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Post by vbnerd on May 3, 2010 22:04:30 GMT -5
There is an article by Reid Priddy addressing most of these issues in the Spring edition of Volleyball USA Magazine - the one with Misty's chest on the cover.
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Post by baywatcher on May 3, 2010 23:17:47 GMT -5
Thanks. Grandson of BarcelonaBob was saying Lawson of Stanford could hit out of the back in 2 of 3 rotations. I'll assume that's actually 5 of 6 rotations while he's in the back, not being able to switch over while receiving serve at least once. Every player on the court is only backrow for 3 out of the 6 rotations in volleyball. As the L2, Lawson is backrow in rotations 1,5, and 6. In rotations 2,3, and 4 he is a frontrow player and would be attacking at the left pin. Sorry to be obtuse and inaccurate. I would divide each of the 6 rotations in two, one half being serve, the second half being serve receive, within one rotation. I have noted that when serve receiving a front row player may be "stuck" on the opposite side of his usual position, by my guess because there is insufficient time to switch to his or her side preferred side before the setter is ready. When serving there is time to run from the dictated position over to the preferred side. To me it is most noticeable when a left handed opposite ends up hitting from the left side, at least on the initial attack after passing. I was wondering if the same would apply to back row hitters while receiving serve. I do understand good OH hit from either side, perhaps just a matter of preference...or not. |
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Post by bunnywailer on May 4, 2010 0:21:48 GMT -5
There is an article by Reid Priddy addressing most of these issues in the Spring edition of Volleyball USA Magazine - the one with Misty's chest on the cover. Priddy's the man - the best OH the USA has ever produced, in any era. |
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Post by ucsdfan on May 4, 2010 0:24:08 GMT -5
OK experts - this is a quiz/question. What was PSU running so effectively a few years back w/ Andersen? Any specific version of "bic" - and outside of his height/talent - what made it work? Follow on question - more to ucsdfan, but chime in. Are you referring to the Thornton to Jablonsky "bic" - and how did this vary from the PSU Murray version? No tricks boys & girls - just looking for a little debate & bantor - not an arguement. I think the explanations above on this are really good. And just to add my 2 cents - the most effective I've seen of these are literally - as they said in the "old days" sort of a one and a half - at the correct angle past that M-hitter - with the guy flying out of the back as the blocker are coming down - or are simply confused and - especially as the setter has 4 clear options on a great pass or free ball - and the outside blockers "stuck". Great play the past years - that has come into play due to the great athleticism of the players. The Thorton-Jablo version was a thing of beauty, because as the ball left Thorton's hands, the MB was going up like a 1 and then Jablo would pop into the picture like he was riding piggyback on Smith. Thorton set the ball close to flat-footed, so the defense couldn't easily pick up the set. I honestly can't chime in with an answer to the Murray-Anderson combo, because I only saw part of the the semis and some of the finals that year. I didn't see enough of Penn State to notice. My guess is that it was a pipe though, because I think a bic would have been more memorable. Hopefully a Penn State aficionado can settle this for us. |
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Post by thumpvb on May 4, 2010 7:56:21 GMT -5
Baywatcher when you are the serving team making the changes to a preferred side really has no impact, and its a chance to get to the spot you are most comfortable as a blocker and attacker. When receiving serve it gets a little challenging because you don't want people running all over the floor in front of your passers as a 65mph jump serve is coming at them. In terms of hitters being more effective in certain zones yes many times you will see a hitter have a much higher hitting percentage on one sider versus another. That is not limited to left handed attackers on the left side. Alan Grinburgh (sp?) who played for Pepp awhile back was an example of a lefty who was very good from either side of the court. Matt Anderson a righty for Penn St. was much better on the left side than he was on the right.
ucsdfan the Murry Anderson combo was also a bic. In fact Penn St may have been the first team to utilize that play set consistently at the collegiate level. I think the tempo Murry and Anderson ran that set was faster than what PSU is running this year with Sunder.
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Post by notsocal2 on May 4, 2010 9:10:19 GMT -5
thumpvb - i would also call the Murray/Anderson a "bic" - but would need to see the "tapes", as I thought the Jablonsky/Thornton may have been faster. In any event - both memorable to me - and I thought in recent years both of these are good examples of using this as real weapon.
ucsdfan - your comment on thornton and how he did it makes a ton of sense --- I was always amazed at how the defense seemed unprepared, but it had a lot to do w/ all the players playing their role - and of course the excellent timing and athleticism. Scored a lot of points off this.
