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Post by guest2 on Aug 21, 2014 18:27:25 GMT -5
Mid-Atlantic
1. Hall Brothers
2. Bates/Burik
3. Burke Stefko and someone
4. Hughes brothers
5. Bailey/Robertson (mostly grass but I am counting them anyway)
6. Lucas/Porr (not really sure on the best partners for either)
7. Daufelt/West
8. Keeter/Mordica? Schuler/Ek? Really struggling for an 8th team
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 22, 2014 7:37:16 GMT -5
I have played against Mark and Hudson and for sure are top East Coast guys I just thought they needed to have a few more finishes on the AVP which I know they will to make the list. Probably easier to just make it a 32 team draw...cause like I said....after the 4th seed there are a bunch of guys who could be listed. I put Gaston high because he ratio of making it out of qualifiers is Super High......and he and Chad were a really really tough team..... I played against Gaston a couple times when he was playing with Andre Melo. By the end we were serving Andre pretty much every ball despite the physical difference between those two. A 32 team draw may consume my weekend. It could be 8 team regional brackets. Florida, South except Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Northeast (Jersey on up) I like this G2! |
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Post by guest2 on Aug 22, 2014 13:53:02 GMT -5
Florida (those more knowledgeable may want to jump in on this one)
1. Nick/Phil
2. Hahn/Ryan
3. Wurts/Russell
4. Grotowski/Dipierro
5. Cardenas/Hanneman (I know Chris is technically Californian, but to me he is a Florida guy)
6. Agnant/Engels
7. Heath/Adrian (both guys normal partners are occupado, Roberts in the South not Florida bracket and Steve with Mike Dipierro, so I put them together.)
8. Gaston/Chad
Florida has had some pretty great players and even excluding Phil/Nick, I think could go team for team with the rest of the East Coast combined
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Post by crawdaddy on Aug 22, 2014 19:59:40 GMT -5
Mid-Atlantic 1. Hall Brothers 2. Bates/Burik 3. Burke Stefko and someone 4. Hughes brothers 5. Bailey/Robertson (mostly grass but I am counting them anyway) 6. Lucas/Porr (not really sure on the best partners for either) 7. Daufelt/West 8. Keeter/Mordica? Schuler/Ek? Really struggling for an 8th team Mostly late 80s/early 90s talent on this list. Where is the next generation of Delmarva players? Jerry Porr was a NY/NJ guy, no? Dude had a hammer indoors, but don't remember much of him as a beach player. |
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Post by guest2 on Aug 23, 2014 7:42:38 GMT -5
I thought Jerry was from Pennsylvania, I saw him play beach once or twice but like a lot of the guys from that time I think he played mostly grass. There were some loaded grass tournaments in those days. There are some decent guys from this region coming up now, Eric Lucas, the Russells, Dentler, Bates/Burik etc, but for a long time there was a drought of new guys. The Delaware/Ocean City region especially just disappeared. When the old Molson tour was running there were always a lot of Delaware/OC guys chomping at the bit to get it, but when Toyota was regularly running OC events I cant think of a single Maryland/Delaware beach guy who played and even threatened to take 5th.
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Post by Semp12 on Aug 23, 2014 14:13:04 GMT -5
Northeast (not much love in mentions so far, but don't believe much more has been earned either)
1. BJ/Partner of choice (should be Jake if this was overall, since regionalized within the East Coast, would have to give him Jim Walls)
2. Ihor/Wentworth
3. Elvis/Evan
4. Donahue/Fraser - tough to compare them to the other guys who had primes on the big court, I put them hear solely based on respect of the others who are on the ends of their careers (or done)
Can't keep ranking, but should/could be there:
Salak
Don Sachau - won too many JSVBA tournaments throughout the glory days to not put him on here
Emich/Pavels
Ogin
I thought it'd be easier to pick the teams out.
Northeast may be toughest to choose, as NYC has had some studs stay for short periods of time, even if it was just a summer or what seemed like a summer. Ex. Seidu, Amaury, Jeff Murrell. Technically Ryan Doherty is from NJ and did play 3 or 4 summers of local NJ Beach tourney's before moving to Cali. That portion gets skipped a lot in his story. Burik is a Northeast native as well.
