eiva
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Post by eiva on Feb 14, 2006 3:02:11 GMT -5
I can't find this anywhere on the NCAA rules. What I was looking for is info on expansion team numbers. If the number of teams are limited to four... 2 things happen.
1. A MPSF team would be eliminated from the FF. 2. MPSF would play the D3 team in round 1.....allowing the EIVA/MIVA winner to play in a final every year.
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Post by mvbdad on Feb 14, 2006 10:02:09 GMT -5
The only way this will work is if they expand the playoffs to 8 teams and have a qualifier / elimination round down to a ( real ) final 4 . Possibly a d-3 qulifier first . But then why not add in NAIA ,too . There are some better NAIA teams than Eastern and midwest d-2 and d-3 teams. This is a bad idea.
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Post by volleydog on Feb 14, 2006 10:44:37 GMT -5
There is no way this would ever be feasible unless they change the format!
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Post by CityTechLegend on Feb 14, 2006 11:11:27 GMT -5
For the LAST TIME.
1) They ARE expanding to 8 teams for next year. They haven't anounced it. 2) NAIA? That is a completely DIFFERENT collegiate sporting body. They are different to the NCAA. They are not part of each other. Learn that first, then comment. National Collegiate Athletics Association (NCAA) one type of governing body as compared to the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) the other one. 3) There are special conference and governing rules that aren't in the book that people get. Some rules are for Athletics Directors and school Presidents only. The coaches rules book is a different book. Plus there are bylaws in the NCAA that not even AD's and Prs. know about. I did the same after I was told. Heck the AVCA doesn't even know this yet and they tend to get information before anyone. Trust me I'm not making this up. If my conference director came to me to tell me this, and he was at an NCAA meeting the weekend before last. He walked up to the coaches, and told us directly, NEXT SEASON the CUNY CHAMP has the AQ. Why should I question iy? The information came from the horses mouth. Lastly..... ANY THING IS FEASIBLE. If you work for it. Our CONFERENCE director worked for it, and got it. Again, sorry.
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Post by volleydog on Feb 14, 2006 11:33:02 GMT -5
you sure you got the right end of the horse?
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Post by CityTechLegend on Feb 14, 2006 11:38:23 GMT -5
BTW:
It's amazing to me that all of you are more upset over this topic, more than you are about losing ANOTHER SCHOLARSHIP SCHOOL. Where in gods name are your priorities?! This is what is wrong with our sport. Instead of appreciating the work being done to bring all aspects of our sport forward, those that think they know would rather chastize. QUEENS COLLEGE (A CUNY & DII SCHOLAR SCHOOL) might be dropping its program. How many of you think that's horrible? NONE. We're lossing programs at the DI/II level left and right and all you guys can do is argue over is who should or shouldn't be in the NCAA Tournament. GET REAL. Why aren't you going to the president and athletics director of Queens and asking them to keep a dying sport alive. Eventually there won't be a championship to argue over. Because there won't be any teams. No school except DIII schools will sponsor men's varsity volleyball. Then what will you say? I know.... "Hey have you guys seen the latest scores? Hunter just won another CUNYAC Volleyball Championship!! Who lead them in points and kills this year?" Kind of assinine huh? Think about it, I never said I liked it. I never said it was fair. I'm a former CUNYAC Athlete and CURRENT COACH, I don't like. No, I don't think it's bad for the sport, but it's not right for a DIII to go there if they are not ready. However, we put in the work to get it. GO GET IT!!! Help the Queens Colleges of this nation keep their programs. Help the Marquettes and Berkely's of the nation GET PROGRAMS. Don't you think it's time we stopped the dum arguements and just go out and fight for the sport we love? OF COURSE NOT. That's makes too much sense. Why should we band together to get something done? You know what I'm starting to sound like a volleyball preacher.
"Can I get a witness."
The facts once again as they were presented to me are clear. Next year, 8 teams, CUNY gets the 8th seed. and YES a DIII school will be in the Big Dance. I know it doesn't sound right, but it IS TRUE. sorry.
CHANGE THE GAME. CHANGE THE RULES, if you want it to be different.
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Post by CityTechLegend on Feb 14, 2006 11:39:52 GMT -5
you sure you got the right end of the horse?
GROW UP!!!
