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Post by ay2013 on Jul 30, 2012 20:27:30 GMT -5
Hahah... Who would have thought a few years ago that brazil would outblock the USA but we would outdig them??! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) they only out stuff blocked the USA, the USA block got more quality touches on the ball than Brazil.
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Post by pogoball on Jul 30, 2012 21:27:38 GMT -5
Oh, and I do need to make mention of the outstanding overall passing by Davis. Yes, she totally blew the freeball, but otherwise, her receiving was just money. It could very well have been the reason that Brazil had so many service errors. They were doing everything they could to create scoring chances.
I gave her a bad mark after the first match, so only fair she gets props for this one.
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Post by sharp716 on Jul 31, 2012 2:22:40 GMT -5
I ask again. Did anyone count subs? Maybe we were down to 1. USA still had all 6 subs when Haneef went in for Berg in the 4th. Second sub used to put Berg back in. Third sub was Tama in for Harmotto. Not having a setter on the floor during USA's serve isn't unusual. Hugh has used the single blocking sub during the Grand Prix matches and in the match vs Bulgaria. Hugh and Knipe have both done this plenty on the men's side. Even back when Hoff was around, he would sometimes get subbed in for a front row setter for half a rotation.
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Post by mplssetter on Jul 31, 2012 3:25:00 GMT -5
Surprised no one has mentioned the double sub in Set 3. If I remember correctly it was a particularly ineffective and detrimental sub. 21 All. The usual double sub with Thompson/Haneef-Park for Berg/Hooker. Fabiana kill off Thompson serve. 22-21 Brazil. First Thompson set goes to Haneef-Park. Roofed. 23-21 Brazil with momentum. Berg/Hooker back into rotation. Yeah the double sub didn't really work out that time and Hugh was quick to unwind it. Although, I would say that it not working had more to do with Thompson's decision to set a cold Haneef-Park on the left. The pass was perfect, I'm not sure why she didn't run the middle.
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Post by itsallrelative on Jul 31, 2012 6:32:06 GMT -5
Is anyone else struck by how little we used the Bic? It seemed like we used it more earlier in the year.
I thought Davis played great. while the free ball error was bad...it was one error.
Looking at the stats....31% excellent for 1 & 2, 15% for 3, and 43% for 4 shows the story of the match.
Will we see Thompson again in the Double Sub? it looked like there was a lot of confidence lost in the decision to set HP.....
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 31, 2012 7:41:09 GMT -5
Yeah the double sub didn't really work out that time and Hugh was quick to unwind it. Although, I would say that it not working had more to do with Thompson's decision to set a cold Haneef-Park on the left. The pass was perfect, I'm not sure why she didn't run the middle. My dad said the announcers were saying something about this. (I didn't hear it because I was watching with the sound muted.) I think this idea that she shouldn't have set to Haneef-Park because she had just come in is mistaken. When Thompson (or anybody) comes in off the bench, she's expected to make the plays, even if she is "cold." Why shouldn't she be expecting Haneef-Park to do the same? If there is anybody on the floor who can't be expected to perform her job for whatever reason, isn't that Hugh's issue to deal with? Now if she trap set her or set her into a double block when there was a better option available, then that's obviously not the best choice. But otherwise surely you have to expect that your teammates are going to execute their job. Otherwise you don't have a team, you have a group of six individuals.
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Post by itsallrelative on Jul 31, 2012 8:25:08 GMT -5
Yeah the double sub didn't really work out that time and Hugh was quick to unwind it. Although, I would say that it not working had more to do with Thompson's decision to set a cold Haneef-Park on the left. The pass was perfect, I'm not sure why she didn't run the middle. My dad said the announcers were saying something about this. (I didn't hear it because I was watching with the sound muted.) I think this idea that she shouldn't have set to Haneef-Park because she had just come in is mistaken. When Thompson (or anybody) comes in off the bench, she's expected to make the plays, even if she is "cold." Why shouldn't she be expecting Haneef-Park to do the same? If there is anybody on the floor who can't be expected to perform her job for whatever reason, isn't that Hugh's issue to deal with? Now if she trap set her or set her into a double block when there was a better option available, then that's obviously not the best choice. But otherwise surely you have to expect that your teammates are going to execute their job. Otherwise you don't have a team, you have a group of six individuals. Isn't HP an opposite who struggles a bit on the OH? (as opposed to Hooker, who definately does not) The middle was available, and I'm assuming that both the bic and OH on the right were as well. (I don't remember the play precisely). LT was almost unstoppable from the right.
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Post by pogoball on Jul 31, 2012 8:29:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I disagreed with the whole "cold" thing, perhaps the staff felt that the set was just a poor choice given her other options. It was pretty clear by the quick hook that they didn't like what just transpired.
