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Post by thumpvb on May 14, 2010 12:39:54 GMT -5
It primarily comes down to maintaining offensive zones along the net in my opinion. In the men's game you need to be able to maintain minimally 3 effective zones of offense along the net in all 6 rotations. Better teams can fine tune that to as many as 5 zones. That is what keeps the opposing blockers honest and really cuts into a team's ability to set up a blocking scheme. In a system that runs the back slide you only maintain those zones with an in system pass. Out of system your left front blocker can ignore the middle going behind, and know for saftey reasons you don't run a D ball on top a back slide so they can focus on 15 to 20 feet of net that needs to be defended. Always having a right side attack via the front row attack and the D forces your opponent to defend 30 feet of net whether you are in system or not.
There have been and continue to be a few teams that use the back slide, UCSB, Lewis, and Ball St all made use of it to some degree this year. I think there is a place for it in the men's game as a change of pace. I think the fact that men spend a lot more time working on their blocking, and via the swing block are able to be much faster and bigger enabling them to really cut down on the effectiveness of the back slide if they know it is coming.
it works great for the women in part because while the women are great with ball control they quite frankly suck at blocking. Please note I lay the blame for that more at the feet of the coaches than the players. Blocking is just not a point of emphasis for them when they know they can dig 80-90% of the shots without the block.
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Post by Murina on May 26, 2010 1:07:27 GMT -5
Andrea Giani, the greatest indoor player ever in our sport, is known as a true gentleman both on and off the court. No one has ever questioned his mental toughness or his ability to win at any level. Except the Olympics! ;D Sorry, I couldn't resist. |
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Post by Murina on May 26, 2010 2:46:29 GMT -5
Since we have so many smart people on this board, someone explain to me why the women almost exclusively hit pipe, but the men hit back row on the right also. As a matter of fact, seems to me that it's only been in the last few years that men have hit the pipe much at all. There have been several good answers to this already, but I have one more thought. The window of what is a good set in women's volleyball is much smaller than in men's volleyball, especially with regards to back row attack. I think the pipe/bic is easier to locate well than setting position 1. |
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Post by ciscokeed on May 26, 2010 8:11:16 GMT -5
The women's game always lags behind the men's game. I think you will see Hugh implementing a more diverse backrow attack, and then you will see a trickle down effect in a year or two. There are also some other issues with the women's game. In college with a two week pre season before you play important matches you just don't have a lot of time to put in more complex systems. If it was a spring sport, I think you would see more diverse offenses and blocking schemes, but the tiny amount of prep time often forces teams to stay pretty simple...I suppose you could put systems in the spring, but there is not always a carry over. That being said, you will see more diverse backrow swings- but again it will be a trickle down from Hugh.
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Post by bunnywailer on May 26, 2010 9:45:42 GMT -5
Andrea Giani, the greatest indoor player ever in our sport, is known as a true gentleman both on and off the court. No one has ever questioned his mental toughness or his ability to win at any level. Except the Olympics! ;D Sorry, I couldn't resist. Haha. Yeah, poor dude. I'd say the only one they really blew it in was 1992. In 1996, they just ran into a Dutch team that played completely outa their ass in the final. In 2000, the Italians just weren't as strong. And in 2004, Brazil was clearly the better all-around team. I never understood the Italian coaching love affair with Paolo Tofoli. Don't get me wrong, he's a great player but I thought in the early years that Vullo should have been the starter, and in 1996 they were quick to yank Meoni and replace him with the much shorter and older Tofoli. |
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Post by bunnywailer on May 26, 2010 9:49:11 GMT -5
Since we have so many smart people on this board, someone explain to me why the women almost exclusively hit pipe, but the men hit back row on the right also. As a matter of fact, seems to me that it's only been in the last few years that men have hit the pipe much at all. There have been several good answers to this already, but I have one more thought. The window of what is a good set in women's volleyball is much smaller than in men's volleyball, especially with regards to back row attack. I think the pipe/bic is easier to locate well than setting position 1. Also, most women aren't as dynamic and don't have the hitting range of the men from the right side, especially from the backrow right side. You have to be able to really pop it down the line and thread the block, or be able to hit really sharp crosscourt from the D to hit for good numbers. Most women can't do it. Watch a typical men's D attack and the balls are landing an inch inside the sideline down the line, or really hard cross court. You need that kind of precise hitting to beat the block. Most women don't have the armswings or the armspeed to hit those areas or beat the block from the backrow. The pipe set opens up more of the court, and is more effective as a backrow attack for the women's game. |
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Post by ciscokeed on May 26, 2010 9:59:03 GMT -5
Women can hit the D ball- and the blocking is worse in the women's game, so the D swing does not have to be so precise. I think that it is more of a herd mentality. Lots of teams are running the pipe, so now we run the pipe. Oh, teams are speeding up the pipe, now we are running it faster...The slide may have a little to do with it, but you can still run the D in more of a slot, and it can still be very effective. Again, not many women's coaches run creative offenses...they just copy what they see being run...
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Post by VBSH 2 on Nov 21, 2018 23:24:36 GMT -5
Pierce College ran the back slide last year to win state, they also had a 6'9" and a 6'7" middles |
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Post by CityTechLegend on Nov 22, 2018 6:13:19 GMT -5
Sorry to show ignorance, but can somebody explain the difference between a bic and a pipe? I understand both are back row attacks. Also, does the serve receive position of a back row player restrict, as a practical, not legal, matter, the type of back row attack that player can do. From what I have heard, from the current USC men's HC, he and Stein Metzger developed the BIC during their UCLA days. They had just come back, with the Bruin team, from a trip to Japan where they "toyed" with a set that was a "back row 1" or quick attack, on a lark. Upon returning to practice, they refined it. OR SO THE STORY GOES. There was no hand signal for the play yet, and Stein (or Jeff) just flicked his thumb in the motion of a lighter. A BIC lighter. Hence this is where the name and the play allegedly came from. Again...so the story goes. Now as for the difference, that's pretty simple. Yes the locations are similar: central zone of the court, just off the middle hitters shoulder; the major difference is tempo. The BIC is second to last or last step set to the attacker (if you're running it at it's fastest tempo). Compared to the higher slower tempo of the PIPE. You could say this set is more of a first or second step tempo play. |
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