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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 13, 2020 14:02:53 GMT -5
Relative to expectations for a premier program. If you’re at Nebraska volleyball it’s fair to ask “Are you making an impact at your position the way Huskers traditional have?” To compare individual players isn’t particularly fair, but ultimately you’re looking to win a national championship. And to win a national championship it is fair to expect players to be great/outstanding/exceptional/etc. Those are reasonable standards for fans to judge against. Cook is riding with Hames. He’s a great coach with a great staff. Between Hames & coaching co. they’ll make it work, even when it’s bad. For reference to whoever above, rewatch Nebraska vs Purdue/Iowa and you can hear Cook and staff barking at Hames. Most cringe against Purdue when Sun lost her shoe and instead of setting Callie S., Hames made the inexplicably poor decision to throw the ball over the net... TWICE. Ok but then sun is sub par, sweet is average to bad, Callie is awful, Stivrins pretty decent, knuckles atrocious, at least half of the current PSU players are also pretty lousy. You’re comparing Hames to legends in a top 3 program. Cook and staff barking at a player would hardly also be a measuring stick. Olympians have been barked at by Cook and staff. Again, I don’t think Hames is exceptional at the highest level, “not very good, is again, ridiculous. I mean I didn’t call Hames atrocious like you just did Knuckles, so you’re definitely harsher than I would’ve been but overall... yeah I’d agree with those assessments on scale (Sun/Sweet decent, Callie average to meh, Stivrins is great idk what you’re smoking, Knuckles not good, current PSU roster being up to par - yes).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 14:04:44 GMT -5
Oh, I believe you. I haven't pulled up the point (although I might now on VM just because I'm curious). I guess that proves my point though; you're not even sure who received serve, let alone how good the pass was. And again, I'm not saying you should remember. We inevitably remember the outcome more clearly than the lead up to it. But that's why it's important to use the data to inform our perception. Otherwise we end up ignoring a crucial component. How does how good the pass was relate, at all, to a specific setting decision in transition in a rally? Not in the slightest. I was making the point that our memories are designed to remember the swings more clearly than the passas. In this occasion the poster could remember two failed dumps, but not which team had served the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 14:06:12 GMT -5
I haven't ever stated that Hames was great last year. Nor do I believe she's immune from criticism (everyone makes mistakes) and she can certainly improve. But she isn't ignoring the scouting reports. On a perfect pass she is running plays that have been discussed. If they're OOS as much as they were in 2019, passing is the biggest issue (in my opinion). I believe that most Nebraska fans, like most volleyball fans, remember the end of a play better than the start of it. Their mind then weighs the outcome as being representative of the whole. Hawk Attack might be able to give an example... He recalled a play earlier in against Purdue when Sun lost her shoe. Can he, without looking at the play again, describe the first contact after the serve? And I'm not picking on him. I like his posting. But this phenomenon isn't limited to fans. We all suffer from it. Which is why we use analytics. And, again, I haven't seen a single data point to suggest that Hames, and not the passing, was the source of the issues. There is no data point that will provide context for the shoe incident. You have to watch the play. I think that is the issue that some are taking with you. For me, data and analytics are one component--perhaps the starting point, but definitely not the end-point--that includes training, scouting, tactics, systems, etc. I just spent 5 minutes going through it. I'd posted thoughts on it before you told me I had to watch it... What's your point?
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 13, 2020 14:10:18 GMT -5
How does how good the pass was relate, at all, to a specific setting decision in transition in a rally? Not in the slightest. I was making the point that our memories are designed to remember the swings more clearly than the passas. In this occasion the poster could remember two failed dumps, but not which team had served the ball. It isn’t consequential to remember every data point. And even so there’d be disagreements on right/wrong decision-making. You don’t think Hames should’ve set Callie when she didn’t transition, I think she should’ve given the ball up to her to make a 1-on-1 tip play against Purdue’s middle instead of throwing it over the net. At least that had a possibility of scoring.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 13, 2020 14:12:38 GMT -5
Not in the slightest. I was making the point that our memories are designed to remember the swings more clearly than the passas. In this occasion the poster could remember two failed dumps, but not which team had served the ball. It isn’t consequential to remember every data point. And even so there’d be disagreements on right/wrong decision-making. You don’t think Hames should’ve set Callie when she didn’t transition, I think she should’ve given the ball up to her to make a 1-on-1 tip play against Purdue’s middle instead of throwing it over the net. At least that had a possibility of scoring. Well, I guess my point is that your thoughts weren't so relevant.
