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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 15:29:24 GMT -5
Fact remains that Cook pushes players to be all-around gamers and emphasizes solid back-row play, indicative in Team USA's current starting passers. I've always known Nebraska (from watching their matches and reading interviews) for their ball control on serve/receive.
The connection I make to future OHs for Team USA is the likeness they won't come from college teams where they only played three rotations (Webster). I acquiesced that both Robo and Larson were anomalies coming into college, but Robo really flourished under Cook and so has the long list of OHs that developed into solid back-row players. Houghtelling, Mueller and Werth are the examples I gave.
I wish the NCAA, for the sake of developing players for the NT, would drop the number of substitutions allowed per set.
And to put this into perspective for you, I'm arguing that Nebraska is traditionally the team to watch for developing stellar back-row players. Other coaches and programs (including the one you support) would rather sub these players out for a defensive specialist.
The last 4 years you had been arguing about and promoting Miyashiro's future on the NT, and look where that turned out. LOL
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Post by akbar on Aug 10, 2014 15:29:25 GMT -5
Any player's major success should be first and foremost credited to their parent's genes and the player themselves.
Everything else is a distant factor.
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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 15:30:35 GMT -5
I think Larson is an interesting case. Firstly, she was already a great all around OH as the #2 rated recruit. She would have flourished at all reputable schools. She was a homegrown Nebraskan and decided to stay close to home (like many players do), I don't think anything more needs to be made of it. Cook progressed her skills like any good coach should be able to do, but IMO it wasn't some extraordinary leap. Like I said, I think she took the biggest leap in her game once she left Nebraska. Oh I agree. It's not like he developed some underrated talent at like number 48 and made her into an all American and amazing player. He got an amazing player and maintained that. He's one of the best coaches In the NCAA by far (even though I disagree with his demeanor ALOT.) what I meant was Larson spent all years at Nebraska so I consider her development from cook. And I agree. If I recall, no one predicted Larson would be one of the best 3 OH, in the world when she left Nebraska and she did. She definitely blossomed our of college Ever watch volleyball in the mid-2000s? Ever hear about Houghtelling? lol
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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 15:33:54 GMT -5
I think Larson is an interesting case. Firstly, she was already a great all around OH as the #2 rated recruit. She would have flourished at all reputable schools. She was a homegrown Nebraskan and decided to stay close to home (like many players do), I don't think anything more needs to be made of it. Cook progressed her skills like any good coach should be able to do, but IMO it wasn't some extraordinary leap. Like I said, I think she took the biggest leap in her game once she left Nebraska. Oh I agree. It's not like he developed some underrated talent at like number 48 and made her into an all American and amazing player. He got an amazing player and maintained that. He's one of the best coaches In the NCAA by far (even though I disagree with his demeanor ALOT.) what I meant was Larson spent all years at Nebraska so I consider her development from cook. And I agree. If I recall, no one predicted Larson would be one of the best 3 OH, in the world when she left Nebraska and she did. She definitely blossomed our of college Banwarth? The first time she wore an opposite colored jersey was at Nebraska. She played setter prior to committing to Nebraska. Now she's one of the top liberos in the world and definitely the most unsung player (overshadowed by current nobodies like Mass, Ailes, Hagglund, and Miyashiro) when she was in college.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 10, 2014 15:34:36 GMT -5
Oh I agree. It's not like he developed some underrated talent at like number 48 and made her into an all American and amazing player. He got an amazing player and maintained that. He's one of the best coaches In the NCAA by far (even though I disagree with his demeanor ALOT.) what I meant was Larson spent all years at Nebraska so I consider her development from cook. And I agree. If I recall, no one predicted Larson would be one of the best 3 OH, in the world when she left Nebraska and she did. She definitely blossomed our of college Ever watch volleyball in the mid-2000s? Ever hear about Houghtelling? lol Yes I've seen her play, my apologies if she was a low rated recruit. Didn't follow prep volleyball at the time.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 10, 2014 15:36:40 GMT -5
Oh I agree. It's not like he developed some underrated talent at like number 48 and made her into an all American and amazing player. He got an amazing player and maintained that. He's one of the best coaches In the NCAA by far (even though I disagree with his demeanor ALOT.) what I meant was Larson spent all years at Nebraska so I consider her development from cook. And I agree. If I recall, no one predicted Larson would be one of the best 3 OH, in the world when she left Nebraska and she did. She definitely blossomed our of college Banwarth? The first time she wore an opposite colored jersey was at Nebraska. She played setter prior to committing to Nebraska. Now she's one of the top liberos in the world and definitely the most unsung player (overshadowed by current nobodies like Mass, Ailes, Hagglund, and Miyashiro) when she was in college. We were talking about Larson and Robinson. I never claimed cook can't claim any of these players as his development. He definitely can. But IMO, Robinson isn't the great player she is solely cause of cook. So when people say (Kelsey was a husker and that's why she's on the nt, cook made her) or stuff like that, it just makes me question it.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 10, 2014 15:38:26 GMT -5
