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Post by bigfan on Nov 8, 2004 22:08:21 GMT -5
But since our nation is all about forgetting history, we are doomed to repeat it. Viet Nam. Least you forget that some of the best schools in the country are DIII. Cal-Tech and M.I.T are two of best college's, not in this country, but in the world. |
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Post by Mr. Pink on Nov 9, 2004 14:12:23 GMT -5
I still haven't seen proof of the 100,000 civilian death's in Iraq. I do have an article that does prove the poor research method's that were used to get that number and the fact that Osama talks about 15,000 or so. I think that before you use number's. Be sure its been proven correct by more than one person. www.fumento.com/military/lancetscripps.htmlBut don't miss read me, I don't approve of any death. But how can you claim that the US has killed 100,000 people when its the US that is trying to rebuild the country while NON-IRAQ's are doing all the killings? |
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Post by Gorf on Nov 9, 2004 17:01:08 GMT -5
I find it ironic that you want others to "prove" something is correct via more than one source when you want to post a single source of your own to disprove the other source.
It is clear that the people that wrote your posted article didn't actually bother reading the article they're trying to refute.
The article discussing the 100,00 Iraqi deaths never claimed that that coalition forces directly killed 100,000 Iraqis. It did claim that an excess of at least 100,000 Iraqis have died since the start of the coalition invasion of Iraq over what would have been expected had the invasion not been launched.
There is no official count of Iraqi deaths directly related to coalition actions. There is an unofficial count of Iraqi civilian deaths related to coalition actions and that count is in the 16,000+ range, though it is suspected to be higher than that. The count doesn't include deaths caused by the actions of insurgents that would not have been in Iraq if the invasion hadn't been launched.
The president spoke against having our country become a nation builder. Now that's exactly what he's attempting to do in Iraq.
It sounds like you're saying its okay for our troops to have caused any number of civilian deaths because we're trying to "rebuild their country". To me that's a sad commentary.
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Post by Eater on Nov 9, 2004 18:11:48 GMT -5
The 100k number is BS. they just guessed. The 95% confidence interval for the study puts the deaths somewhere beween 30k and 190k or something. Apparently they just picked a number in the middle that sounded nice and said it was right.
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Post by Mr. Pink on Nov 10, 2004 10:17:12 GMT -5
I am going to stop making points. I will just come out and say it. I am glad we went into Iraq and took out Saddam. Yes, loss of life is bad, but I am a "War Loving" American. I guess I am just "incencitive" to the left, but I see that as strong...not a pushover. I support our troops, not bash them. In fact I have family and friends fighting over there. I support Bush fully, but am not a uneducated redneck as you libs like to think. I do question his policies and don't take things verbatum. I have paid attention to the fact that we have not had any attacks since 9-11, and also recognize that sometimes things have to go bad before they become really good. I am patient unlike a large portion of the US. And another thing, if the world was all wonderful and we lived in More's Utopia, human's would get restless and would start to great violence. Human's are animals after all....I know its hard to swallow Gorfer. And animals kill. If you want to live in a nice fluffy society where people live and love and sing songs and play patty cakes, be my guest. I enjoy battle, mainly on the court or in the classroom. Finally, IF you are one of those people that listens to Michael Moore, I pity you for being niave. For someone being a socialist, he is one of the biggest Capitalists in this country. Boy he has his followers fooled. He proclaims he is for poor people? He was taking $40,000 from students. Some of the most broke people in this country. Shame on him!
