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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2009 8:09:37 GMT -5
I'll respond. It won't do any good, but I will.
How, in any shape or form, is the Word of the Day spam? It was a SINGLE thread, with (generally) at most one post a day, on topic. How does that compare to what you have been doing?
You have been calling people "sheep" for years now. How is that civil debate?
I will give you credit for the post above. It has clarity. Your posts are usually just gibberish, as if you don't even care if they make sense.
Someone will post something and you will reply "Blame Bush". Funny the first time? Not really, but definitely not funny the 1000th time. How is that "robust" debate?
Notice all the accusations in your post -- par for the course -- and yet you claim your posts are civil. Notice how you claim I (we?) can't defend our positions. We do. Your response is always: "you're attacking me" and "I win" and "Wrong", etc.
It is rare that anyone accuses you of lying. We argue your points and you do not engage that argument. You followup with another tangent entirely, usually nonsensical.
I don't see any point in creating a political forum if certain posters continue to spam it. Why not just create a Bill/shockjock forum? Heck, we can create a Bob forum for Bob to abuse anyone who wanders into it.
I make the same offer to you, Bill. Find ten people who agree with you about my posting and I will ban myself.
Finally, I don't wish to silence you. I just wish you'd quit starting new threads on the same topic -- or bringing that same topic into other threads. It crowds out all conversation in the forum. I think I made this clear. My request for spammers to be banned was a last resort.
Even in this post, you cannot help adding:
Why? You say things like that and OF COURSE someone is going to respond -- at least the first 1,000 times. What do you gain? Ask yourself that. Are you looking for "robust debate" or are you looking to annoy people?
Since both you and Bob have expressly stated it's the latter, I guess my question is rhetorical.
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Post by goGopherBill on Sept 12, 2009 9:30:02 GMT -5
R ..
I wasn't directing my comments specifically toward you..but to the solution of a problem many have posted here.
Instead of Banning..shutting down.. censorship..
I offered a clear solution..using some examples of why we need to separate the threads.
Now if I respond to you directly it would be considered off topic and maybe banned?
Censorship and extreme moderation is a double bladed SHARP sword that cuts both ways...what may be your benefit today could hurt you a few years down the road.
Being so here is some tidbits for you..
Why did you lead with the 2nd line.." It won't do any good, but I will."
What "good " are you thinking about. Your good..the publics good..or the forums good?
We are not that smug that we think we are solving the worlds problems are we ? So it is for entertainment purposes only that we come here.
I have been using sheep and described why..it is a metaphor...Jackass..ignorant..dumbass are what?
"Blame Bush" is the war cry of the left..this president and most liberal posters here .Used almost daily.
Par ?.. I didn't use any specific names..Your opinion on the other stuff is your opinion. I don't agree..
So...Ban Me ?
Seems reasonable...remember I am a white conservative over 55 married guy..I must sleep with children. mmm... Where has our level of attacks matched that?
I'll even accept some of my comments reflect bigotry...especially when exposed in a manner I can more readily see...
But what about when others here post remarks about conservative and non political public people like Beck ..PALIN.. Stevens..and any conservatives who break morals and laws and are all exposed here..I SAY GREAT.... we need to get rid of corrupt... inept..and immoral and intolerant public officials...but why stop at conservatives? Why the attacks on conservative radio and tv personalities and fox news?
To silence something? a Minority view point ? or to protect a fragile view point that is weak and being exposed?
Why not be all inclusive..as the Democrats brag about. If you had a beef with conservatives ..NOT 1 CONSERVATIVE said ban..or stop. We only wished to be a voice reflecting a dissenting view.
You don't see a reason for any separate forum..? From someone who created his own?
Notice I don't go there and bring any political arguments...I don't even post any more on the VB womens side AT ALL since I have been branded a bad person that the program should be rid of.
Even thorough I know more about VB and have played more..been to more different venues..even dined with more coaches than most ever dream of.
The moderator states this is not a Democracy..so stop trying to make it one. I am a MINORITY here..if the tables were turned ..would you like it ? ..this whole discussion ?..The double edge sword again.
Yes ...I have a motive ..to show the sheep ..what they themselves may not even be able to see..to make point.