Fact remains that Cook pushes players to be all-around gamers and emphasizes solid back-row play, indicative in Team USA's current starting passers. I've always known Nebraska (from watching their matches and reading interviews) for their ball control on serve/receive. The connection I make to future OHs for Team USA is the likeness they won't come from college teams where they only played three rotations (Webster). I acquiesced that both Robo and Larson were anomalies coming into college, but Robo really flourished under Cook and so has the long list of OHs that developed into solid back-row players. Houghtelling, Mueller and Werth are the examples I gave. I wish the NCAA, for the sake of developing players for the NT, would drop the number of substitutions allowed per set. And to put this into perspective for you, I'm arguing that Nebraska is traditionally the team to watch for developing stellar back-row players. Other coaches and programs (including the one you support) would rather sub these players out for a defensive specialist. The last 4 years you had been arguing about and promoting Miyashiro's future on the NT, and look where that turned out. LOL Dave shoji and the wahine are known for their floor defense and six rotation OH. So I doubt he would "sub them out" like you claim
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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 15:40:47 GMT -5
Fact remains that Cook pushes players to be all-around gamers and emphasizes solid back-row play, indicative in Team USA's current starting passers. I've always known Nebraska (from watching their matches and reading interviews) for their ball control on serve/receive. The connection I make to future OHs for Team USA is the likeness they won't come from college teams where they only played three rotations (Webster). I acquiesced that both Robo and Larson were anomalies coming into college, but Robo really flourished under Cook and so has the long list of OHs that developed into solid back-row players. Houghtelling, Mueller and Werth are the examples I gave. I wish the NCAA, for the sake of developing players for the NT, would drop the number of substitutions allowed per set. And to put this into perspective for you, I'm arguing that Nebraska is traditionally the team to watch for developing stellar back-row players. Other coaches and programs (including the one you support) would rather sub these players out for a defensive specialist. The last 4 years you had been arguing about and promoting Miyashiro's future on the NT, and look where that turned out. LOL Dave shoji and the wahine are known for their floor defense and six rotation OH. So I doubt he would "sub them out" like you claim I was talking to ay.
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Post by redincolorado on Aug 10, 2014 15:43:55 GMT -5
Huskers are quick to click after summer tour overseas LINCOLN — In the infancy of the volleyball season, most teams go into the first day of practice learning to crawl. But Nebraska thinks its summer of activities has the team firmly on its feet. The Huskers opened practice Saturday with two workouts at the Devaney Center. But the players joined coach John Cook in expressing that their three weeks of exhibition matches in Japan and China in June put the Huskers a few steps ahead of the game during the first training session. "We got back into the groove pretty quick,” sophomore opposite hitter Amber Rolfzen said. Said Cook, recalling last season’s first practice which featured 10 newcomers: “Last year we were just trying to get to know each other. We were humming this morning. “Day 1 today was Day 10 last year. I think it took us about 10 days to get to this point.” Much of the credit, the team thinks, goes to the 19 days overseas, training with and playing against professional clubs. Without the technological distractions of cellphones and with language barriers, the team learned to take comfort in and depend on each other, senior setter Mary Pollmiller said. Read more @: www.omaha.com/huskers/huskers-are-quick-to-click-after-summer-tour-overseas/article_a73dcf50-b807-5b5b-9d3d-2bf54e0e92ce.html
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 10, 2014 15:44:23 GMT -5
Banwarth? The first time she wore an opposite colored jersey was at Nebraska. She played setter prior to committing to Nebraska. Now she's one of the top liberos in the world and definitely the most unsung player (overshadowed by current nobodies like Mass, Ailes, Hagglund, and Miyashiro) when she was in college. We were talking about Larson and Robinson. I never claimed cook can't claim any of these players as his development. He definitely can. But IMO, Robinson isn't the great player she is solely cause of cook. So when people say (Kelsey was a husker and that's why she's on the nt, cook made her) or stuff like that, it just makes me question it. I haven't read anything that suggested Cook made Robinson. She was a great player when she arrived. Now I think Nebraska had a huge impact on her and believe she wouldn't be on NT and playing had she not transferred. First it renewed her passion. She has said often that the "culture" in the gym also had a huge impact on her. She got to play on a huge stage which helped her learn how to compete under the lights. I think those things gave her the confidence to believe she could do it at the next level. Remember, her reason for not going to Nebraska out of HS was she wasn't sure if she was good enough at that level. Going to Nebraska proved to her she could. As far as Cook making her way better? I wouldn't agree. Nebraska helping her get to the next level, absolutely.