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Post by future on Nov 10, 2004 11:15:59 GMT -5
I am going to stop making points. I will just come out and say it. I am glad we went into Iraq and took out Saddam. Yes, loss of life is bad, but I am a "War Loving" American. I guess I am just "incencitive" to the left, but I see that as strong...not a pushover. I support our troops, not bash them. In fact I have family and friends fighting over there. I support Bush fully, but am not a uneducated redneck as you libs like to think. I do question his policies and don't take things verbatum. I have paid attention to the fact that we have not had any attacks since 9-11, and also recognize that sometimes things have to go bad before they become really good. I am patient unlike a large portion of the US. And another thing, if the world was all wonderful and we lived in More's Utopia, human's would get restless and would start to great violence. Human's are animals after all....I know its hard to swallow Gorfer. And animals kill. If you want to live in a nice fluffy society where people live and love and sing songs and play patty cakes, be my guest. I enjoy battle, mainly on the court or in the classroom. Finally, IF you are one of those people that listens to Michael Moore, I pity you for being niave. For someone being a socialist, he is one of the biggest Capitalists in this country. Boy he has his followers fooled. He proclaims he is for poor people? He was taking $40,000 from students. Some of the most broke people in this country. Shame on him! Wow! What a POST! - War loving so long as someone else is doing the fighting and being shot at. You know I know someone who knows someone......who is over in Qatar and running a back-up generator. When it is your son.....or your brother.....or father....or mother.....please tell us all again how much you LOVE WAR! You enjoy battle.....on the court and in the classroom. LOL. So does your definition of battle mean talking smack, a hard foul, a good block. Or in the classroom battle a battle of wits with a 10th grader who is contesting a poorly worded question. Oh and furthermore I should hope that the Human Race as come abit further than your Caveman excuse of ...me animal.....me not like you....me kill...that is the law of nature. REmember pal who is leading you....ya know the simple Christians of faith and higher calling. The ones who believe in the teaching of a bearded fellow and his father. Hey Defender......write a few scrap copies before you wite such an infantile "coming out" letter. Actually you lived up to exactly what I expect. But I will acknowledge Defender that SOMETIMES SOMETIMES life is simple....but I 'm afraid my fellow- you have that right to love war - American, right now we are all in situations that are not. |
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Post by Mr. Pink on Nov 10, 2004 11:46:05 GMT -5
Who assumed I didn't serve, or haven't lost immediate relatives in war. I do remeber were my freedom comes from and those that are fighting it. I will talk "Smack" because humans are animals. I guess you have never taken a class in Anthroplogy or biology. And a battle is not defined only as incidence of violence. And if you think that I am not a Christian, again you assume wrong. Remember a book called the Bible, the jews use the Ark to smote Jericho? That story saw G_d doing that to help them. Now, are there better ways to resolve war? Yes, but there are times where there is no reasoning. Heck, even the Vatican recognizes the efforts in Iraq. Don't ever forget who gave you the power to write on this site. I think there are a lot of people that take America for granted. Especially foreigners that come here to reap the benefits, but tell us how to run our country.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 10, 2004 12:49:37 GMT -5
I am going to stop making points. I will just come out and say it. I am glad we went into Iraq and took out Saddam. Yes, loss of life is bad, but I am a "War Loving" American. I guess I am just "incencitive" to the left, but I see that as strong...not a pushover. I support our troops, not bash them. In fact I have family and friends fighting over there. I support Bush fully, but am not a uneducated redneck as you libs like to think. I do question his policies and don't take things verbatum. I have paid attention to the fact that we have not had any attacks since 9-11, and also recognize that sometimes things have to go bad before they become really good. I am patient unlike a large portion of the US. And another thing, if the world was all wonderful and we lived in More's Utopia, human's would get restless and would start to great violence. Human's are animals after all....I know its hard to swallow Gorfer. And animals kill. If you want to live in a nice fluffy society where people live and love and sing songs and play patty cakes, be my guest. I enjoy battle, mainly on the court or in the classroom. Finally, IF you are one of those people that listens to Michael Moore, I pity you for being niave. For someone being a socialist, he is one of the biggest Capitalists in this country. Boy he has his followers fooled. He proclaims he is for poor people? He was taking $40,000 from students. Some of the most broke people in this country. Shame on him! Do not project your thoughts on us board members. I respect your opinions,but if someone DISAGREES with you I am not insinuating that you are a REDNECK COMMIE PINKO! |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 10, 2004 13:06:12 GMT -5
Do not project your thoughts on us board members. This whole message board is a mere projection of thoughts. Btw, I agree with defender as it pertains to that loser Moore. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 10, 2004 13:07:36 GMT -5
REmember pal who is leading you....ya know the simple Christians of faith and higher calling. The ones who believe in the teaching of a bearded fellow and his father. And what is wrong with this? |
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Post by bigfan on Nov 10, 2004 14:28:59 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1099700543&start=38#2 date=1100109972]
This whole message board is a mere projection of thoughts.