It could simply be that they felt that Hooker had been playing so well that taking her out at all was not a good choice and had nothing to do with the double-sub.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 31, 2012 8:51:43 GMT -5
From what I've seen, Hugh understands the role of failure in statistical probability. That is to say, if something doesn't work once (or more than once) it doesn't necessarily mean that it's not still your best strategy. I tend to doubt that a single sequence of plays would make him suddenly abandon a strategy which has obvious been built over a span of months.
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Post by austintatious on Jul 31, 2012 9:26:53 GMT -5
Still support the double sub. It works sometimes but others it doesn't. It has paid off earlier in the tournament and many variables decide whether it is a success or not. It is part of Hugh's game plan, we will see it again, and hopefully with more consistent results.
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Post by baywatcher on Jul 31, 2012 10:01:38 GMT -5
USA was playing really well the first two sets yesterday. The double sub has to be at least topical; perhaps not utilize it when your dominating the #2 team in the world. Or if Hooker is in her zone, or if, like yesterday, the block is not scoring points. if Wang is getting her game together a dose of Haneef may be just what is needed.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 31, 2012 10:15:17 GMT -5
Well, yeah, any tactic should be used tactically. If it doesn't seem to be needed or if it seems like the wrong tactic for a given situation, then you don't do it.
That being said, it was used in the first two sets, when (as you note) the team was playing really well. It was also used in the third set where they struggled a bit.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jul 31, 2012 12:34:54 GMT -5
Yeah the double sub didn't really work out that time and Hugh was quick to unwind it. Although, I would say that it not working had more to do with Thompson's decision to set a cold Haneef-Park on the left. The pass was perfect, I'm not sure why she didn't run the middle. My dad said the announcers were saying something about this. (I didn't hear it because I was watching with the sound muted.) I think this idea that she shouldn't have set to Haneef-Park because she had just come in is mistaken. When Thompson (or anybody) comes in off the bench, she's expected to make the plays, even if she is "cold." Why shouldn't she be expecting Haneef-Park to do the same? If there is anybody on the floor who can't be expected to perform her job for whatever reason, isn't that Hugh's issue to deal with? Now if she trap set her or set her into a double block when there was a better option available, then that's obviously not the best choice. But otherwise surely you have to expect that your teammates are going to execute their job. Otherwise you don't have a team, you have a group of six individuals. Haneef did look like she wasn't ready, so maybe the play wasn't called for her. Or Thompson just made a bad read. Still just one play. She was probably more down on herself than Hugh was. One thing he's looking for with the double-sub is to switch the momentum. Not going to happen every time, however.
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Post by lonewolf on Jul 31, 2012 14:29:10 GMT -5
USA still had all 6 subs when Haneef went in for Berg in the 4th. Second sub used to put Berg back in. Third sub was Tama in for Harmotto. Not having a setter on the floor during USA's serve isn't unusual. Hugh has used the single blocking sub during the Grand Prix matches and in the match vs Bulgaria. It's not uncommon at the international level, and you see it done at the college level sometimes as well. Hugh and Knipe have both done this plenty on the men's side. Even back when Hoff was around, he would sometimes get subbed in for a front row setter for half a rotation.
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Post by mplssetter on Jul 31, 2012 15:05:31 GMT -5
Yeah the double sub didn't really work out that time and Hugh was quick to unwind it. Although, I would say that it not working had more to do with Thompson's decision to set a cold Haneef-Park on the left. The pass was perfect, I'm not sure why she didn't run the middle. My dad said the announcers were saying something about this. (I didn't hear it because I was watching with the sound muted.) I think this idea that she shouldn't have set to Haneef-Park because she had just come in is mistaken. When Thompson (or anybody) comes in off the bench, she's expected to make the plays, even if she is "cold." Why shouldn't she be expecting Haneef-Park to do the same? If there is anybody on the floor who can't be expected to perform her job for whatever reason, isn't that Hugh's issue to deal with? Now if she trap set her or set her into a double block when there was a better option available, then that's obviously not the best choice. But otherwise surely you have to expect that your teammates are going to execute their job. Otherwise you don't have a team, you have a group of six individuals. You make a good point, however, some things to consider; HP isn't brought in for her terminating ability (especially on the left). She's brought in to block and give the opposing OH something to think about. Anything else is icing on the cake. I just think there were better setting options in that rally. However, I also agree that you can also put the fault on HP for not delivering a kill. The set looked ok. Anyway, my point wasn't to call out those two players. The poster I was responding to was asking why nobody was bringing up the fact that the double sub didn't work? I'm just saying that it was individual(s) making a mistake rather than the system failing.
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