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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Mar 25, 2005 22:07:35 GMT -5
How messed up is this country, where people will keep family pets alive long past the time when these animals are healthy, simply because "oh...we can't part with them yet...the kids will be devastated". Meanwhile, Patsie the blind, deaf, arthritic, no-bowel control poodle is crashing into walls on a daily basis, can't get up the stairs on the front porch, and pooping all over the living room furniture.
Yet...when it comes to our fellow human beings...we are supposed to let them "die with dignity"? Last time I checked, starving to death wasn't "dignified" at all.
Like I said earlier, where is the compassion in all of this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2005 22:32:04 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1111177363&start=28#1 date=1111804081]
Like I was saying, he IS a murderer. He wants to kill her off so he can move on with his life and save himself the guilt. He is a despicable individual.[/quote]
I don't know the man, but he has had every option to "move on with his life." He was also recently offered a huge sum of money to give up his guardianship. He didn't do it.
So, you think he's pursued all of this because he's a psycho?
What right do you have to call him a murderer or a despicable individual?
That's just stupid, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2005 22:39:06 GMT -5
As long as you (BiK) use words like "murderer" and you (SoBB) use terms like "starving to death" it's going to be all but impossible to have a rational discussion here.
SoBB brings up a good point: who SHOULD be responsible for the patient in these cases? I think we can all agree it should not be Tom DeLay.
But the point is, there are laws in place. The courts have ruled.
I guess I have a little more faith in the judicial system and the medical profession than some others do. I feel bad for the family--for her husband and her parents.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Mar 25, 2005 22:42:33 GMT -5
As long as you (SoBB) use terms like "starving to death" it's going to be all but impossible to have a rational discussion here. What is so impossible about this statement? It is the plain, simple truth. What is it about this that you do not understand? Terry Schiavo will not physically die of natural causes. She will die of starvation. It's that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2005 23:00:46 GMT -5
What is so impossible about this statement? It is the plain, simple truth. What is it about this that you do not understand? Terry Schiavo will not physically die of natural causes. She will die of starvation. It's that simple. Shall I repeat myself? She is already dead. If you think she is going to suffer from lack of food and water, then you have to admit she is suffering from being bedridden for 15 years. You can't have it both ways. So it's not that simple. It's a nice way for the right wing zealots to back the cowardly Democrats into yet another corner, but it's not that simple.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Mar 25, 2005 23:05:59 GMT -5
So it's not that simple. It's a nice way for the right wing zealots to back the cowardly Democrats into yet another corner, but it's not that simple. The dummycrats have done a very good job of backing their dumbazzez in a corner all on their own. The further away the democratic party drifts away from the collective idealogy of the America of today, the better off America will be for it. You liberals are the minority for a reason, please move to Canada, and take the terrorist loving ACLU with you.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Mar 25, 2005 23:21:21 GMT -5
Shall I repeat myself? She is already dead. Not only are you a dumbazz, you are also an ignorant dumbazz. Every diagnosis made on Terry Schiavo has been made by a doctor appointed by her husband. She has not received any meaningful treatment since 1991. This is an excerpt from the site - www.terrisfight.orgMYTH: Terri is PVS (Persistent vegetative state) FACT: The definition of PVS in Florida Statue 765.101: Persistent vegetative state means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is: (a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of ANY kind. (b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment. Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment. As long as there is POTENTIAL for her to improve, she should be kept alive. There isn't enough medical knowledge to ABSOLUTELY PROVE that her mental state cannot improve. Go back and read JPII's opinion - I think it is both eloquent and compassionate, and the right path to take in matters regarding the sanctity and beauty of human life. And I think Ruffdipweed is just another dumbazz in our shallow, selfish, "I know what's best because it makes sense to me" society.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Mar 25, 2005 23:29:38 GMT -5
Shall I repeat myself? She is already dead. And why, exactly, is she dead, Ruffdweeb? Because YOU read it in the paper? Because someone ELSE said so and you took that as the truth? Unless you've actually been in the room with Terry Schiavo, YOU DON'T KNOW that she is, in fact, "already dead". And neither do I. But, unlike your stupid shallow azz, I choose to err on the side of believing she is more alive than she is dead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2005 23:40:40 GMT -5
Not only are you a dumbazz, you are also an ignorant dumbazz. Well, at least I have manners--unlike some people I could mention. Nice website, that. And, no, that's the difference between me and DeLay. I don't pretend to know what's best. But I do try to pay attention to science and facts. Unlike some people I could mention. Do you HONESTLY believe the courts would allow her feeding tubes to be disconnected if there were ANY chance of her recovering? Oh, wait. They get some sort of perverse pleasure out of this, too. Tell you what SoBB. You go do a little more reading. Maybe attend a class or two. And then maybe you'll have the right to call someone a dumbass. In the mean time, you just sound kind of stupid to me. (But then you always have... Darnit. There went my manners.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2005 23:43:16 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1111177363&start=35#2 date=1111809959]
The dummycrats have done a very good job of backing their dumbazzez in a corner all on their own.
