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Post by po'okela on Sept 11, 2009 19:02:48 GMT -5
HAHA disciplinary action always works best for anyone.
stress the rules which need to be followed. 1st offense, ban them for a day. 2nd offense, ban them for a week. 3rd offense, ban them for a month. 4th offense, ban them indefinitely.
but if only 1.6% of posters frequest the forum - then i don't think it's a huge problem. we're all adults, we can sift thru the topics we'd like to read and ignore the topics we wouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 19:03:50 GMT -5
It's not the politics that is the problem. They have every right to their misguided politics. It's the bleeping spamming I'm against.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 11, 2009 19:16:09 GMT -5
The Off-the-Net board is where secret coded messages are passed between me and a few cohorts. Without this board, I will be unable to communicate with them (and they with me), jeopardizing the continued survival of civilization as we know it.
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Post by Barky on Sept 11, 2009 19:48:30 GMT -5
I also used to like the off-the-net board. You could find all sorts of interesting topics. I've stopped posting and reading practically all the threads because pretty much every damn thread is dominated by two, sometimes three, irrational jackasses.
I would say either moderate more or stop all political posting. If not, just get rid of this section. The two posters in question don't seem to even follow volleyball and spend their entire time spamming this section. I don't know why they're on this site except to troll this particular section and make the rest of us turn away in disgust. Keeping the status quo is like giving them their own personal forum on a volleyball board for political propaganda.
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Post by equality on Sept 11, 2009 20:16:21 GMT -5
I say eliminate this section completely. And if anyone brings political debate into the volleyball section, take immediate action to stop it.
There is no way to police the Off-The-Net board fairly. All the posters complaining now are posters who only want their own brand of political commentary to be allowed. Who will make the decisions about what views are acceptable or not acceptable?
If you permit the Off-The-Net board to continue and want to maintain a civil tone, you will need someone monitoring it constantly. That won’t work. Better to just shut it down.
If you do continue it, there should be an explanation of why a post was edited or deleted with a specific reference to a Volleytalk policy. It should not be top secret why posts are deleted or posters penalized. There should always be an explanation.
Shut it down and be done with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 20:31:24 GMT -5
All the posters complaining now are posters who only want their own brand of political commentary to be allowed. This is not true and has been plainly stated above, nittany. That is not the issue. And, before anyone claims this is just the other side of the same coin, that is demonstrably untrue. Posts from as far back as 2004 are there to be read. It was *never* at the level we are seeing now. Again, the tone is a separate issue. The complaint is about spamming. |
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Post by Barky on Sept 11, 2009 20:38:15 GMT -5
I disagree that the problem here is about certain posters "who only want their own brand of political commentary to be allowed" or the moderators deciding "what views are acceptable."
I have no problem with conservatives relating their views. I do have a problem with the antagonistic and purposely derogatory and inflammatory statements being thrown out constantly or starting new threads for a "cut and paste" opinion piece for the same subject in order to flood the board with one poster's viewpoint with the added benefit of purposely irritating other posters.
Big difference. Huge.
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Post by equality on Sept 11, 2009 20:51:41 GMT -5
Ruffda states, “Again the tone is a separate issue. The complaint is about spamming.”
Here is a source of the problem. There was nothing in the moderator’s introduction specifically about spamming that I could see.
Now I bring up the issue of keeping a civil tone which seemed to be a factor in the moderator’s introduction…I am told by Ruffda that my opinion is of no value and that the only complaint to be considered is what he says it is about; spamming. It is as though the message board should only revolve around what certain posters want and my opinion is of no value.
Who is going to referee this sort of conflict. I say shut down “off-the-net board”. It is used for all the wrong reasons.
Shut down this portion of the board and focus on volleyball. There are other websites to sort out political differences.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 22:20:10 GMT -5
Hey, if you have a problem with the tone in Off-the-Net 1) you should take it up with the Mods and 2) you should take a good look in the mirror (as a matter-of-fact, you should take a look at your posts in the main forum).