This discussion is a reflection of society today..and dissension is not going to be tolerated..the fairness doctrine in radio..with the major media.. and on the web..is what the liberals want...is already being discussed here..now.
Annoy? That is what you call a rational thought being displayed?
This shows why we should have a separate forum..so others wouldn't have to view our debate.. They could review movies..the weather ..favorite restaurants..without fear of politics being interjected.
If you were reviewing a PIZZA place..I wouldn't bring OBAMA or politics into it..this whole topic is FULL OF POLITICS and therefore everything is germane.
After 2 years of some one disagreeing with YOUR choice of pizza places would you call them names and wish them to be silenced...? Place labels upon them or ask for a vote to remove them?
Then maybe we would get only 1 PIZZA place..
Food for thought..
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Post by Phaedrus on Sept 12, 2009 9:37:07 GMT -5
There are really a few nutbags. Just give them their own board and they can please each other and let the rest of us converse.
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Post by goGopherBill on Sept 12, 2009 9:47:51 GMT -5
NUTBAGS ?
explain?
your last 10 post have been about VB where you converse freely ..and without politics.
Your last post was here.
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Post by goGopherBill on Sept 12, 2009 10:31:29 GMT -5
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 12, 2009 11:18:54 GMT -5
goGopherBill... posts like your prior remind me why I like the 140 character limit at Twitter.
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Post by goGopherBill on Sept 12, 2009 12:22:18 GMT -5
why.. thank you..!
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 12, 2009 13:22:23 GMT -5
Dump it.
This is a volleyball board, and from most evidence the primary posters/instigators on the off the net board contribute zero to the volleyball discussion.
Alternatively, if those that do participate in the volleyball side stop taking the bait - the instigators would go away.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 12, 2009 13:31:56 GMT -5
Dump it. This is a volleyball board, and from most evidence the primary posters/instigators on the off the net board contribute zero to the volleyball discussion. Alternatively, if those that do participate in the volleyball side stop taking the bait - the instigators would go away. If you want to actually try and form a community, then there is a role for non-volleyball posts. If you just want a volleyball discussion, then I suppose there isn't.
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Post by goGopherBill on Sept 12, 2009 13:32:02 GMT -5
cool..405 post on or about VB and you come here and contribute zero to political debate ..yet say ..DUMP IT?
how thoughtful.
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Post by Barky on Sept 12, 2009 14:55:43 GMT -5
A quick historical check would verify these stats..all those who oppose the way the board is going now HAD NO PROBLEM commenting daily about PRESIDENT BUSH..or their particular political point of view. Right. No one only cut & pasted propaganda from far left radical websites over and over. No one specifically posted with the intent of raising the ire of other particular posters. They were stating their political point of view. Do you not see the difference? Points of view were not stated to specifically needle the conservative posters nor as payback to them for the current national political scene. Again, I disagree. Let's use the birth certificate nonsense as an example. When it was first posted, many posters did, in fact, try to have a rational discussion. All points raised were pointedly ignored completely. In fact, in the same thread you could see people offer responses and there was absolutely no consideration given to them. There were just more repeating of the same point over and over and over as if no one had offered anything for discussion. It was clear this was not a topic offered for discussion but rather to advance a politcal agenda and to irritate others. Then you wonder why people don't even bother to respond anymore? And start claiming victory as if other posters are just left speechless by the compelling cut and paste and "baa" approach. Oh, and you say you are demanding explanations? From who? Us? I don't recall demanding for you to explain why Bush got us into a stupid war. I do recall stating that I thought it was terrible for him to do that. Again, I'm sure the difference is lost on you. Uh huh. And you expect robust discussion to come from that approach? You have done this many times. Probably true but why has it reached that point? Believe me, it is not just based on your political views. There were many posts about Bush. So what are you saying? This is payback for that? Again, you are purposely trying to irritate all the "sheep" now instead of just rationally stating (without all the "baa" and "Point me") your point of view. I'm doing that now but I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears. Again, how do you expect people to respond to that broad, totally offensive statement? In a friendly way? You know damn well that's not true. Yet, you state it as a "fact". You do this to not only be offensive but to shut down any response. (Then you have the gall to wonder why people ignore you and stop coming to this section.) That is the problem. It does not have to be a type of warfare, "us against them" "I win, you lose" type of discussion. As long as you see it that way, rational people will not want to discuss anything with you. You two do not want to discuss. shockjock has never even presented an original thought. If we wanted to read posts on a far right, conservative website, we would go there. He knows we don't want to read it, hence the constant cut and paste posts. He does not want a discussion, he wants to rile people up. You want to state your point and tell everyone else that there are wrong. Period. You want to attack liberals and democrats (specifically the ones on this board) and many other subsections of society and then act all indignant when people call you a jackass. As if you have risen above it all the time. It has nothing to do with points of view and everything to do with the intentional needling and poking at other posters who disagree with you to an extreme. In fact, that's seemingly your only purpose here. Case in point. How do you expect posters to respond to that statement and the way you phrased it? I could say, "No, that's not true. Conservatives are dividing the nation by going on the attack against a president who is doing a good job and trying his best in a hostile environment created by the far right." You would then call me a sheep and say baa. I would then call you a doofus. You would then say "I win." Rinse, lather and repeat.
