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Post by OverAndUnder on Jul 30, 2012 14:26:40 GMT -5
From the international stats thread:
3 points for winning 3-0 or 3-1, 2 points for winning 3-2. 0 points for losing 3-0 or 3-1, 1 point for losing 3-2.
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Post by pogoball on Jul 30, 2012 14:30:55 GMT -5
IIRC, 3-0 and 3-1 both result in 3 points for winner, 0 for loser. 3-2 results in 2pts for winner, 1 for loser.
I understand putting Haneef in for just one play, but I don't understand why he doesn't just go ahead and do the full double sub for the play? Thompson will provide a better serve and better defense and Hooker's back row attack is less likely to be utilized with Tom setting.
On a related note, I like the double-sub. Wouldn't it make more sense to use it earlier in the set instead of late when players are colder?
Great match for 3 sets. Very sloppy in 4th, but hard to maintain that level of play for that long. My favorite play was a MB dig (can't remember who), followed by Davis running far offcourt and putting a ball up to Tom who took the extra high set over her back shoulder and tooled the top left of the block for a kill. 3 fantastic plays to win the point.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 30, 2012 14:36:14 GMT -5
sorry if this has been mentioned earlier, but how many points does the US get for their 3-1 wins over Korea and Brasil? What would they have earned if they swept or went to five? Thanks in advance. You're not the only one confused, someone else enlightened me. Win in 3 or 4, you get 3 points. Win in 5, you get 2 points. Lose in 3 or 4, you get zero. Lose in 5 you get 1 point.
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Post by crawdaddy on Jul 30, 2012 14:52:19 GMT -5
You can't sub Thompson in for Tom because most of the time she has already subbed in for Hooker. Hugh has done this before and has been successful. It has mostly been at the end of sets. It gives the other teams OH something to think about. Okay, I'm obviously clueless on the international substitution rules. So if Thompson goes in for Hooker in one set, she can only go in for Hooker in subsequent sets?
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Post by stillcrazy on Jul 30, 2012 15:03:53 GMT -5
.....I understand putting Haneef in for just one play, but I don't understand why he doesn't just go ahead and do the full double sub for the play? Thompson will provide a better serve and better defense and Hooker's back row attack is less likely to be utilized with Tom setting. I thought Tom would be setting the pipe to DH. Having Destinee as an option seems like the only reason Hugh wouldn't have made the double sub.
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Post by melissajo on Jul 30, 2012 15:06:39 GMT -5
No your right, I'm just saying normally that wouldn't work because she would have already been subbed in for Hooker in the double sub. But in this case she wasn't yet.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 30, 2012 15:09:20 GMT -5
Did anyone count the subs? Maybe he was saving a sub if he needed it later, like for putting Berg back in for Haneef.
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Post by Mocha on Jul 30, 2012 15:09:42 GMT -5
Nice call
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Post by Mocha on Jul 30, 2012 15:22:38 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 30, 2012 15:27:12 GMT -5
I just finished watching it "live" on NBC. Seems like they still have a different definition of live for people on the West Coast than for people in other time zones.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 30, 2012 15:32:41 GMT -5
I just finished watching it "live" on NBC. Seems like they still have a different definition of live for people on the West Coast than for people in other time zones. Who are you going to believe, NBC or your lying common sense?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 15:35:59 GMT -5
Thompson comes in for Hooker. So two possibilities: 1) he prefers Hooker's serve and/or 2) he wants to keep Hooker in for the back row attack (although less likely with no setter).
Regardless, the whole idea is to score a point. He's making the sub he feels most likely to score that point.
And, no. Thompson can sub for someone else in a different game. But he's not going to do that. He's going to stick with the strategies they've been using.
Sub rule is six subs, one re-entry allowed.
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Post by crawdaddy on Jul 30, 2012 15:45:12 GMT -5
Thompson comes in for Hooker. So two possibilities: 1) he prefers Hooker's serve and/or 2) he wants to keep Hooker in for the back row attack (although less likely with no setter). Regardless, the whole idea is to score a point. He's making the sub he feels most likely to score that point. And, no. Thompson can sub for someone else in a different game. But he's not going to do that. He's going to stick with the strategies they've been using. Sub rule is six subs, one re-entry allowed. I understand leaving Hooker in for all the reasons you cited, but I don't see any reason not to put Thomspon in for Tom in that scenario. You're not saving Thompson for anything. Her defense will be as good (probably better) than Tom's and she can set in transition. Am I missing something?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 15:51:09 GMT -5
Her defense is nowhere near as good as Tom's -- and I think CT is a very good defensive player. You don't gain enough to make up for what you lose.
Again, what's going to maximize your chances of scoring a point? CT for Tom won't.
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Post by crawdaddy on Jul 30, 2012 15:56:13 GMT -5
Her defense is nowhere near as good as Tom's -- and I think CT is a very good defensive player. You don't gain enough to make up for what you lose. Again, what's going to maximize your chances of scoring a point? CT for Tom won't. I know we're quibbling over a trivial point and that Hugh obviously knows what he's doing, but I don't understand how having your outside hitter set in transition over a setter is going to maximize your chances of scoring a point. And while Tom is an awesome defensive player, she's playing out of position when she moves to the right back. Anway, this U.S. team is awesome and I am so impressed with the rookies!
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