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Post by vballinchi on May 6, 2010 13:51:42 GMT -5
Yeah, the one where it's almost a bic but he comes in more to the left if you are looking from behind them.
I've seen UCI run it, and I've seen Loyola run it, mostly with Bunting but also with Berzins and once with Kamberos.
I've seen Lewis run a play too where the middle ran a slide, the lefty opposite form 2009 came in on a quick backrow attack that was in between a pipe and a D, and he was wide open and just smashed it to the floor. (Iandolo pretty much put it at the spot of the net that that a back one would be at, but backrow and height of a bic.) I thought that was a fun play. Never seen it run elsewhere though.
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Post by vbnerd on May 6, 2010 15:50:10 GMT -5
What are they calling the quick backrow set that's like in between an A ball and a Pipe ball in terms of location? I've seen UCI run it and I've seen some other teams run it. Mr. Priddy says "There are typically three variations of the BIC: -The 30 - a set between Zones 3 and 4 (in the gap) -The BIC- which is straight up (over the top of the middle blocker) -The 40 - a set right off the setter's shoulder" |
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Post by vballinchi on May 6, 2010 18:45:56 GMT -5
Well there you go. The UCI version/Loyola versions I saw would then be classified as the "30" and the Lewis version I saw would be a "40" (maybe a little farther towards the right side than a 40).
I wonder how the setter signals those before a play?
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Post by ucsdfan on May 6, 2010 23:10:00 GMT -5
I've seen Lewis run a play too where the middle ran a slide, the lefty opposite form 2009 came in on a quick backrow attack that was in between a pipe and a D, and he was wide open and just smashed it to the floor. (Iandolo pretty much put it at the spot of the net that that a back one would be at, but backrow and height of a bic.) I thought that was a fun play. Never seen it run elsewhere though. I would love to see that play and more plays like it. Keenan at Pepperdine used to run a slide and it worked to perfection. I know it's a girl's move, but if it works, why not run it. And if it opens up the oppo to take an atypical approach, then that's even better. |
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Post by bunnywailer on May 7, 2010 4:28:37 GMT -5
rogero1 - I'd have to agree Karch would get my vote, if I had one. No disrespect for Priddy - he is outstanding, and we are moving to another era, but ... I don't think he can enter the Karch zone and overall accomplishments & skill during his time You guys need to stop kidding yourselves. Karch never had to pass jumpserves coming at him in excess of 70mph. Karch never had to hit against 6'7" blockers. Karch was average to slightly above average as a leftside hitter his entire career indoors. He benefitted from the fact that blocking in that era was magnificently crappy, and that most other teams concentrated on stopping Team USA's other more high-profile hitters like Powers, Timmons, and Buck. Karch was the best player of his era, and certainly the most decorated US player ever in the history of our sport (3 Gold Medals). But from a raw volleyball talent and ability standpoint, he is nowhere near the player Priddy is. Case in point - if Karch were at the peak of his physical abilities today the only position he could possibly play and prosper at would be libero. |
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Post by bunnywailer on May 7, 2010 4:31:09 GMT -5
And we're not "moving" to another era - we've been 2-3 generations removed from Karch's era for years already.
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Post by lonewolf on May 7, 2010 10:26:48 GMT -5
Case in point - if Karch were at the peak of his physical abilities today the only position he could possibly play and prosper at would be libero. Which he has even admitted to more than once. |
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Post by CityTechLegend on May 7, 2010 10:40:29 GMT -5
I though the "bic" was started by Jeff Nygaard and Stein Metzger at UCLA after Nygaard came back from National team training his senior year.
Al Scates was trying to find a away to use Jeff from the back row, while having a modified three middle rotation and Jeff wasn't at the net. The name (from what I understand) came from figuring out a way to call the play without calling it a "pipe," since a "pipe set is a higher set than the "bic," and generally in the same location.
As I have heard the story go: Jeff and Stein came up with the name of "Bic" because the way they called the play (a flipped up thumb) looks like a Bic lighter. I never heard about the Back Row Quick thing...wouldn't that be more "BRIQ" or "BROQ?" Just a thought.
I could be wrong, I'll look up something that has evidence to the fact but THAT is the STORY I heard one time, again I could be wrong.
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Post by CityTechLegend on May 7, 2010 10:46:37 GMT -5
HERE IS THE VIDEO, WITH JEFF HIMSELF EXPLAINING HOW THE "BIC CAME TO THE USA SYSTEM:
From the horses mouth:
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Post by junior1 on May 7, 2010 10:49:02 GMT -5
Kinda everybody does their own thing in terms of setting systems and audibles. Not a bad idea if you are trying to prevent cadge-ing of systems.
One other way I heard the Bic was named had to do with the old attack corridors (A, B, pipe, C, D).
... a quick b, or a bq, was named the bic (not quite central of the court like the pipe, but using the middle as a tandem draw rather than a stack draw), also heard of some squads using the cq, sick, too... funny though I never heard anyone use the nomenclature dq... I wonder why?
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Post by Semp12 on May 8, 2010 15:59:50 GMT -5
rogero1 - I'd have to agree Karch would get my vote, if I had one. No disrespect for Priddy - he is outstanding, and we are moving to another era, but ... I don't think he can enter the Karch zone and overall accomplishments & skill during his time You guys need to stop kidding yourselves. Karch never had to pass jumpserves coming at him in excess of 70mph. Karch never had to hit against 6'7" blockers. Karch was average to slightly above average as a leftside hitter his entire career indoors. He benefitted from the fact that blocking in that era was magnificently crappy, and that most other teams concentrated on stopping Team USA's other more high-profile hitters like Powers, Timmons, and Buck. Karch was the best player of his era, and certainly the most decorated US player ever in the history of our sport (3 Gold Medals). But from a raw volleyball talent and ability standpoint, he is nowhere near the player Priddy is. Case in point - if Karch were at the peak of his physical abilities today the only position he could possibly play and prosper at would be libero. Priddy is a unbelievable. Good chance this next Olympics we will see him on one of the two US Beach Volleyball teams. |
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Post by notsocal2 on May 8, 2010 20:03:49 GMT -5
Sorry - Karch got the vote, and Priddy got the acknowledgement of a terrific player these days. We will need to live with that, and move on.
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Post by baywatcher on May 8, 2010 23:52:50 GMT -5
So which one was Lawson hitting v. Penn State?
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Post by lonewolf on May 9, 2010 0:13:17 GMT -5
So which one was Lawson hitting v. Penn State? He hit a few different back row sets. Some pipes, a few bics, (and some that were a little higher than normal), as well as a tempo gap set between 5 & 6. |
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Post by bunnywailer on May 9, 2010 1:22:06 GMT -5
Sorry - Karch got the vote, and Priddy got the acknowledgement of a terrific player these days. We will need to live with that, and move on. Sorry, I know it sucks for you to be wrong. But you are. You want to keep living in 1986 that's on you. Bet you still play volleyball with a white ball and serve from the right corner of the endline too, don't you? |
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