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Post by ciscokeed on May 5, 2010 8:31:17 GMT -5
One of the keys is how quick your middle gets up, and how much does the setter establish the middle. Smith was a side out machine, and got up really really fast- middles were forced to commit- or at least tap jump, and when the bic came they were no longer loaded- couldn't make a good move. When your middles are late, or slow, you can stay in read and make much better touches on the bic. So I think that your middle attack is also a huge factor in the effectiveness of the bic.
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Post by ucsdfan on May 5, 2010 10:52:43 GMT -5
One of the keys is how quick your middle gets up, and how much does the setter establish the middle. Smith was a side out machine, and got up really really fast- middles were forced to commit- or at least tap jump, and when the bic came they were no longer loaded- couldn't make a good move. When your middles are late, or slow, you can stay in read and make much better touches on the bic. So I think that your middle attack is also a huge factor in the effectiveness of the bic. As I was typing in an earlier post, I was trying to remember if they ran it with Harrell at all. I can only remember the Thorton-Jablo bic coming off of Smith's decoy. As much as a shorter set helps with the bic, I'm thinking that a taller middle helps too. And you are spot on about Smith's quickness. I don't think I ever saw Ammerman run it with DuFault, Wilson, or Yoder which I assume had more to do with Ammerman being too tall to pull it off well than the MBs being a little too slow. |
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Post by vballinchi on May 5, 2010 12:45:30 GMT -5
What are they calling the quick backrow set that's like in between an A ball and a Pipe ball in terms of location? I've seen UCI run it and I've seen some other teams run it.
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Post by notsocal2 on May 5, 2010 14:13:21 GMT -5
Another good q - vballinchi - but I have not heard of a "special" name for this one. Interesting how with certain setter & back-row attacker combos on some teams are able to now provide variations from the now "old school" pipe. As I've seen/heard it - less as a "play" and more of a situation matter - and the solid communication amongst setter and other players - often by voice inflection vs otherwise. Not all have this capability.
On a side note - I've become moderately impressed w/ this dialogue - and have to admit to all of you VT participants, dare I say colleagues in VT blogging --- you are all probably smarter than I had orginally thought! Of course thats just IMO!
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Post by rogero1 on May 5, 2010 14:21:58 GMT -5
There is an article by Reid Priddy addressing most of these issues in the Spring edition of Volleyball USA Magazine - the one with Misty's chest on the cover. Priddy's the man - the best OH the USA has ever produced, in any era. Hmmm... I guess someone is over Karch already. Karch was a better passer and the "go-to" high ball hitter (unlike Priddy). |
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Post by notsocal2 on May 5, 2010 16:51:21 GMT -5
rogero1 - I'd have to agree Karch would get my vote, if I had one. No disrespect for Priddy - he is outstanding, and we are moving to another era, but ... I don't think he can enter the Karch zone and overall accomplishments & skill during his time
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Post by notsocal2 on May 5, 2010 16:51:42 GMT -5
rogero1 - I'd have to agree Karch would get my vote, if I had one. No disrespect for Priddy - he is outstanding, and we are moving to another era, but ... I don't think he can enter the Karch zone and overall accomplishments & skill during his time
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Post by lonewolf on May 5, 2010 18:32:36 GMT -5
Another good q - vballinchi - but I have not heard of a "special" name for this one. Interesting how with certain setter & back-row attacker combos on some teams are able to now provide variations from the now "old school" pipe. As I've seen/heard it - less as a "play" and more of a situation matter - and the solid communication amongst setter and other players - often by voice inflection vs otherwise. Not all have this capability. I haven't heard of a special name for it...and rarely even heard a designation for it. Where I have seen it used, It' mostly been in a certain pattern/play set where they coach/setter says, let's run the bic/low red here. |
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Post by ucsdfan on May 6, 2010 12:16:00 GMT -5
What are they calling the quick backrow set that's like in between an A ball and a Pipe ball in terms of location? I've seen UCI run it and I've seen some other teams run it. Are you talking about when DuFault is back row and the setter is front row and it's off the MB's far shoulder? I've been wondering about that play too, because it looks like a third option bailout more than the setter's primary option. But they do it often enough that it must be a set play, and it's pretty good it terms of sideout percentage. |
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