Read the posts here. The problem being brought up is the quantity of repetitive (and nonsensical posts).
Please show me where I stated your opinion is of "no value".
And, please, don't use a separate log-in -- admit who you are.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 12, 2009 0:10:32 GMT -5
Sometimes, these spammers are just angry, bitter people who simply need a hobby. Like Sudoku or racquetball.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 12, 2009 0:18:23 GMT -5
I tend to avoid the Off The Net board these days.
I am opposed to moderation, but I can accept a "politics" and "other topics" separation.
It's unfortunate, though. I like being able to talk politics with people who are thoughtful and rational.
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Post by bunnywailer on Sept 12, 2009 1:01:43 GMT -5
LOL. Too funny. I guess the conservative faction on the board finally got to the one liberal person (with 4-5 different logins) who can't stand the shoe being on the other foot.
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Post by bunnywailer on Sept 12, 2009 1:08:19 GMT -5
I say shut it down also. I don't have to listen to Ruffda slam GWB or the Republican Party anymore then feign innocence. If we can clear VT of that stuff, then I win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2009 1:50:06 GMT -5
Bob, I do not have 4-5 different logins. So please stop the lies.
Tell you what, you come up with TEN people who agree with you -- that my postings about W are/were equivalent to Bill and shockjock's postings -- and I will ban myself.
Of course you want it shut down. The whole thing was just one big joke to you from the beginning. Sure would be nice if you could contribute something more to this forum than personal abuse. I know you do, every once in a while, but it sure isn't often.
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Post by goGopherBill on Sept 12, 2009 7:50:53 GMT -5
A quick historical check would verify these stats..all those who oppose the way the board is going now HAD NO PROBLEM commenting daily about PRESIDENT BUSH..or their particular political point of view.
It's only when conservatives DEMANDED explanations..fact checks and the end to off thread topic misdirection did the debates turn south.
Re read this post..look who attacked personally or used inflammatory language or FOUL language directed at THEIR opposition.
I use the word "sheep" as a metaphor for being blinded or following leadership without question.
When someone accuses another poster of lying without challenging exactly what they are lying about it breaks every rule originally set up by the moderator.
When you call someone DUMBASS..it goes beyond meaningful posting or debate.
When you say someone is BITTER or ANGRY without showing why explaing your comment it is trolling. There were many bitter and angry comments during the BUSH years.
When you threaten someone with disciplinary action for something they do themselves it shows true hypocrisy.
The "word of the day" could be seen as SPAM under the rule if applied equally.
Now we have the word JACKASSES with IRRATIONAL in front.
That poster didn't qualify WHY some one is irrational or why anyone should be branded a JACKASS.
Another poster says "shut it down" because there is debate...no there is no debate now.Conservatives post and liberals say BAN them.
It is another point being WELL MADE FOR US that liberals believe in controlling society and shutting down dissent.
another poster whines about quantity and nonsensical post..
This poster is near the top of posting..many one word..one line "funny" nonsensical replies.
NOW,to simply solve the problem.
EASILY..and simply..
INSTEAD OF DENYING someone of anything the way true liberals deal with anything is to INCREASE the visibility of one topic thread by creating a POLITICAL FORUM.
The " off topic " could remain to be used to tell reviews of movies..favorite cookie recipes ..and word of the day.
OFF TOPIC , "LIGHT"
"THE POLITICAL" thread could remain a robust forum ..where grownups can play..anyone using foul language.. inflammatory or unqualified abuse..could be warned... Politics by definition is a type of warfare. You don't want to play.. discuss..debate..stay away.
If you cant defend a position ..don'd demand help from some outside moderator.
It is said " friends should avoid talking about religion and politics.." . It's even sadder when friends wish to end any conversation or silence a particular friend with another point of view..
It does reflect the split in society today and mirrors the national argument on this president.. He is further dividing a Nation...not unifying it or bringing everyone together.
This board and this thread shows that in spades.
and now for my Baa...this one is for the naysayers..they are truly blind.
and even mainstream talking heads are using my sheep thing.
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