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Post by golddigger on Feb 14, 2006 11:47:42 GMT -5
BTW: I am a former CUNYAC Athlete and CURRENT COACH, I don't like. No, I don't think it's bad for the sport, but it's not right for a DIII to go there if they are not ready. However, we put in the work to get it. &. Why are you working for it if you already admitted you guys aren't ready for the Big Dance?!?!?
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Post by volleydog on Feb 14, 2006 11:54:51 GMT -5
You obviously missed the !! If this was coming from anywhere but you and your rants it may have a little more juice. But you are the only one that is sellin this. Not saying its not true, or that you have some great pipe dream. But hearing it from another source would sure be nice.
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Post by volleydog on Feb 14, 2006 11:59:11 GMT -5
and why do you end all of you posts with "sorry"?
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Post by newburyvball on Feb 14, 2006 12:02:38 GMT -5
does it matter if the team is really ready for the tournament. when was the last time a 16 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament won a game over a 1 seed. NEVER. but that team made the tourney cause their conference was given an automatic qualifer becaue they have at least 7 teams that sponser the sport.
Since Men's Volleyball is a National Collegiate Championship, not a D1 championship that most of you think it is. Any conference with at least 7 teams will get a bid. Also if it wasn't a National Collegiate championship with all teams elgible to get in the tournament wouldnt expand. The reason why the number of teams is 8 now is becaue there are so many MVB team nation wide all divisons. So in all reality....because of Division 3 there are 4 more bids in the "national collegiate Men's volleyball championship" So you really should be thanking the d3 programs for this. So now the d1/d2 programs will get 3 more bids to the tourney. and one will go to a d3 school. i think sacraficing that one spot is worth it, because if d3 had their own tournament the national collegiate tournament would be a d1/d2 tournament and because of the low number of d1/d2 teams it would only stay at 4. remember the ratio on the women's side is for every 6.5 schools there is one team in the post season tournament.
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Post by CityTechLegend on Feb 14, 2006 12:03:48 GMT -5
From Golddigger "Why are you working for it if you already admitted you guys aren't ready for the Big Dance?!?!?"
It's not about just playing. It's about letting kids across the country know about other varsity programs. At the DIII level playing is more relaxed. Yes we have tough scheduling problems with classes and such. Yes at any DIII its more about the academics, and playing is more for fun. But you still take pride in knowing that you represent your school in a NCAA program. And you have a chance to compete for a NCAA Championship. That's what it's suppose to be about. NOt money, not scholarships...the players. The kids/students who put in the time to earn their way up to that challenge. Now CUNY's will play DI/II during the season more. They don't just have to play against DIII's. They were doing that already but now it will be more important. Will they win, maybe. But at least now these schools will get the chance to get more kids who want to play volleyball to see them. Now those kids who didn't think there were places to play will find places to play. You never know, maybe those kids will help change the face of volleyball in the DIII for a while. Or better yet, until DI/II's start adding programs again.
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Post by volleydog on Feb 14, 2006 12:06:58 GMT -5
And has it really ever been the Big Dance in volleyball? It has been more like the King & Queen spotlight dance before the dance.
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Post by CityTechLegend on Feb 14, 2006 12:09:04 GMT -5
You obviously missed the !! If this was coming from anywhere but you and your rants it may have a little more juice. But you are the only one that is sellin this. Not saying its not true, or that you have some great pipe dream. But hearing it from another source would sure be nice. You're right I did...apologies. I end it with sorry because you all seem offended more than anything about this happening. Like Newbury says...D3's are putting in th work for the sport. But we only get ONE SLOT, D1/2 get three more slots. I think that's a good ratio. Don't you?
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Post by Charlie on Feb 14, 2006 12:27:33 GMT -5
So in all reality....because of Division 3 there are 4 more bids in the "national collegiate Men's volleyball championship" So you really should be thanking the d3 programs for this. So now the d1/d2 programs will get 3 more bids to the tourney. and one will go to a d3 school. I think this analysis is correct. This whole thing is very interesting. My gut reaction is that it is a very good thing (i.e. expanding to 8 teams and having an automatic qualification for a conference). In the women's NCAA volleyball tournament, some conference winners are not particularly strong, but they get a bid. Same thing here, just on a smaller scale. Time will tell how it all works out, but having a tournament with 8 teams has to be better than one with only 4.
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