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Post by Gorf on Nov 6, 2004 16:46:48 GMT -5
100,000 deaths is a lot, but let me ask this. Do you know personnally how many of those deaths were caused by homicidal actions? Or how many of those were caused by their own people? So what your telling me is that crime in the US is NOT the same as what is happening in Iraq. The reason that type of death didn't happen before is because Saddam put people in fear by killing or raping civilians. 100,000 people die in this country a year from accidents. ACCIDENTS! Should we stop doing things for fear of death from tripping? Also, you talk about no evidence of weapons, SO WHAT. How about the graves of 100,000's of people that have been found... in area's where they know graves were. How about where they don't know. Your stance on this issue makes you just as bad as our Euro-trash's Grandparents. Appease, Appease, Appease. And remember all the civilians killed the last time they had to remedy that situation. Try MILLIONS of Jews for starters. Enough said...I am going to watch our lack luster DII women's team play. Then to practice. Ermmm.. The 100,000 is referring to totally war / invasion related incidents. Probably including insurgency based attacks that wouldn't be taking place without the war.
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Post by Gorf on Nov 6, 2004 16:48:16 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1099700543&start=13#0 date=1099775316]
Not me Gorf, I'm still in my prime. ;D[/quote]
If you can only count by primes then you're aging quite dramatically.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Nov 6, 2004 16:52:06 GMT -5
Ermmm.. The 100,000 is referring to totally war / invasion related incidents. Probably including insurgency based attacks that wouldn't be taking place without the war. Yes. The hundreds of thousands killed during Saddam's regime, and buried in mass graves, were a much more palatable statistic. You haven't cited the source of your 100,000 casualties, Walleye breath. That's because there is no credible source for a figure that high. 90% of Iraq was secured with very little bloodshed. Only the 10% of the hot-spots like Fallujah get any mainstream press in this country, thanks to our media's obsession with stirring up sheit for the sole purpose of stirring up sheit.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 6, 2004 16:59:25 GMT -5
Only the 10% of the hot-spots like Fallujah get any mainstream press in this country, thanks to our media's obsession with stirring up sheit for the sole purpose of stirring up sheit. Absolutely. The media bias was balatantly evident on tuesday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2004 17:09:19 GMT -5
Yep, because bombs don't hurt anyone.
The 100,000+ estimate is conservative.
And don't talk to me about the mass graves. That's not why we went to war. That was not the case we made to the U.N. If we wanted to make that case, we should have.
But you can live in Bush World if you want. I hear everyone gets to be rich there, too.
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Post by Mr. Pink on Nov 6, 2004 17:39:36 GMT -5
Back....lost in three...pathetic.
Do you know why we went to war? Yes, WMD's were one most politicized reason. That was only one of a list of reasons. Especially when we were seeing video's of torture before the war. And who said bombs don't hurt anyone. Saddam was in clear violation when he shot of Missiles during the war. Probably hiding in his hole, the coward. But, oh tunnel vision from the media can be so enlightening. How about the wonderful slogan...what was it again..."Blood for Oil." The only oil that was coming out of Iraq was going too........................FRANCE. Surprise Surprise. If it weren't for us BUSH Worlder's; we would be still shaking our fingers at Saddam and terrorists and saying..."If you do that one more time, I'm going to get a resolution against you!"
Oh, and for those up with current world news, France is having problems in the Ivory Coast. They kill nine french soldiers and an American and all the French will do is blow up the planes used; then ask for a new resolution. Gotta love those French. Anything to avoid a conflict. Peace Keeping? I think its the French that are actually starting all the wars. Anyone remember a very politicized part of the election this year? Called VIETNAM. Yep, started by the French. Maybe we will find that all the problems in Iraq were because of the French. OOPS, finding that out now. Its called "OIL for Saddam to do whatever he wants" PROGRAM
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Nov 6, 2004 22:40:03 GMT -5
Yep, because bombs don't hurt anyone. The 100,000+ estimate is conservative. And don't talk to me about the mass graves. That's not why we went to war. That was not the case we made to the U.N. If we wanted to make that case, we should have. But you can live in Bush World if you want. I hear everyone gets to be rich there, too. You still haven't cited your source, Ruffruff.
