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Post by guest2 on Sept 19, 2013 13:02:05 GMT -5
I was looking something up and realized the Ken I had seen play was not Hahn, it was Engels. Anything I posted about Hahn should be read with that in mind
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Post by JB Southpaw on Sept 19, 2013 13:11:58 GMT -5
I was looking something up and realized the Ken I had seen play was not Hahn, it was Engels. Anything I posted about Hahn should be read with that in mind that makes me feel a bit better! you are younger than me, and had remembered so much about Haan. |
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Post by guest2 on Sept 19, 2013 14:41:12 GMT -5
I would pay for video of any of the early Molson tournies. Did anyone who watched them remember the Nigerian team. The big guy on that team, Tunde' I think was his name, hit some balls that would have awed George Roumain
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Post by vballit on Sept 19, 2013 22:27:23 GMT -5
I would pay for video of any of the early Molson tournies. Did anyone who watched them remember the Nigerian team. The big guy on that team, Tunde' I think was his name, hit some balls that would have awed George Roumain For his weight and size George Roumain was not a very good hitter, just a big idiot who over trained in the weight room and messed his body up for life TheVolleyballGod
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Post by austintatious on Sept 28, 2013 16:53:58 GMT -5
Not sure where Gabrielle Reece falls...whatever. She is her own special snowflake. When Nancy Cothron (Townsend) and her sister Donna were a team in the mid 80s they took a 2nd and lst back to back years at the Chicago Open, losing in the finals to Gregory and partner, Opalinski maybe, and beating Linda Hanley and partner the next year. I know Donna gave it up much much earlier than Nancy who was competing at a high level just 3 or 4 years ago, but should be considered at least for Honorable Mention. |
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Post by tommygun on Aug 21, 2014 7:32:21 GMT -5
I thought on this for a while, maybe too long. I started playing in volleyball tournaments in 1987 (15 yrs old), in the Clearwater/St. Pete area. I don't remember everything from the early days, and teams were for sure more local. Don Worley (SP), in Sarasota had the best tournaments because he drew both the East Coasters and West Coasters of Florida. Also paid decent, and actually did the 1st ranking system for all divisions. I think I only saw 1 or 2 Molson tournaments and the Halls were the only Non-Florida team I remember. So, while this thread is East Coast, my early teams are based on what they did in Florida. The Greatest TEAM in Florida Beach volleyball history is Mike Ryan and Kenny Haan, Period. The dominated the 80s in Florida. Followed closely by Chuck Coulter and Erine Brasch - articles.sun-sentinel.com/1985-07-30/news/8501310550_1_volleyball-lake-aspectI also have to mention Mike Barszcz,in the late 80s, beginning of the 90s he was the best player playing IMO. He was a bit shorter version of John Hyden I'd say. I missed the mid 90s in Florida because I was in the ARMY. When I got out and back to FL, it was 95. You had players like Tony Cothron & Burke Stefko plus Cali/Hi imports Chris Hannemann, Mark Paaluhi and James Fellows(still the nastiest Jump serve I've ever seen) Oh, and some kid from Ft. Lauderdale was winning opens, George Roumain.. Really, after Molson and not until the dig the Beach (old Bud light), Toyota and East End there wasn't a lot of mixing the East Coast and Florida. So, here is my top 10 based on East Coast & AVP performances. 1. Phil 2. Nick 3. Hall Brothers 4. George Roumain 5. Henry russell 6. Mike Ryan & Ken Haan 6. Burke Stefko 7. Grotowski 8. Adam Roberts 9. Mike DiPerro 10. Adrian Just Missed...Chad Turner Missing the Cut were Dana, BJ & Gaston the 3 Van Zwieten Bros. (Ranked Mark, Jim, Steve IMO) Tony Cothron (didn't play enough AVPs in his prime) others Jake Elliott, Ihor, Jim Walls, Matt Henderson, Mike Folestein,Ranse Jones, Ron Jenkins Jay Mears, Mike Morales, John Yancy & Greg White. Women (Florida List, not that qualified): 1. Tyra (1 AVP win) 2. Nancy Cothron (1 P&R win and an AVP 2nd) 3. Brooke Sweat (will jump with an AVP win) 4. Franci Van Zwieten 5. Toni Weston 6. Lynda Street 7. Kim Whitney 8. Tara Kuk 9. Chara Harris 10.Barb Bierman Not sure where Gabrielle Reece falls...whatever. |
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Post by tommygun on Aug 21, 2014 8:15:28 GMT -5
Just my opinion...taking into consideration I have played with and against half of them here is my 16team best east coast ever tournament seeds.......anything past 4th seed is really a crap shoot...some of these players could interchange with each other