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Post by crawdaddy on Aug 23, 2014 16:22:09 GMT -5
I thought Jerry was from Pennsylvania, I saw him play beach once or twice but like a lot of the guys from that time I think he played mostly grass. There were some loaded grass tournaments in those days. There are some decent guys from this region coming up now, Eric Lucas, the Russells, Dentler, Bates/Burik etc, but for a long time there was a drought of new guys. The Delaware/Ocean City region especially just disappeared. When the old Molson tour was running there were always a lot of Delaware/OC guys chomping at the bit to get it, but when Toyota was regularly running OC events I cant think of a single Maryland/Delaware beach guy who played and even threatened to take 5th. Funny how the "next generation" is literally the next generation as both Lucas' and Russell's fathers were excellent players. |
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Post by guest2 on Aug 23, 2014 16:48:24 GMT -5
Northeast (not much love in mentions so far, but don't believe much more has been earned either) 1. BJ/Partner of choice (should be Jake if this was overall, since regionalized within the East Coast, would have to give him Jim Walls) 2. Ihor/Wentworth 3. Elvis/Evan 4. Donahue/Fraser - tough to compare them to the other guys who had primes on the big court, I put them hear solely based on respect of the others who are on the ends of their careers (or done) Can't keep ranking, but should/could be there: Salak Don Sachau - won too many JSVBA tournaments throughout the glory days to not put him on here Emich/Pavels Ogin I thought it'd be easier to pick the teams out. Northeast may be toughest to choose, as NYC has had some studs stay for short periods of time, even if it was just a summer or what seemed like a summer. Ex. Seidu, Amaury, Jeff Murrell. Technically Ryan Doherty is from NJ and did play 3 or 4 summers of local NJ Beach tourney's before moving to Cali. That portion gets skipped a lot in his story. Burik is a Northeast native as well. I had the same problem trying to do the Northeast. I would say 1. BJ/Elvis (I think they played a year together) 2. AJ Mihalic/Evan (They played an AVP together so I can combine them here) 3. Ihor/Jeff (Ihor may have played with every other player on this list at one point or another) 3. Emich/Pavels 4. Booh/Rondeau (dont know that many of the NE guys, but may be some others that belong on this list) 5. Salak/Seidu 6. Rafael/Omar (I dont think I ever saw Omar play and Rafael was old by the time I saw him, but supposedly they were very very good) 7. Ogin/Strassberger 8. Sachau/Velasco (just put them together) I agree with everyone you mentioned except Jeff Murrell. I remember when he was playing in Jersey and never has there been a bigger disconnect between a player's opinion of themselves and results. It also seems unfair to put Elvis with BJ since I always think of him as teamed with some random giant from the Caribbean who hadnt played much beach. He seemed to be able to pull those guys out of his ass for a while. |
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Post by johnnyj123 on Aug 24, 2014 21:44:08 GMT -5
Wurst is 53 years old, doesn't train any more, and at this very second is better than some of the active players on the list. With the right partner he could make money right now. Yup, you guys are missing quite a few east coast legends! Kenny Haan and Mike Ryan( def). The great Ernie Brasch from Florida. Ric Lucas..hey don't forget those Hughes bros.! They had some great finishes on the Molson tour and AVP tour in the 1980's finishing 7th place in avp Chicago defeating the great dan Vrebolovich and Tim Walmer. 4 other 9th place avp finishes, Winning several Neptune festivals and ranked #34th in 1987 rankings after the world Championships. ahead of guys like Steve Timmons,Dusty Dvorak and other west coast legends. Ed Winchester who was head referee at most avp tourny's and Steve Vrebolovich will consider Those Hughes boys the tops..because they defeated more west coast teams. But for the record.. The Hall Bros. vs. the Hughes bros. were some epic battles, and they should def. be on that top 10 list. let's not forget The great Manny Agnant, Greg Hatch, and a few other florida legends! The great Rick Wood from Bethany Beach, DE was a local legend and often played with both Richmond and Frank Hall. then there are the legendary transplants. Chris Warshaw who lived on the east coast for some years and who continues to play in CA now. And the great Tim Spees who won west coast tournaments with guys like Dane Selnick. He has spent the last 25 years in the Virginia area, but also played in east coast tournaments. I'm sure I am missing some more, but thanks for the east Coast beach vb thread. Go to east coast legends on FACEBOOK and OLD SCHOOL VOLLEYBALL on Facebook. Excellent conversations with guys like Sinjin, Stokie, Pat Powers and others chiming in:) Thanks guys. |
