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Post by future on Mar 26, 2005 20:14:29 GMT -5
Maybe there is a sense of failure/guilt/........(albeit unfounded to some but certainly real to these parents)....that the parents have been dealing with and it now coming to a head as their daughter is finally going to leave them.
That may sound harsh but face it this young women was put unfortunately put in this state as a reaction to her eating disorder.
When do eating disorders start.......not usually after marriage but rather as young children. I don't think I need to explain any further.
It is a very unfortunate situation for all as every life IS precious.
The courts did the right thing.
This woman will die with dignity.
The dignity comes from the strength of so many who struggled for her on both sides on this decision.
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Post by Gorf on Mar 26, 2005 23:20:35 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1111177363&start=63#4 date=1111855584]
Are you not familiar with Hammurabi's concept of Lex Talionis? Murderers should be put to death. Rehabilitation should not the goal of the courts, equal PUNISHMENT should be the goal. Terry Schiavo commited no crime, why should she and her family be punished further? [/quote]
These are supposedly Christian people BiK, the eye for an eye concept also supposedly went out with the advent of the New Testament in the Bible.
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Post by Gorf on Mar 26, 2005 23:29:12 GMT -5
Don't presume to know what I care about, you turd. We're still waiting for you to explain why you find all of this funny. So you don't like Agent presuming what you know or care about but you feel perfectly alright in presuming what he means? fun·ny<br>- adj. fun·ni·er, fun·ni·est 1. Causing laughter or amusement. Intended or designed to amuse. 2. Strangely or suspiciously odd; curious.
3. Tricky or deceitful.It happens to be a synonym for ironic, and the "tricky or deceitful" part is particularly applicable to the actions of the right wing religious fanatics now involved in the case. |
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Post by Gorf on Mar 26, 2005 23:30:44 GMT -5
Gorfis steering you all wrong--it's Red Lake. Red Wing is somewhere else (hour or so south of the Twin Cities). At least I got the Red part and the state right. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Mar 27, 2005 21:07:05 GMT -5
[quote author=Gorflink=board=news&thread=1111177363&start=77#5 date=1111897752]
So you don't like Agent presuming what you know or care about but you feel perfectly alright in presuming what he means?
fun·ny<br>- adj. fun·ni·er, fun·ni·est
1. Causing laughter or amusement. Intended or designed to amuse.
2. Strangely or suspiciously odd; curious.
3. Tricky or deceitful.
It happens to be a synonym for ironic, and the "tricky or deceitful" part is particularly applicable to the actions of the right wing religious fanatics now involved in the case.[/quote]
Personally, I think the "strangely or suspiciously odd; curious" definition to be in line with the sentiment.
I find it exceedly suspiciously odd that for 10 years, no one disputed the diagnosis that she was in a persistent vegitative state. Then, when it becomes clear that their attempts to control the situation failed, they desparately start claiming it the diagnosis is wrong. Of course, the courts considered the issue (they bent over backwards to accomodate the parents - in normal cases the courts would have sanctioned the lawyers for their actions the last 5 years), and concluded that the parents had provided no case that she was not in a PVS state (something the media nor biased websites will tell you).
The lies that have been spread in this case are awful. In the 1991 malpractice case, the parents testified that Michael Schiavo was a loving, passionate husband and that he and Terry had a great marriage. Now they accuse him of abusing his wife, and claim they had a terrible marriage and were about to divorce. In the 2002 trial, the nurse testified that he was a non-caring husband, trotting out many examples of his actions from 1995 - 1997, and how she kept reporting him to the hospice and to her parents. Yet, in 2000, the parents apparently didn't know anything about this nurse and all these evil acts she observed.
Another aspect that I wonder about, but I don't know enough to really let it affect me, is the religious grandstanding. The parents have made religious arguments, saying that certain aspects are inconsistent with her catholic faith. OTOH, while we hear a lot from her parents, I have never heard anyone really talk about how strict of a catholic she really was. Did she attend church regularly, or was it sporatic? Did she faithfully follow vatican guidelines? Did she ever eat meat on Fridays? Did she use artificial birth control? Maybe she did, I don't know. However, 20 - 25 year old TINKs like the Schiavos are not always your poster children for catholicism. Now, I understand the religious activities as a way for the parents to cope with the situation, but to try to use it as a basis for what SHE would want, as they have tried to argue, takes a lot more than has been reported at least. But I really want to know exactly to what extent this monk who keeps showing up on TV as Terry Schiavo's "spiritual adviser" actually knew her before this happened. Is he legit, or is he grandstanding?
