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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 21, 2014 9:42:07 GMT -5
Not that it matters a whole lot, but I KNOW who the players at Ohio want to be their next coach. It's Meghan's job if she stays. I know I know... Players opinions are not usually top of the list, but in this case I would say they are close. She left |
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 21, 2014 9:42:18 GMT -5
Not that it matters a whole lot, but I KNOW who the players at Ohio want to be their next coach. It's Meghan's job if she stays. I know I know... Players opinions are not usually top of the list, but in this case I would say they are close. She left |
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Post by vbnerd on Feb 21, 2014 11:08:21 GMT -5
I'm surprised this thread has been so quiet... Has Ohio had any candidates on campus? I would think they would want to move quickly with the heart of recruiting season to begin here shortly with qualifiers and such. Candidates on campus? The vacancy went public 7 days ago, and there was a 3 day weekend, which isn't a big deal for athletics but typically HR has to be involved. Plus, Ohio is a public university so there is probably some minimum posting requirement. |
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Post by rsell01 on Feb 21, 2014 11:21:00 GMT -5
Theis didn't live up to his last predecessor...why would he be able to buck that trend? Not arguing with you but but this is from the Marquette press release. Theis, a native of Madison, Wis., leaves Ohio tied with current Ohio State head coach Geoff Carlston, whom he replaced in 2008, for the most victories in Bobcats' history with 144. Theis did try Geoff with win totals of 144 but Geoff had 144 over 5 seasons and Theis has the same over 6 seasons. Geoff 144-22 5 seasons Theis 144-54 6 seasons Their records say Geoff has more success but I'm def not saying that Theis didn't have success. They both seem like very good coaches just from a record stand point. grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/w-volley/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/2013RecordBook.pdfAgain this is outside looking in with very little details other than win-loss records. |
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Post by 2manytourneys on Feb 21, 2014 13:40:24 GMT -5
Not that it matters a whole lot, but I KNOW who the players at Ohio want to be their next coach. It's Meghan's job if she stays. I know I know... Players opinions are not usually top of the list, but in this case I would say they are close. She left Yes. This quote was before she left. My mention of being close was that of the players and administrations wishes. Not that it was close to happening. |
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 21, 2014 14:19:57 GMT -5
Yes. This quote was before she left. My mention of being close was that of the players and administrations wishes. Not that it was close to happening. I think if the administration wanted her to be head coach she would be. Not saying she wasn't liked by admin, but she wasn't their choice to be head coach. |
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Post by 2manytourneys on Feb 21, 2014 14:58:16 GMT -5
Yes. This quote was before she left. My mention of being close was that of the players and administrations wishes. Not that it was close to happening. I think if the administration wanted her to be head coach she would be. Not saying she wasn't liked by admin, but she wasn't their choice to be head coach. To almost quote a famous actor "That's NOT what she said." But really, it couldn't matter less. Who cares? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 16:03:04 GMT -5
Geoff also had Ellen Herman. That helps.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 21, 2014 20:25:29 GMT -5
Geoff also had Ellen Herman. That helps. Just a little! |
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Post by drsuess on Feb 26, 2014 10:44:58 GMT -5
Geoff also had Ellen Herman. That helps. This is a ridiculous defense of Theis as a comparable coach to Geoff. Geoff GOT Herman to come to Ohio and only coached her as a freshman and sophomore. Geoff started the Ohio program from NOTHING. Geoff had 144 wins in just 5 seasons, including DOMINATING the MAC. Theis INHERITED Ellen Herman for her junior and senior year, and then made the program slightly above average. Theis couldn't win the MAC regular season title WITH Herman, her junior or senior year. It was Herman who found a way to win the MAC tournament title each year to overcome Theis' inability to coach. Ohio used to OWN the MAC during Geoff's time, but Theis found a way to bring them back to the pack in an average league. 144 wins in 6 years after inheriting a Three-Peat championship program is not exactly a testament to brilliance. Theis will do much better by NOT comparing himself to Geoff, or for that matter, Bond when he gets to Marquette. The real question is: Will Theis ever have to EARN anything he does as a head coach? |
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Post by Xplaya on Feb 26, 2014 11:15:39 GMT -5