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Post by vb1987 on Aug 25, 2014 14:57:26 GMT -5
I would love to chime in more on some of the old(er) school guys, but my knowledge just isn't there. I do have some insight that might be fun or useful though. As some of you know, a lot of these older guys still play occasionally. Recently Burik trained on the East Coast and needed a partner in practice because Hudson wasn't around, Ric Lucas came out and played with Mark for a few hours. Ric is over 50 now and after practice Burik said "He's the quickest defender I have ever played with" he went on to rave about how good his defense still is and that he could defend at the highest level still. Remember that this is Ric at 50 something after only touching a ball once or twice a year... Just thought this was a cool story.
Occasionally some of us East Coasters can still drag BJ Saldano out to mess around at practice and while he isn't as physically dominant as he once was, he can still play at a really high level as well. I am sure that if his back was better he would still be able to tear up the east coast (I guess this isn't speculative since he came out cold and pulled a 3rd at big shots 2 years ago).
My last thought is that a lot of people on this thread are ranking Adrian too low. He pulled a 2nd at a pretty solid Cuervo, a 3rd at Hermosa AVP, and a bunch of 5ths, some of you guys are listing him below people that there is no way he should be down there. I know some of the older players have a nostalgic value to a lot of us, but Adrian is doing pretty big things now.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 25, 2014 16:08:07 GMT -5
I definitely see what you are saying. I think one reason Adrian's success gets discounted a little is how shallow the Tour is nowadays. I agree he should probably be ranked higher (and concede I am one who probably ranked him too low. Ric was indeed one hell of a player. One thing I used to love is watching teams serve 6'6 Stew Russell, father of the Penn State All American, float serves in grass tournaments to avoid serving Ric who cant have been much bigger than 5'8.
Agree wholeheartedly on BJ. That guy was so good and so smooth. Of all the little East Coast guys that never got the chance to play with a big time partner (the Halls for example) I think BJ had the best shot to really do something. Even a few tournaments with someone like Brent Doble or Aaron Boss could have elevated him into the upper echelon of the tour
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Post by guesteastcoast on Aug 26, 2014 8:05:12 GMT -5
Northeast (not much love in mentions so far, but don't believe much more has been earned either) 1. BJ/Partner of choice (should be Jake if this was overall, since regionalized within the East Coast, would have to give him Jim Walls) 2. Ihor/Wentworth 3. Elvis/Evan 4. Donahue/Fraser - tough to compare them to the other guys who had primes on the big court, I put them hear solely based on respect of the others who are on the ends of their careers (or done) Can't keep ranking, but should/could be there: Salak Don Sachau - won too many JSVBA tournaments throughout the glory days to not put him on here Emich/Pavels Ogin I thought it'd be easier to pick the teams out. Northeast may be toughest to choose, as NYC has had some studs stay for short periods of time, even if it was just a summer or what seemed like a summer. Ex. Seidu, Amaury, Jeff Murrell. Technically Ryan Doherty is from NJ and did play 3 or 4 summers of local NJ Beach tourney's before moving to Cali. That portion gets skipped a lot in his story. Burik is a Northeast native as well. |
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Post by guesteastcoast on Aug 26, 2014 8:08:30 GMT -5