This is separate from the legal matter, but I think it is an important question to consider in light of certain people's motivations.
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Post by Gorf on Mar 27, 2005 23:25:56 GMT -5
Another ironic thing in the situation is the right to lifers arguing that Michael Shiavo isn't a fit husband to make the decisions in Terry's life at this point because he has a new family with someone other than Terry now.
From some of the reports I've seen her parents reportedly encouraged him to see others when they were in agreement that Terry was in a PVS before all the litigation started.
Bob Schindler said in testimony in 1993, "I think I said he deserved to start a new life."
More irony is that the Schindler family now has no problem accusing Michael Shindler of having been an abusive husband.
Yet, at the malpractice trial in 1992, Mary Schindler said of her son-in-law, "He is loving, caring. I don't know of any young boy that would be as attentive. ... He's just been unbelievable. And I know without him there is no way I could have survived all this."
Very "Christian" of her to have either lied at the trial under oath back in 1992, or to tell lies now - some of which have also been under oath.
Still more irony is the Republicans that commonly talk out against centralized government and increases in such pull a Congressional and Presidential stunt to do just that.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Mar 28, 2005 8:21:46 GMT -5
[quote author=Gorflink=board=news&thread=1111177363&start=80#5 date=1111983956]Another ironic thing in the situation is the right to lifers arguing that Michael Shiavo isn't a fit husband to make the decisions in Terry's life at this point because he has a new family with someone other than Terry now.
From some of the reports I've seen her parents reportedly encouraged him to see others when they were in agreement that Terry was in a PVS before all the litigation started.
Bob Schindler said in testimony in 1993, "I think I said he deserved to start a new life."
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For something like 5 years, the husband bent over backwards to try to help his wife, including taking her to California to try to get some radical new therapy that might help. During that time, nothing made any difference. It is pretty clear that after that much time, he realized that there wasn't anything that could be done.
It really begs the question, if your wife is in a permanent vegetative state, and all your efforts to revive her fail, exactly how long must you wait before you are allowed to move on with your life? Apparently, 10 years is not long enough for some people.
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Post by ZookIsCooked on Mar 28, 2005 20:43:58 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't know what the big deal is, and I honestly don't care. Maybe that makes me ignorant, but whatever... anyways, here's my two cents. With the way Terri is right now, she's basically dead anyways, so letting her die, which, unfortunately Terri cannot speak, but I'm sure she too wants the same thing to happen. I mean, I would hate being that badly brain damaged, with not knowing what is going on and being in that much pain, that if I were her, I would want my tube pulled. Those who want to keep her alive are really doing it for themselves, not Terri. They only believe in what is written, and they are too stubborn to just let the poor woman die.
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Post by Gorf on Mar 29, 2005 3:16:22 GMT -5
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Post by goGopherBill on Mar 31, 2005 11:08:36 GMT -5
A poll is nothing more than a carefully worded public popularity contest...which can change on a whim.
Polls are often wrong..
Judges and the courts have nothing to do with punishment of a crime.
They are in place to make sure justice ..fairplay and that the Quality of the system is equal for everyone..They are not to be subject of polls where un informed citizens respond thru passionate ,but not informed biased pleas.Which can and do often show that they were not privy to all the facts when pollsters led them ...Polls can and do seek out only those they know will be more likely to respond more favorably to the pollsters objectives.
Society..mandates what the penalties are for an offense ..thru elected officals who write the laws that judges must stay within their boundaries when enforcing judical verdicts.
The system worked to perfection in this case ...LEAVE IT ALONE.
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Post by itsallaboutme on Mar 31, 2005 11:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by Vball818 on Apr 1, 2005 20:59:30 GMT -5
As always the media(that includes the Web) has turned
Schiavo's situation into a ghoulish affair. It's terrible how her life has ended, how the Schindler's and Schiavo are at each other's throats(I betcha, give them a chance their altercations would be like a WWF bout) - basically how the whole thing just gripped the world's attention blew me away. I hope she is at peace.
One thing good about this sordid affair is that people are now thinking how they want their lives to end and having it in writing. As for me and a couple of my friends we had our living will done in our early 30's because we were/are single, most of my friends do not live nearby relatives, and if we were to be in a relationship the state and federal government wouldn't recognize our relationship and the hospital would ignore my wishes and partners order.
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