Btw, I agree with defender as it pertains to that loser Moore.[/quote]Clarification; This forum of thoughts that is articulated here is our own Personal OPINIONS. Fair enough. What I do not go for is somebody telling me what I am thinking because I happen to disagree with them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2004 14:51:10 GMT -5
The 100k number is BS. they just guessed. The 95% confidence interval for the study puts the deaths somewhere beween 30k and 190k or something. Apparently they just picked a number in the middle that sounded nice and said it was right. Since the Bush Administration refuses to count civilian deaths, estimates are all we have. Now tell me. How is this not Terrorism? |
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Post by Gorf on Nov 10, 2004 17:05:07 GMT -5
I am going to stop making points. I will just come out and say it. I am glad we went into Iraq and took out Saddam. Yes, loss of life is bad, but I am a "War Loving" American. I guess I am just "incencitive" to the left, but I see that as strong...not a pushover. I support our troops, not bash them. In fact I have family and friends fighting over there. I support Bush fully, but am not a uneducated redneck as you libs like to think. I do question his policies and don't take things verbatum. I have paid attention to the fact that we have not had any attacks since 9-11, and also recognize that sometimes things have to go bad before they become really good. I am patient unlike a large portion of the US. And another thing, if the world was all wonderful and we lived in More's Utopia, human's would get restless and would start to great violence. Human's are animals after all....I know its hard to swallow Gorfer. And animals kill. If you want to live in a nice fluffy society where people live and love and sing songs and play patty cakes, be my guest. I enjoy battle, mainly on the court or in the classroom. Finally, IF you are one of those people that listens to Michael Moore, I pity you for being niave. For someone being a socialist, he is one of the biggest Capitalists in this country. Boy he has his followers fooled. He proclaims he is for poor people? He was taking $40,000 from students. Some of the most broke people in this country. Shame on him! Its interesting that you equate yourself with animals. In theory "humans" are above animanls when it comes to the types of things to which you're referring. In relative terms, animals don't kill for the heck of it - though humans certainly at time do kill for no reason at all. I don't know anything about Michael Moore "taking" $40,000 from college students. Presumably if he received that amount of money from students they gave it too him of their own free will. The present administration has taken in excess of $120 billion for the war in Iraq. That certainly appears to be a lot more than $40,000. Plus, now after saying he wouldn't raise taxes the president is yet again welching on his word. Do you think he'll raise taxes evenly or will the middle class be hit with the brunt of it again in order to pay for the war efforts of his administration? The GWB administration has increased the federal budget more in his first 3 fiscal years in office than the Clinton administration increased it for all 8 of his fiscal years. Plus, that doesn't include the expenses of the Iraq war efforts that they conveniently left out of the budget for FY 2004. I always find it ironic that the "conservatives" like to accuse the "liberals" of being the big spenders when the "conservatives" have increased the federal budgets much more over at least the past 20-30 years. |
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Post by bigfan on Nov 10, 2004 18:07:09 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1099700543&start=38#2 date=1100109972]
Btw, I agree with defender as it pertains to that loser Moore.[/quote]To most Americans, Michael Moore is a Marxist who has utter contempt for most of his fellow Americans, who goes abroad and tells huge audiences how stupid and venal his country is, and in his dishonest propaganda film, portrays the American military as callous buffoons. Yet, this radical was given the most honored seat at the Democratic Party convention in Boston, next to former President Jimmy Carter.
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Post by Eater on Nov 10, 2004 23:39:34 GMT -5
Since the Bush Administration refuses to count civilian deaths, estimates are all we have. Now tell me. How is this not Terrorism? Not counting deaths is terrorism? Regardless of whether or not the administration is counting deaths or that they have an obligation to do so (they dont) that doesn't mean you get to parade around any old number that gets thrown about regardless of how precise it is. |
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