Geoff also had Ellen Herman. That helps. This is a ridiculous defense of Theis as a comparable coach to Geoff. Geoff GOT Herman to come to Ohio and only coached her as a freshman and sophomore. Geoff started the Ohio program from NOTHING. Geoff had 144 wins in just 5 seasons, including DOMINATING the MAC. Theis INHERITED Ellen Herman for her junior and senior year, and then made the program slightly above average. Theis couldn't win the MAC regular season title WITH Herman, her junior or senior year. It was Herman who found a way to win the MAC tournament title each year to overcome Theis' inability to coach. Ohio used to OWN the MAC during Geoff's time, but Theis found a way to bring them back to the pack in an average league. 144 wins in 6 years after inheriting a Three-Peat championship program is not exactly a testament to brilliance. Theis will do much better by NOT comparing himself to Geoff, or for that matter, Bond when he gets to Marquette. The real question is: Will Theis ever have to EARN anything he does as a head coach? Wow...who pissed in your cornflakes? Theis isn't comparing himself to anyone, that's volleytalkers. |
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Post by pancake83 on Feb 26, 2014 11:19:21 GMT -5
This is a ridiculous defense of Theis as a comparable coach to Geoff. Geoff GOT Herman to come to Ohio and only coached her as a freshman and sophomore. Geoff started the Ohio program from NOTHING. Geoff had 144 wins in just 5 seasons, including DOMINATING the MAC. Theis INHERITED Ellen Herman for her junior and senior year, and then made the program slightly above average. Theis couldn't win the MAC regular season title WITH Herman, her junior or senior year. It was Herman who found a way to win the MAC tournament title each year to overcome Theis' inability to coach. Ohio used to OWN the MAC during Geoff's time, but Theis found a way to bring them back to the pack in an average league. 144 wins in 6 years after inheriting a Three-Peat championship program is not exactly a testament to brilliance. Theis will do much better by NOT comparing himself to Geoff, or for that matter, Bond when he gets to Marquette. The real question is: Will Theis ever have to EARN anything he does as a head coach? Wow...who pissed in your cornflakes? Theis isn't comparing himself to anyone, that's volleytalkers. Agreed, who pissed you off - Theis for not recruiting your daughter or do you just hate on anyone out there... Hate Hate Hate.... |
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Post by bluecollar on Feb 26, 2014 12:10:51 GMT -5
Geoff also had Ellen Herman. That helps. This is a ridiculous defense of Theis as a comparable coach to Geoff. Geoff GOT Herman to come to Ohio and only coached her as a freshman and sophomore. Geoff started the Ohio program from NOTHING. Geoff had 144 wins in just 5 seasons, including DOMINATING the MAC. Theis INHERITED Ellen Herman for her junior and senior year, and then made the program slightly above average. Theis couldn't win the MAC regular season title WITH Herman, her junior or senior year. It was Herman who found a way to win the MAC tournament title each year to overcome Theis' inability to coach. Ohio used to OWN the MAC during Geoff's time, but Theis found a way to bring them back to the pack in an average league. 144 wins in 6 years after inheriting a Three-Peat championship program is not exactly a testament to brilliance. Theis will do much better by NOT comparing himself to Geoff, or for that matter, Bond when he gets to Marquette. The real question is: Will Theis ever have to EARN anything he does as a head coach? If you are going to rant and make claims about coaches, please be a little bit unbiased. Geoff did a great job at OU but he most definitely did not start the program with nothing. Geoff inherited a solid young team on the rise that was coming off a 25-9 season (14-4 in the MAC) and a trip to the semi-finals of the MAC Tournament. He inherited 2002 MAC Player of the Year Laura Hageman. She repeated that feat under Geoff his first year in 2003. He also inherited Briana Adamousky (2004 MAC Player of the Year) and Julie Winkfield (2005 MAC Player of the Year) who were both recruited to Ohio by Mike Lesinger. Mike had the program on the rise. Geoff definitely took it to another level but please don't say he started with nothing. Geoff's record stands on it's own without you trying to make it sound better just to put down Ryan. |
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Post by vbnerd on Feb 26, 2014 12:16:34 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd go as far as "Thies inability to coach" because I don't think Ryan did a bad job at all, but other than that I think Dr. Seuess laid it out pretty well. I think its pretty funny that people are trying to compare Ryan to Geoff. Well, one or two posts was funny, but at this point its a little concerning.
Geoff's performance building the program was more impressive to me. I don't really see how Ryan's accomplishments at Ohio could be considered the equal of Geoff's, even without considering what they each walked into. And again, that isn't to disparage Ryan. Geoff was doing a better coaching job with what he had than 99% of the coaches in the country at that time. The 3 middle was creative, their ball control was exceptional and they recruited for needs as well as anybody, without the budget or brand name of several programs that they beat for players. There is a reason he got one of the best jobs in college volleyball and while he may not have found his stride with the buckeyes, we shouldn't let that downgrade his performance as the coach at Ohio. He was exceptional and that seems to be lost here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 12:25:40 GMT -5
I'm not comparing anyone. Just stating a fact.
Here's another one: Geoff built Concordia STP from "nothing." I have nothing but admiration for Geoff and his coaching abilities.
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