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Post by matt4pres on Apr 2, 2007 15:30:05 GMT -5
Carrol, Winder, Paduk, .... Who is your choice for this years MVP?
Paul Carrol and Padduk (spl) both must be fornt runners but what about John Winder. I think he is overlooked. He is by far the best setter in the country as well as being one of the best blockers and diggers, not to mention court leader. He is a game changing player. What do you think. Paul is my second choice by the way
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Post by fingrbustr on Apr 2, 2007 15:48:56 GMT -5
Winder and Carroll, I agree. I used to think Carroll would run away with it, but Winder's contributions just can't be overlooked.
How about ROY? I was thinking GarrettM @ UCLA all along, but I dunno...Kevin Ker is looking pretty darn valuable.
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Post by OC4 on Apr 2, 2007 20:25:02 GMT -5
Cala is the best overall, but not the most valuable.
Very tough decision on Carroll and Patak, where would UCSB be without Patak?
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Post by matt4pres on Apr 2, 2007 20:34:52 GMT -5
Cala is not close to being the best. Highest jumper, yes; best hitter, maybe; best volleyball player no way. Volleyball happens to involve more than just jumping high and hitting well. Maybe if BYU would learn this they would number one. Cala is an unorganized blocker and not a good passer. He obviosuly is not a good teammate or he might get more sets.
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Post by shankapotamus on Apr 2, 2007 20:58:19 GMT -5
Winder would have to be the POTY. His game is more refined and he's running the court well, blocking, dumping and keeping teams off-balanced.
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Post by thor on Apr 3, 2007 0:59:32 GMT -5
To matt4pres and few other previous writers... good points, but:
Cala is close to being the best. He happened to be a starter in the Cuban national team (like Carrol for AUS last fall) before he came to NCAA. I'm not bringing up any issues about his origins, but that fact alone is a strong statement for his abilities. You are right, he is not a great passer but he can for sure pass his own and enough for byu to be good. He is a great hitter, an ok (not great, but not bad either) blocker and he has a great serve. In defence he is better than patak and carroll, who by the way are both bad blockers, and don't pass at all (ok, carroll sometimes)... Well their position is different but still.
The only reason cala is not getting more sets is because he doesn't have to. Perez and Stowell get their share, everyone is 3.5-4.2 kpg and high/good percentage. It is a good fast offense ran by good coaches and a good team... Which by the way is much more of team this year than last because now they have a coaches with authority. Everyone is valuable but the POY should not go to any of them since nobody makes the difference alone, although they could. Hawaii was in a similar situation last year, the three foreigners shared offensive responsibility and all hit high numbers because nobodys plate was too full.
Perez and Cala 1-Team AA, Stowell or BYU's setter Yamil Perez 2-Team and the ROY. Muagututia or whatever his name is is hitting way smaller numbers than Stowell. And by the way, the fourth AA for byu will be Russel Holmes, 1-Team I bet.
Now when it comes to the POY, there are three candidates, Patak, Carroll and Winder. The most valuable for the team alone is Patak, that is just a fact. However, POY tends to go to a player in one of the top teams (1-3) and I doubt that even at their best UCSB cant reach that in mpsf or national rankings after regular season... Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe Patak gets it- he sure would deserve it- but I think I pepp guy will receive it.
And out of these two... It is rare for a setter to get it (but e.g. byu's Moreno proves that it's possible) but somehow I think Winder has a good shot at the award. Is he by far the best setter? No, beckwith with the same pepp crew would do the same job. Not taking anything away from anyone, but if Hawaii had not messed up with their line-up forever and had one more OH they'd be up there. But that is a sidetrack, point being beckwith is (almost?) as good as winder, those two are on the top... As a setter beckwith is more deceptive... Winder plays for safe and makes less errors. both average real good over 1.0 bpg, winder a bit better blocker I think. beckwiths serve is way better. Winder better defence, although beckwith also good. When winder was out and it hurt pepp (obviously), he got back and they got a lot better in an instant.
Carroll would be a very obvious choice for POY, the ace, kpg and OH/opp hitting % leader of the number 1 team in the country. Or maybe both ROY and POY will go to a setter? That would be interesting to see. Ok, I know, my comment got a bit sidetracked but anyhow... Comments?
