look at this recent ABC/WP poll instead. www.pollingreport.com/news.htmActually, had you looked close enough, you would have seen that the article isn't even a freerepublic article, just a reprint of the original article from World Net Daily: www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43259Secondly, the media again misrepresents the facts of the case in their poll question, as quoted here: "As you may know, a woman in Florida named Terri Schiavo suffered brain damage and has been on life support for 15 years" She is not on life support. She merely needs to be fed via a feeding tube. Finally, how people answer a poll question with no emotional stake in a hypothetical situation vs. how people will actually behave when confronted with that situation in real life - the results would differ dramatically. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2005 20:56:16 GMT -5
Seems to me a feeding tube fits the definition of life support. No?
She's being hydrated, too.
Not to sound too harsh, but this is basically what death is all about. The woman is dead. Turn off the machines.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2005 20:57:38 GMT -5
Oh. And while they're at it, maybe they could put Tom DeLay out of our misery too?
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Mar 19, 2005 22:14:52 GMT -5
Seems to me a feeding tube fits the definition of life support. No? She's being hydrated, too. Not to sound too harsh, but this is basically what death is all about. The woman is dead. Turn off the machines. Then by your definition, a kidney dialysis machine is life support as well. Should we pull the plug on kidney patients and tell them they can't get hooked up 3x a week and let them die too? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2005 23:15:16 GMT -5
Not even remotely the same thing. The person having kidney dialysis chooses to have it.
The point is, when the mind is gone, the body will die. That's the way it works. And if the mind is not going to return...
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Post by Gorf on Mar 20, 2005 0:18:46 GMT -5
The thing I dislike about pulling her feeding tube is that the way she would die is by starving to death.
That seems very cruel / inhumane.
I'm glad I'm not, and haven't been in a position to have to make that same type of decision and I hope I never put anyone else in a similar situation involving my own life.
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Post by goGopherBill on Mar 20, 2005 9:12:08 GMT -5
I couldn't help but wonder...if she is alive ...but with no brain functions..and being kept alive witha feeding tube...
Just what is the difference between her and a new born..that has a brain function, and is being kept alive by a feeding tube...?
Before a baby is aborted does she or he get to express their desires to remaine alive and fuctioning?
If a person commits a murder of a pregnant woman the prosecution can and does ask for a double homicide..but the parent can terminate the pregnancy without being charged?
There are MANY similarities to both ends and both sides of being born and dieing...
Are the right wing Republicans not just following what they believe?
And the same for the democrats ?
I personally believe the law states the spouse has the right...not the parents ...and it doesnt matter how much dope they smoke..how many kids they have ...or other tactics used to smear their morality..
Court after court has ruled the same..and now the opposition has gone public and off topic trying desperately to ruin the husband and the doctors and court system.
Do yourselves a favor..make a will...include a living will..dont let others decide not only how you live ..but how you die.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2005 9:56:10 GMT -5
I couldn't help but wonder...if she is alive ...but with no brain functions..and being kept alive witha feeding tube... Just what is the difference between her and a new born..that has a brain function, and is being kept alive by a feeding tube...? Before a baby is aborted does she or he get to express their desires to remaine alive and fuctioning? If a person commits a murder of a pregnant woman the prosecution can and does ask for a double homicide..but the parent can terminate the pregnancy without being charged? There are MANY similarities to both ends and both sides of being born and dieing... This (Bill's argument) is still a separate argument, one involving the potential for life and the rights women should have over their own bodies. This woman is dead (in terms of being a sentient being). She will never regain consciousness. What they are doing is repulsive. She should not be treated like some sort of houseplant. Gorf, I don't think "starving to death" is an accurate description of what will happen. I know, from personal experience, how awful that sounds--but it's a misrepresentation. |
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Post by itsallaboutme on Mar 20, 2005 10:12:34 GMT -5
So what if the man has a new family?? His wife has been on this feeding tube for 16 YEARS!!!!!. So, he waited 6 years to move on with his life & start a new one.
Does the President really need to be involved. This is no longer about this women but about the far Right trying to create new legislation
This same group of jerks are trying very hard to overturn Oregon's right to die law.
I remeber when the Republican Party's matra was "Less Government in our lives", well these neocons want to control every part of our lives. Why do they feel so compelled to impose their religious views on everyone else. Leave us alone your FREAKS!! Stop messing with our rights & the constitution.
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Post by Gorf on Mar 20, 2005 11:37:03 GMT -5
Gorf, I don't think "starving to death" is an accurate description of what will happen. I know, from personal experience, how awful that sounds--but it's a misrepresentation. How is it a misrepresentation? She's having her "food supply" removed and it she isn't expected to die for two weeks? How is that not starving to death? Is there any other reason she would die other than having a her feeding tube removed? If she's lived on the feeding tube for 15 years as someone mention earlier in this thread, then is it technically any different than placing one of us in a locked room without food for two weeks? Would we survive that? Do we have any reason to believe that she won't be feeling pain from starvation (or whatever you want to call it)? Bill makes sense in his comments regarding having a living will (which I do not have at this point but probably need to make.) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2005 13:20:16 GMT -5
[quote author=Gorflink=board=news&thread=1111177363&start=13#0 date=1111336623]
How is it a misrepresentation?
She's having her "food supply" removed and it she isn't expected to die for two weeks?
How is that not starving to death?[/quote]
Because there are those of us who would say she is already dead.
When you say she is being starved to death it implies something entirely different.
You see the difference?
Believe me, I understand what you are saying. But I still think it misrepresents this situation.
I have the same response to the rest of your comments, except that I do hope you can see the difference between locking someone in a room for two weeks without food and water, and this case.
I'd also suggest you ask a doctor about the "pain". I have a good idea what they will tell you, but I am far from qualified to expound on that topic.
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