The further away the democratic party drifts away from the collective idealogy of the America of today, the better off America will be for it. You liberals are the minority for a reason, please move to Canada, and take the terrorist loving ACLU with you.[/quote]
The "collective ideology of America"? Wow. And that's something we should strive to get in tune with?
Does that mean I have to believe the Bible is the literal truth, Jeff Foxworthy is funny, and NASCAR is exciting? I can't wait!
I have to hand it to you, BiK. This makes the top 5 of your all-time moronic statements--and that takes some doing!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2005 23:46:20 GMT -5
And why, exactly, is she dead, Ruffdweeb? Because YOU read it in the paper? Because someone ELSE said so and you took that as the truth? Unless you've actually been in the room with Terry Schiavo, YOU DON'T KNOW that she is, in fact, "already dead". And neither do I. But, unlike your stupid shallow azz, I choose to err on the side of believing she is more alive than she is dead. No. Because--again--I choose to believe that the Courts, in appeal after appeal, would get this right. And even if I were in the room with her, I would not be qualified to diagnose her--unlike Bill Frist, who can do it by video. And, please, it's spelled "ass."
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Mar 25, 2005 23:52:43 GMT -5
Well, at least I have manners--unlike some people I could mention. Nice website, that. And, no, that's the difference between me and DeLay. I don't pretend to know what's best. But I do try to pay attention to science and facts. Unlike some people I could mention. Do you HONESTLY believe the courts would allow her feeding tubes to be disconnected if there were ANY chance of her recovering? Oh, wait. They get some sort of perverse pleasure out of this, too. Tell you what SoBB. You go do a little more reading. Maybe attend a class or two. And then maybe you'll have the right to call someone a silly person. In the mean time, you just sound kind of stupid to me. (But then you always have... Darnit. There went my manners.) Still stupid, ignorant, and self-absorbed. Might as well add passive-aggressive to that list, too. "Darnit. There went my manners." GIVE ME A FRIGGIN' BREAK. Don't try to act like the nice guy in any of this - you post enough hateful and divisive crap on this political forum as it is. I have offered multiple opinions from multiple sources arguing that Terry Schiavo's life should be saved. Ruffdoof has done nothing except continue to express his opinion while discounting that anything contrary offered in this thread could have any possibility of being a plausible alternative decision. Courts have judged on ONLY medical opinions offered by medical experts hired by her husband. They have NEVER heard testimony from any other medical professionals who might give a counter-argument. It is no surprise that they would rule in favor of Michael Schiavo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2005 23:54:54 GMT -5
And this is not MY decision to make, for which I am thankful. I am sure it was very difficult--and I have empathy for the Schindlers pain.
But there was someone who WAS left with the responsibility for making this decision. And he did. And the Courts have agreed that it was his decision to make.
I have even more empathy for HIS pain.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2005 0:00:43 GMT -5
Still stupid, ignorant, and self-absorbed. Might as well add passive-aggressive to that list, too. "Darnit. There went my manners." GIVE ME A FRIGGIN' BREAK. Don't try to act like the nice guy in any of this - you post enough hateful and divisive crap on this political forum as it is. You are an A #1 ass-hole, aren't you Bobby? "Hateful and divisive crap." Please show me the offending passages. Dorkwad. You've done WHAT? How's the ride up there on that high horse, cowboy? Seems to me I objected to two things: calling this "starving to death" and calling the husband a "murderer". Everything else is OF COURSE my opinion. I wouldn't pretend otherwise. This is simply not true. Do you really believe this? You poor, poor man.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Mar 26, 2005 0:21:07 GMT -5
Courts have judged on ONLY medical opinions offered by medical experts hired by her husband. They have NEVER heard testimony from any other medical professionals who might give a counter-argument. It is no surprise that they would rule in favor of Michael Schiavo. I will retract this statement since it is untrue. However, no new medical opinions against the prevailing opinion has been offerred since 2002. And the judge who has presided over this case has also refused to hear any new testimony: Greer, the judge whose decision on the Schindler's emergency motion is expected Saturday, ordered the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube last Friday. He also rejected a request to hear new testimony from a doctor who disagrees with the prevailing diagnosis that Schiavo is in a "persistent vegetative state." Greer also barred state authorities from taking Schiavo into their custody.
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