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Post by VBaller23 on Apr 3, 2007 4:43:45 GMT -5
If Perez and Cala would both roll up their sleeves then I think they should be co-poty because they are definitely the coolest people on the planet. (sarcasm) There is no way in hell perez will get 1st team AA and Cala does not EVER deserve POTY because he is one of the most arrogant players I have ever seen. He has more natural talent than anyone but wastes it by showing off and playing half ass most of the time because he knows he is better than anyone in the nation. And if anyone thinks I am a BYU basher you are dead wrong because I'm not, BYU definitely wins the award for the most talented players with the most rotten attitudes for 2007. Someone from Pepperdine deserves POTY... not BYU. Cala will be 1st team AA, as he should be, because he is definitely the best OH in the nation... aside from his passing. He has the ability to hit over people, something OH's have not been able to do since the Rooney years. Perez should be considered in AA but definitely not 1st team... there are definitely more deserving candidates for that.
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 3, 2007 10:18:55 GMT -5
Haha. I remember when Moreno got POY. What a joke.
Who the hell cares if Cala played with the Cuban National Team? They aren't even good anymore and haven't been since all of their star athletes defected and went to play pro in Europe. They can't even get out of NORCECA to qualify for the Olympics anymore.
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 3, 2007 10:21:21 GMT -5
BTW, it is not "rare" for a setter to win POY. Mike Sealy, Stein Metzger, Brandon Taliaferro. All examples of setters who won POY.
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Post by VBbeast on Apr 3, 2007 11:54:43 GMT -5
Aye not rare for setters to win, but I would give Carroll the nod this year I think. He's just been so solid for pep every match it seems.
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Post by thor on Apr 3, 2007 16:45:12 GMT -5
True, thanks for pointing that out with the setters, there has been a few... Pretty rare still, on the AVCA website out the 16 years the POY has been given, Ceman, Metzger (co-POY), Suxho, Moreno have received it. Hitters have still been more likely to receive it. Talifierro and Sealy were not on the list though, Ceman and Suxho got it during their time. Can someone correct if I'm looking at the wrong thing here? Why exactly would Perez not deserve 1-Team AA? he has enough kpg, he has the hitting % and he is a great all-around player, I can't think of any OH besides cala who would deserve it more! And the whole attitude thing... Byu has mellowed down a lot from last year like I pointed out, stop hating just because they are good players and look like it too. A good player has court-presense... Although I do agree too much is bad. And Cala is hitting .400 for the year, I'm sorry that is not half ass. Also, 38 Skynyrd, I do care about the fact that cala started in cuban national team. True, they are not the one of the best in the world anymore because many of their best players defect and go play in Italy etc. Still, you can't say that making that team and starting for it isn't an achievement. Cuban national team would walk over everyone in NCAA. If I'm not mistaken here's an example of how 'bad' they are: Cuba lost 15-13 in 5th to USA in the deciding match that determined who gets to go to the last olympics... And Cala was on the court... Again corrections encouraged. And the argument that an arrogant player shouldn't get POY is just stupid. I don't care how arrogant you are, if you are the best and most valuable and HELP your team, you should get it. I doubt that the people who decide for the awards consider it either, it is not on the criteria list
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 3, 2007 17:14:55 GMT -5
My bad on Taliaferro. He should have been a 2x POY. In 1998, he would have been my pick over Roumain, and in 2000 he would have been my pick over Suxho.
I think Sealy was Volleyball Mag's POY in 1993, not sure what year AVCA took over.
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 3, 2007 17:17:01 GMT -5
And Cala is hitting .400 for the year, I'm sorry that is not half ass. Also, 38 Skynyrd, I do care about the fact that cala started in cuban national team. True, they are not the one of the best in the world anymore because many of their best players defect and go play in Italy etc. Still, you can't say that making that team and starting for it isn't an achievement. Cuban national team would walk over everyone in NCAA. If I'm not mistaken here's an example of how 'bad' they are: Cuba lost 15-13 in 5th to USA in the deciding match that determined who gets to go to the last olympics... And Cala was on the court... Again corrections encouraged. Nah, no corrections needed. Comparing them to Team USA isn't as flattering as you think it is. ;D
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Post by Mac on Apr 3, 2007 17:22:06 GMT -5
Can Cala play on the US national team? (if they wanted him)
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Post by thor on Apr 3, 2007 17:30:16 GMT -5
Haha, trust me, I know how good team USA is these days. In the last World Championships the European dominance (with of course the mighty Brazil) was obvious, and many things are not at all like they were 10-20 years ago. However when compared to the kitty-pool NCAA, all national teams that are any good in the world are very very good... I think we re on the same page on that. I think cala could play but who knows what kind of paperwork that would require?
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