1. Nick/Phil
2. Haan/Ryan
3. Russell/Stefko
4. Steve/Adrian
5. Jake/BJ
6. Gaston/Chad Turner
7. Engels/Agnant
8. DiPierro/Mark Van Zwieten
9. Booh/Rondeau
10. Hall/Hall
11. Smith/Petty
12. Roberts/Heath
13. Ihor/Jeff Wentworth
14. Fellows/Deviniere
15. Elvis/Evan
16. Dana/?
Matt Henderson....Wayne Matthews......Ranse Jones.....Dave Dipierro.......Curtis Rollins......Jimmy Overton...Ron Jenkins.....John Yancy could easily be slid into those slots....I based this purely on big tournament wins and AVP finishes...I think this would have been a good tournament to watch....didnt include Wurts cause he grew up playing in Newport (but def top 5 this coast has seen)
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Post by guest2 on Aug 21, 2014 8:32:50 GMT -5
Just my opinion...taking into consideration I have played with and against half of them here is my 16team best east coast ever tournament seeds.......anything past 4th seed is really a crap shoot...some of these players could interchange with each other 1. Nick/Phil 2. Haan/Ryan 3. Russell/Stefko 4. Steve/Adrian 5. Jake/BJ 6. Gaston/Chad Turner 7. Engels/Agnant 8. DiPierro/Mark Van Zwieten 9. Booh/Rondeau 10. Hall/Hall 11. Smith/Petty 12. Roberts/Heath 13. Ihor/Jeff Wentworth 14. Fellows/Deviniere 15. Elvis/Evan 16. Dana/? Matt Henderson....Wayne Matthews......Ranse Jones.....Dave Dipierro.......Curtis Rollins......Jimmy Overton...Ron Jenkins.....John Yancy could easily be slid into those slots....I based this purely on big tournament wins and AVP finishes...I think this would have been a good tournament to watch....didnt include Wurts cause he grew up playing in Newport (but def top 5 this coast has seen) I would add Willie Hughes, Robertson/Bailey, and maybe Emich/Pavels to your honorable mentions (although I cant remember which of Emich/Pavels was which.) The next time I have a couple hours I am going to put together a team list too, which was a fun idea and I really enjoyed reading yours. Ihor who you have on your list is very underrated as well. Really enjoyed watching him play The only quibble I have is with the Halls being so low. Those guys went years without losing and among the teams they were regularly spanking was Manny Agnany who you have at 7, and I like the Dipierros and Van Zwietens, but other than Mike Dipierro, none of them deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the Hall brothers. I think one reason may have been that a lot of the older AVPs that the Hall brothers played dont have full records of finishers, at least not on bvbinfo. Also Gaston, who is a great player, was not on the level of the Halls. The Halls, when they were playing regularly, were incredible players and basically won whatever they wanted to outside the AVP. |
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Post by guest2 on Aug 21, 2014 8:42:19 GMT -5
Ok I couldnt wait after all. My seeds:
1. Nick/Phil
2. Halls
3. Haan/Ryan
4. Steve/Mike Dipierro - I think they had a little bit higher ceiling than Steve/Adrian
5. Russell/Stefko
6. Jake/BJ - BJ played a tournament with Mike Dipierro, it was after BJ was largely retired, but that would have made an awesome team.
7. Cardenas/someone (didnt he play with Manny for a while?)
8. Roberts/Heath - Hate ranking this team so high. Never really liked watching them play.
9.Turner/Macau
10. Engels/Agnant - I feel like there has to be a better teammate for Manny I am forgetting
11. Fellows/Diviniere
12. Brennan/Flynn (regional seed boost)
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 21, 2014 12:29:34 GMT -5
I'd add Tony Cothron and Chuck Coulter to the teams list. They played and won a ton together.
Jimmy Overton/Ron Jenkins were just as dominant as Roberts/Heath. Just didn't play as many AVPs.
I'd like to think Matt Henderson should be up there too, but he plays with anyone not really able to stick him w 1 partner.
In my head, I always thought of Many not really being "east coast" for that long.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 21, 2014 12:57:09 GMT -5
I think of Matt as sort of the prototype top regional player. The best of the East Coast guys on the list, the Halls, Hahn/Ryan, BJ, could have or did play on the AVP and done well in the right circumstances. Matt on the other hand is very skilled but he is not someone who will ever do better than 13ths because of his physical limits.
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Post by Semp12 on Aug 21, 2014 13:36:03 GMT -5
A few notes from me:
Listing 12 teams is a bit more than 10 athletes, and clearly much easier.
Tough to compare the old court guys with the new court guys, but Bates/Burik may have cemented their place in a top 12 partnerships list of the East Coast this year. They won another Pottstown and are making it into AVP Main Draws (although separately now). Even considering the lack of current strength, making the main draws now have to be compared to at minimum, making the 32 team draws in the stronger periods.
Adrian was someone who was definitely more of a fringe player when this post was started. I'd say he is absolutely 10 best East Coast Players now for sure.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 21, 2014 15:09:38 GMT -5
A few notes from me: Listing 12 teams is a bit more than 10 athletes, and clearly much easier. Tough to compare the old court guys with the new court guys, but Bates/Burik may have cemented their place in a top 12 partnerships list of the East Coast this year. They won another Pottstown and are making it into AVP Main Draws (although separately now). Even considering the lack of current strength, making the main draws now have to be compared to at minimum, making the 32 team draws in the stronger periods. Adrian was someone who was definitely more of a fringe player when this post was started. I'd say he is absolutely 10 best East Coast Players now for sure. Bates and Burik absolutely, Dont know how I forgot them. I'd put them roughly even with Fellows/Diviniere, Agnant/Engels or Gaston and Chad |
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Post by tommygun on Aug 21, 2014 16:54:04 GMT -5
I have played against Mark and Hudson and for sure are top East Coast guys I just thought they needed to have a few more finishes on the AVP which I know they will to make the list. Probably easier to just make it a 32 team draw...cause like I said....after the 4th seed there are a bunch of guys who could be listed. I put Gaston high because he ratio of making it out of qualifiers is Super High......and he and Chad were a really really tough team.....
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Post by guest2 on Aug 21, 2014 17:00:06 GMT -5
I have played against Mark and Hudson and for sure are top East Coast guys I just thought they needed to have a few more finishes on the AVP which I know they will to make the list. Probably easier to just make it a 32 team draw...cause like I said....after the 4th seed there are a bunch of guys who could be listed. I put Gaston high because he ratio of making it out of qualifiers is Super High......and he and Chad were a really really tough team..... I played against Gaston a couple times when he was playing with Andre Melo. By the end we were serving Andre pretty much every ball despite the physical difference between those two. A 32 team draw may consume my weekend. It could be 8 team regional brackets. Florida, South except Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Northeast (Jersey on up) |
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