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Post by Gorf on Nov 7, 2004 0:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by Gorf on Nov 7, 2004 0:51:31 GMT -5
Yes. The hundreds of thousands killed during Saddam's regime, and buried in mass graves, were a much more palatable statistic. You haven't cited the source of your 100,000 casualties, Walleye breath. That's because there is no credible source for a figure that high. 90% of Iraq was secured with very little bloodshed. Only the 10% of the hot-spots like Fallujah get any mainstream press in this country, thanks to our media's obsession with stirring up sheit for the sole purpose of stirring up sheit. You talk about the media spins and make a spin of your own. No doubt the horrific deaths caused by Husseins actions were terrible and in the hundreds of thousands. The excessives deaths of Iraqi citizens brought about in relation to the invasion may be considered to be less horrific if you personally prefer to look at it that way, however, I suspect the families of those who lost their lives may not see if that way and if the war continues on for years as it now seems it will then the deaths of Iraqi citizen will continue to rise at a much higher rate than even our own military losses.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Nov 7, 2004 1:51:23 GMT -5
Did you read the article completely? 100,000 is still an ESTIMATE. And a poorly derived estimate at that. Try again.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Nov 7, 2004 1:53:50 GMT -5
You talk about the media spins and make a spin of your own. No doubt the horrific deaths caused by Husseins actions were terrible and in the hundreds of thousands. The excessives deaths of Iraqi citizens brought about in relation to the invasion may be considered to be less horrific if you personally prefer to look at it that way, however, I suspect the families of those who lost their lives may not see if that way and if the war continues on for years as it now seems it will then the deaths of Iraqi citizen will continue to rise at a much higher rate than even our own military losses. The murder/homicide rate in the United States is much higher than Iraq. Or...to put it in words even you can understand...more people die violent deaths in this country everyday than in Iraq. Why aren't you bemoaning that fact?
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Post by Gorf on Nov 7, 2004 4:07:29 GMT -5
Uh..
How many times the size of Iraq is our population?
I guess I'd figure we'd have higher total numbers in most statistical categories than in Iraq.
In addition the murder / homicide rates here aren't increasing because of an invasion of our country.
The 100,00+ deaths are being reported as a result of the invasion of Iraq.
I can use you same logic and claim more people have died here from cause X than were killed by Saddam's torture / WMD's / etc.
Its a rather nonsensical bit of logic though.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 7, 2004 12:59:23 GMT -5
Uh.. Its a rather nonsensical bit of logic though. Highly illogical captain.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 7, 2004 16:05:13 GMT -5
Your stance on this issue makes you just as bad as our Euro-trash's Grandparents. Appease, Appease, Appease. And remember all the civilians killed the last time they had to remedy that situation. Try MILLIONS of Jews for starters. Enough said...I am going to watch our lack luster DII women's team play. Then to practice. My grand parents were immigrants from Europe. A DII school deserves a DII brain such as yours. Why waste time in college.
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Post by Mr. Pink on Nov 8, 2004 0:38:34 GMT -5
Whose Grandparents weren't from Europe. My wife's great grandmother was shot in the head by a Russian soldier right in front of her grandmother. Don't use your D-I intellect to overgeneralize a statement. Yeah, it was too general....my bad. Let me rephrase so that you can better understand. "The grandparents that were involved with policy in Europe during the pre-WWII period." But since our nation is all about forgetting history, we are doomed to repeat it.
Oh and by the way, watch what you say about us "Lowly" non- DI schools. We don't deal with profs that only care about their research and publications. I love learning calc. from a Chinese TA that only speaks Chinese. Nothing against them, just don't speak Chinese. Least you forget that some of the best schools in the country are DIII.
So I feel safer knowing that there are people out there that can not think about a statement and use intelligence to come to a reasonable conclusion to what the author was referring to.
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