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Post by gobears on Sept 12, 2009 16:59:29 GMT -5
1.6% agreed. Dump it is my preference. Used to read. Not for a long time....and these posters can even take up 90% of the last 15 posts...
Temporary solution...ban politics....and ban anyone who interjects politics into the volleyball threads....if that doesn't work, dump it altogether.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 12, 2009 18:50:26 GMT -5
cool..405 post on or about VB and you come here and contribute zero to political debate ..yet say ..DUMP IT? how thoughtful. I spend my days working in politics - I don't need to rehash those types of debates on another forum. I suppose saying dump it was too harsh - I quite frankly visited it just once and it was so argumentative and hateful - yes hateful - that I never visited again. I can continue to do what I have been doing - ignore it all together. As to my point about it being a volleyball forum, what I meant was that I think there is a certain expectation that those participate in the non-volleyball forum have a primary interest in volleyball discussions. There are several who post regularly in both forums. However, there are several posters who spend the majority of their posts in the non-volleyball forum. I belong to several forums and I guess I don't see the point of a subforum that has nothing to do with the main topic at hand, as the main topic of a volleyball forum is to increase traffic in the subject at hand. If I want a political forum I'll go find one. Same with Books. Bicycles. College Football, etc. Furthermore, I think that the discussion tones in the off the net can muddle the civility of volleyball threads when unnecessary depending on the parties involved. I'll shut up as I have proved my point about the lack of civility by the response I got to my original post.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2009 18:59:46 GMT -5
mike's point is a good one, however, I think. I do consider this a community and it is nice to talk about something else every now and then.
Believe it or not, I come here for the friendships, cyber-friendships or not.
That's why the spamming (and yes the vitriol) bother me, even when I am participating in it. (I tend to defend myself when attacked.)
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Post by romeo on Sept 12, 2009 19:00:35 GMT -5
cool..405 post on or about VB and you come here and contribute zero to political debate ..yet say ..DUMP IT? how thoughtful. I spend my days working in politics - I don't need to rehash those types of debates on another forum. I suppose saying dump it was too harsh - I quite frankly visited it just once and it was so argumentative and hateful - yes hateful - that I never visited again. I can continue to do what I have been doing - ignore it all together. As to my point about it being a volleyball forum, what I meant was that I think there is a certain expectation that those participate in the non-volleyball forum have a primary interest in volleyball discussions. There are several who post regularly in both forums. However, there are several posters who spend the majority of their posts in the non-volleyball forum. I belong to several forums and I guess I don't see the point of a subforum that has nothing to do with the main topic at hand, as the main topic of a volleyball forum is to increase traffic in the subject at hand. If I want a political forum I'll go find one. Same with Books. Bicycles. College Football, etc. Furthermore, I think that the discussion tones in the off the net can muddle the civility of volleyball threads when unnecessary depending on the parties involved. I'll shut up as I have proved my point about the lack of civility by the response I got to my original post. You are right, I suppose. But discussing non vb topics with some of the witty folks from the vb side is kind of fun. If this one gets deleted, I won't cry in my soup, but it's a shame because it used to be fun.
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