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 13, 2020 14:15:08 GMT -5
Not in the slightest. I was making the point that our memories are designed to remember the swings more clearly than the passas. In this occasion the poster could remember two failed dumps, but not which team had served the ball. It isn’t consequential to remember every data point. And even so there’d be disagreements on right/wrong decision-making. You don’t think Hames should’ve set Callie when she didn’t transition, I think she should’ve given the ball up to her to make a 1-on-1 tip play against Purdue’s middle instead of throwing it over the net. At least that had a possibility of scoring. its interesting....I thought the same thing you did so I watched back the games. The middles didn't get alot of sets due to obvious reasons. Hames probably tried to push them a little too hard but our offense badly needed the defense to be honest despite the bad passing. Passes in the sweet spot where a setter can run the show easily were almost non existent. Even passes within five feet of the sweet spot were rare. Hames just didn't have alot of opportunity.The fact that Cook is going after DS's says it all.
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 13, 2020 14:15:24 GMT -5
Someone who hasn’t been on volleytalk in 2 days is gonna get on and see the thread page count and think Sam Francis has committed to Nebraska
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 13, 2020 14:16:19 GMT -5
It isn’t consequential to remember every data point. And even so there’d be disagreements on right/wrong decision-making. You don’t think Hames should’ve set Callie when she didn’t transition, I think she should’ve given the ball up to her to make a 1-on-1 tip play against Purdue’s middle instead of throwing it over the net. At least that had a possibility of scoring. Well, I guess my point is that your thoughts weren't so relevant. Technically that was my point. I don’t think people who are criticizing Hames are missing any crucial component... except possibly that she is unequivocally the Huskers choice for setter Don’t you take credit for my work.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 13, 2020 14:18:12 GMT -5
Well, I guess my point is that your thoughts weren't so relevant. Technically that was my point. I don’t think people who are criticizing Hames are missing any crucial component... except possibly that she is unequivocally the Huskers choice for setter Don’t you take credit for my work. Yeah, but the talking monkey asked me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 14:34:34 GMT -5
Not in the slightest. I was making the point that our memories are designed to remember the swings more clearly than the passas. In this occasion the poster could remember two failed dumps, but not which team had served the ball. It isn’t consequential to remember every data point. And even so there’d be disagreements on right/wrong decision-making. You don’t think Hames should’ve set Callie when she didn’t transition, I think she should’ve given the ball up to her to make a 1-on-1 tip play against Purdue’s middle instead of throwing it over the net. At least that had a possibility of scoring. Wrong dump. The first dump she could've set Schwarzenbach, although I'd argue that the back row was a better option since Sun was no threat. That said, you're right, the dump was the wrong option. But you said there were two dumps where she ignored the middle. Watch the play. The second dump Schwazenbach isn't even an option. She's stood on the net facing Hames. There's no way she could get set from that position. And again, it's not EVERY data point. You couldn't remember the serving team on a play you specifically chose. There is no better example than that on how inconsistent our memories are. Passing gets marginalized in the memory of most observers. That's why I post more about it than any other single topic.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 13, 2020 14:53:10 GMT -5
Ok but then sun is sub par, sweet is average to bad, Callie is awful, Stivrins pretty decent, knuckles atrocious, at least half of the current PSU players are also pretty lousy. You’re comparing Hames to legends in a top 3 program. Cook and staff barking at a player would hardly also be a measuring stick. Olympians have been barked at by Cook and staff. Again, I don’t think Hames is exceptional at the highest level, “not very good, is again, ridiculous. I mean I didn’t call Hames atrocious like you just did Knuckles, so you’re definitely harsher than I would’ve been but overall... yeah I’d agree with those assessments on scale (Sun/Sweet decent, Callie average to meh, Stivrins is great idk what you’re smoking, Knuckles not good, current PSU roster being up to par - yes). I’d ask you to point out where I called Hames atrocious. I’ll save you time, I didn’t so I’m not sure what you’re smoking. Based on your measuring stick of how players measure up to the highest level Huskers, Knuckles would be atrocious compared to Wong Orantes and Banwarth. Stivrins compared to Holmquist, Thater, Elmer.... Stivrins would in fact be just pretty good. I don’t think we see these players very differently, Stivrins is great, Sun really good, Knuckles pretty solid as a frosh........I’m challenging how you are evaluating them, which is again up against legends. The PSU roster up against Harmotto, Glass, Hodge, Fawcett, Brown........?