Northeast (not much love in mentions so far, but don't believe much more has been earned either) 1. BJ/Partner of choice (should be Jake if this was overall, since regionalized within the East Coast, would have to give him Jim Walls) 2. Ihor/Wentworth 3. Elvis/Evan 4. Donahue/Fraser - tough to compare them to the other guys who had primes on the big court, I put them hear solely based on respect of the others who are on the ends of their careers (or done) Can't keep ranking, but should/could be there: Salak Don Sachau - won too many JSVBA tournaments throughout the glory days to not put him on here Emich/Pavels Ogin I thought it'd be easier to pick the teams out. Northeast may be toughest to choose, as NYC has had some studs stay for short periods of time, even if it was just a summer or what seemed like a summer. Ex. Seidu, Amaury, Jeff Murrell. Technically Ryan Doherty is from NJ and did play 3 or 4 summers of local NJ Beach tourney's before moving to Cali. That portion gets skipped a lot in his story. Burik is a Northeast native as well. If these guys are on the list, you can't exclude Scott Davenport. He has better AVP finishes than all of them including BJ and Jake. |
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Post by Semp12 on Aug 27, 2014 9:30:18 GMT -5
Northeast (not much love in mentions so far, but don't believe much more has been earned either) 1. BJ/Partner of choice (should be Jake if this was overall, since regionalized within the East Coast, would have to give him Jim Walls) 2. Ihor/Wentworth 3. Elvis/Evan 4. Donahue/Fraser - tough to compare them to the other guys who had primes on the big court, I put them hear solely based on respect of the others who are on the ends of their careers (or done) Can't keep ranking, but should/could be there: Salak Don Sachau - won too many JSVBA tournaments throughout the glory days to not put him on here Emich/Pavels Ogin I thought it'd be easier to pick the teams out. Northeast may be toughest to choose, as NYC has had some studs stay for short periods of time, even if it was just a summer or what seemed like a summer. Ex. Seidu, Amaury, Jeff Murrell. Technically Ryan Doherty is from NJ and did play 3 or 4 summers of local NJ Beach tourney's before moving to Cali. That portion gets skipped a lot in his story. Burik is a Northeast native as well. I had the same problem trying to do the Northeast. I would say 1. BJ/Elvis (I think they played a year together) 2. AJ Mihalic/Evan (They played an AVP together so I can combine them here) 3. Ihor/Jeff (Ihor may have played with every other player on this list at one point or another) 3. Emich/Pavels 4. Booh/Rondeau (dont know that many of the NE guys, but may be some others that belong on this list) 5. Salak/Seidu 6. Rafael/Omar (I dont think I ever saw Omar play and Rafael was old by the time I saw him, but supposedly they were very very good) 7. Ogin/Strassberger 8. Sachau/Velasco (just put them together) I agree with everyone you mentioned except Jeff Murrell. I remember when he was playing in Jersey and never has there been a bigger disconnect between a player's opinion of themselves and results. It also seems unfair to put Elvis with BJ since I always think of him as teamed with some random giant from the Caribbean who hadnt played much beach. He seemed to be able to pull those guys out of his ass for a while. I think I may actually have meant Eyal, not Murrell, although can't recall how short his stay was in the area. I was still pretty much a kid, so easy to remember who was around, but not easy to remember how long since I wasn't the one playing them in the playoffs every week. I did play Pavels in co-ed when he had been out of the game for years and years. He still had some shots on the small court. I only remember Emich from dominating indoors A tourneys. The Ogin/Strassberger team was the potential team. There are probably a few current athletes better than their best, Zaun being the newest of the group. Tough not to mention Jersey Jim either, if you do mention some of the others. I think Adrian gets discounted so much because he is not your stereotypical looking player. Even when he finishes 5th and beats teams seeded lower, I am sure the general public still sees it as he upset someone to get there. He may never get the respect he truly deserves since people aren't sure how he can side out as much as he does. BJ unfortunately (for us fans, not his bank account) went to the real world when still in his prime. Rumor has it, some pretty established AVP guys came calling when he did hang it up and go to wallstreet. |
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Post by knarfhall on Oct 2, 2014 21:40:19 GMT -5
Manny Agnant. Not on the list? One of the best. Top player for many years.. Never played consistently with a good partner. So talented Frank Hall
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