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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 15:46:00 GMT -5
Banwarth? The first time she wore an opposite colored jersey was at Nebraska. She played setter prior to committing to Nebraska. Now she's one of the top liberos in the world and definitely the most unsung player (overshadowed by current nobodies like Mass, Ailes, Hagglund, and Miyashiro) when she was in college. We were talking about Larson and Robinson. I never claimed cook can't claim any of these players as his development. He definitely can. But IMO, Robinson isn't the great player she is solely cause of cook. So when people say (Kelsey was a husker and that's why she's on the nt, cook made her) or stuff like that, it just makes me question it. And no one is claiming that just because someone plays at Nebraska they're shoe-ins for the NT. LOL The argument is this: Cook has said in interviews how he doesn't like the amount of substitutions allowed in the NCAA, and neither should we, unless we're small players or the parents of small players looking for scholarships via volleyball. Cook has taken the route with his left sides to invest in and emphasize an all-around game instead of subbing them out. Many teams and coaches will take the less riskier option to sub the players out.
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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 15:48:30 GMT -5
Sadly, from what Husker fans are saying, this may be the season we see Cook taking his left side out for a defensive specialist. =/
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 10, 2014 15:51:28 GMT -5
That's what I inferred. Larson can be attributed to cooks success, but not Robinson IMO. I think Larson is an interesting case. Firstly, she was already a great all around OH as the #2 rated recruit. She would have flourished at all reputable schools. She was a homegrown Nebraskan and decided to stay close to home (like many players do), I don't think anything more needs to be made of it. Cook progressed her skills like any good coach should be able to do, but IMO it wasn't some extraordinary leap. Like I said, I think she took the biggest leap in her game once she left Nebraska. Players like Larson shouldn't be the measuring stick on how well coaches develop players. Larson was an incredibly polished player when she entered college. How much better can they get? How much did Barboza develop, or Tom? Her biggest jump did come after college because once your skills reach a certain level. your big jump as a player comes from experience, maturity, challenges at a higher level. Cook would be considered one of the best coaches "in the gym" along with Jmac, Shoji and others, I think he helped Jordan a ton, but wouldn't be responsible for how good she is. The Rolfzen's are the same deal, how much better can they get given their skill level already? I have 16 year olds in the gym who I know aren't going to get much better skill wise. Now they will get bigger and stronger, their understanding of the game will get better, but in terms of skill? Not much.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 10, 2014 15:52:19 GMT -5
We were talking about Larson and Robinson. I never claimed cook can't claim any of these players as his development. He definitely can. But IMO, Robinson isn't the great player she is solely cause of cook. So when people say (Kelsey was a husker and that's why she's on the nt, cook made her) or stuff like that, it just makes me question it. And no one is claiming that just because someone plays at Nebraska they're shoe-ins for the NT. LOL The argument is this: Cook has said in interviews how he doesn't like the amount of substitutions allowed in the NCAA, and neither should we, unless we're small players or the parents of small players looking for scholarships via volleyball. Cook has taken the route with his left sides to invest in and emphasize an all-around game instead of subbing them out. Many teams and coaches will take the less riskier option to sub the players out. Parents of "small" players may like the sub rules, but parent of "medium-sized" (5'8"/5'9"-6'0") should be HATING it.
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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 15:54:46 GMT -5
And no one is claiming that just because someone plays at Nebraska they're shoe-ins for the NT. LOL The argument is this: Cook has said in interviews how he doesn't like the amount of substitutions allowed in the NCAA, and neither should we, unless we're small players or the parents of small players looking for scholarships via volleyball. Cook has taken the route with his left sides to invest in and emphasize an all-around game instead of subbing them out. Many teams and coaches will take the less riskier option to sub the players out. Parents of "small" players may like the sub rules, but parent of "medium-sized" (5'8"/5'9"-6'0") should be HATING it. Exactly. That 4-year schollie turned into 2 years.
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