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Post by FreeBall on Apr 13, 2020 15:44:55 GMT -5
Kaylei has always had good ball control. Densberger, not so much. In 2018, last time she handled a lot of SR, she passed poorly (46.8% GP). Knuckles was at 48% GP this year but I think she'll improve. They really need better communication though. With Kubik, Knuckles and Akana they have three young passers and one that will have no collegiate experience. Good communication will be essential. Agreed. Although I can't help but remember some of Densbergers block coverage and saves. She is a good floor defender. With the right focus, consistency, and mindset, I think she could be viable, even if it's her senior season and we have two passing OH's. Knuckles, Kubik and Sun are locks to be in the serve receive pattern all (or most) of the time. Realistically the only ways Densberger gets a shot are if she beats out Akana for the primary DS spot, or improves enough to be a better back row option than Sun. Personally I don't see either of those things happening, and expect her role to continue as a serving sub for one of the MB's.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 16:07:41 GMT -5
Agreed. Although I can't help but remember some of Densbergers block coverage and saves. She is a good floor defender. With the right focus, consistency, and mindset, I think she could be viable, even if it's her senior season and we have two passing OH's. Knuckles, Kubik and Sun are locks to be in the serve receive pattern all (or most) of the time. Realistically the only ways Densberger gets a shot is if she beats out Akana for the primary DS spot, or improves enough to be a better back row option than Sun. Personally I don't see either of those things happening, and expect her role to continue as a serving sub for one of the MB's. Agree on all counts. Kaylei will have to battle Densberger for sure, but they've invested a scholarship because they're hoping she wins the DS role. I think Nebraska is a great spot for her. She impressed me at USAHP last year and I think she'll get the DS job. Sun had a really poor year passing. She dropped from 50% good pass percentage in 2018 to just 38% in 2019. She got used to passing next to the likes of JWO, Foecke and Maloney. A second year with this unit will definitely help but as a senior she needs to be more consistent for the younger players.
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Post by donut on Apr 13, 2020 16:18:55 GMT -5
Knuckles, Kubik and Sun are locks to be in the serve receive pattern all (or most) of the time. Realistically the only ways Densberger gets a shot is if she beats out Akana for the primary DS spot, or improves enough to be a better back row option than Sun. Personally I don't see either of those things happening, and expect her role to continue as a serving sub for one of the MB's. Sun had a really poor year passing. She dropped from 50% good pass percentage in 2018 to just 38% in 2019. She got used to passing next to the likes of JWO, Foecke and Maloney. A second year with this unit will definitely help but as a senior she needs to be more consistent for the younger players. Sun never played next to JWO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 16:25:08 GMT -5
Sun had a really poor year passing. She dropped from 50% good pass percentage in 2018 to just 38% in 2019. She got used to passing next to the likes of JWO, Foecke and Maloney. A second year with this unit will definitely help but as a senior she needs to be more consistent for the younger players. Sun never played next to JWO. True. Swap JWO for McCoy and Rounsaville who were ~60% gp% in 2017. Same point though.
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