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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 6, 2014 12:34:28 GMT -5
That's crazy talk. How could you defend it in any rational way? Based on what he inherited; he's doing a great job And if Louisville is any indication, the grass isn't any greener after letting him go.
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Post by montechello on Nov 6, 2014 13:10:10 GMT -5
Yelin inherited a team with an RPI around 100 consistently for the five previous years, somewhere in the 80s, 90s, and low-100s. Syracuse now is at 201.
Since he started at Syracuse he has the lowest winning % of all coaches in the 42-year history of Syracuse volleyball. That includes conference winning % and out-of-conference winning %. Any way you figure it, he has the team's worst record ever.
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Post by volleytology on Nov 6, 2014 13:15:41 GMT -5
Yelin inherited a team with an RPI around 100 consistently for the five previous years, somewhere in the 80s, 90s, and low-100s. Syracuse now is at 201. Since he started at Syracuse he has the lowest winning % of all coaches in the 42-year history of Syracuse volleyball. That includes conference winning % and out-of-conference winning %. Any way you figure it, he has the team's worst record ever. Yes, Syracuse has been a mediocre program forever and changing the culture of a program that has lived in mediocrity is often the most difficult task a coach can take on; even moreso than inheriting a program that has been awful. This is his third year and they've had a ton of injuries; Leonid is a highly respected and very successful coach and Syracuse is very lucky to have him as their coach.
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Post by montechello on Nov 6, 2014 14:10:42 GMT -5
You are lying, volleytology.
Why are you lying about Syracuse's long history of respectable volleyball just to defend its current coach? He's failing. And you're lying. Are you an enemy of Syracuse? Is Yelin paying you?
Syracuse never has been a top-level program, but it certainly was healthy and stable before Yelin showed up.
Record before Yelin: 781-515 (conference 179-158) Record with Yelin: 36-49 (conference 16-30) 2007 RPI: 82 2008 RPI: 121 2009 RPI: 90 2010 RPI: 112 2011 RPI: 112 Yelin 2012 RPI: 195 Yelin 2013 RPI: 167 Yelin 2014 RPI: 201
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Post by volleytology on Nov 6, 2014 14:25:21 GMT -5
You are lying, volleytology. Why are you lying about Syracuse's long history of respectable volleyball just to defend its current coach? He's failing. And you're lying. Are you an enemy of Syracuse? Is Yelin paying you? Syracuse never has been a top-level program, but it certainly was healthy and stable before Yelin showed up. Record before Yelin: 781-515 (conference 179-158) Record with Yelin: 36-49 (conference 16-30) 2007 RPI: 82 2008 RPI: 121 2009 RPI: 90 2010 RPI: 112 2011 RPI: 112 Yelin 2012 RPI: 195 Yelin 2013 RPI: 167 Yelin 2014 RPI: 201 Interesting... you obviously feel very passionate about Syracuse volleyball and the job Leonid is doing, maybe more passion than was ever exhibited by anyone during the previous coaches tenure, when it seemed no one cared, including the administration. My only concern for Leonid is how excited and motivated he at this stage in his career to take on this rebuilding task at Syracuse. As far as his ability as a coach, I don't think that can be questioned.
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Post by volleytalker16 on Nov 6, 2014 14:29:29 GMT -5
How many years did Terry Liskevych struggle at Oregon State before this year? He was considered a top commodity and I believe still is. It does take several years to buy into a system before any success regardless of the initial results. The previous coach and Yelin were very different which would create some calamity transitioning between programs. You're not going to find two Jing Pu's out there thats for sure.
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Post by sevb on Nov 6, 2014 14:33:19 GMT -5
You are lying, volleytology. Why are you lying about Syracuse's long history of respectable volleyball just to defend its current coach? He's failing. And you're lying. Are you an enemy of Syracuse? Is Yelin paying you? Syracuse never has been a top-level program, but it certainly was healthy and stable before Yelin showed up. Record before Yelin: 781-515 (conference 179-158) Record with Yelin: 36-49 (conference 16-30) 2007 RPI: 82 2008 RPI: 121 2009 RPI: 90 2010 RPI: 112 2011 RPI: 112 Yelin 2012 RPI: 195 Yelin 2013 RPI: 167 Yelin 2014 RPI: 201 That escalated quickly...
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 6, 2014 14:37:50 GMT -5
Obviously, Yelin is a Soviet spy sent to destroy America by ruining respectable girl's volleyball programs in Upstate NY.
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Post by Not Me on Nov 6, 2014 14:43:50 GMT -5
Obviously, Yelin is a Soviet spy sent to destroy America by ruining respectable girl's volleyball programs in Upstate NY. Isn't that an upcoming plot line on the Americans?
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Post by fujiboy7 on Nov 7, 2014 9:02:48 GMT -5
There are three players left he inherited. One is gone for the season and the other is hitting 300 which is leading the team. The other one is a ds so his inherited players are not the problem. There is no certain player who should be on the court but if they are not getting the job done replace them. You should really watch a game.
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Post by n00b on Nov 7, 2014 9:33:48 GMT -5
How many years did Terry Liskevych struggle at Oregon State before this year? He was considered a top commodity and I believe still is. So you think if Oregon State were to fire Liskevych (they obviously will not), he'd be able to land another high profile job? I disagree that he's a hot commodity. Same for Yelin. He lost the job at Louisville and got hired at a very mediocre program.
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Post by volleytology on Nov 7, 2014 10:32:41 GMT -5
How many years did Terry Liskevych struggle at Oregon State before this year? He was considered a top commodity and I believe still is. So you think if Oregon State were to fire Liskevych (they obviously will not), he'd be able to land another high profile job? I disagree that he's a hot commodity. Same for Yelin. He lost the job at Louisville and got hired at a very mediocre program. Both Terry and Leonid are at the tail ends of their careers from an age standpoint, but both are tremendous coaches, highly respected in the profession and currently in very tough places to win at. Terry's building Pacific to a national power then leading the USA national team for 12 (!) years and Leonid's incredibly successful career at Louisville (and Barry University before that) attests to their ability to coach at a high level.
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Post by PTW winner on Nov 7, 2014 13:00:43 GMT -5
This is where soooo many get this wrong. Some of the best coaches in the nation have mediocre teams. Some of the least talented coaches have some of the best teams in the country. Those coaches who are giving their team all the right info, motivation and training still have mediocre seasons. Why? Because there are more variables then coaching level. The most important are player talent level, returning experience at multiple positions, and staying healthy. Most teams that are successful have these 3 elements. Or the program is well supported by fans/$ and consistently draw in the top 25 players each year. Often with these teams, as long as the coach doesn't screw them up they will do just fine. When you get the combination of great coaching and school you get programs like Rose, Cook, Wise, Dunning...
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Post by Not Me on Nov 7, 2014 14:27:24 GMT -5
To be a "great" (that term is used way too loosely) at the college level you have to be able to do several things.
#1, you need to be able to recruit. If you can't get the players, nothing else matters.
You might be good at training, or as a tactician, or in motivating. But if you can't recruit you are missing a key piece of the puzzle.
I don't see how anyone can be considered "great" if they cannot excel at everything a college coach coach need to do to be successful.
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Post by itsallrelative on Nov 7, 2014 14:44:40 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can be considered "great" if they cannot excel at everything a college coach coach need to do to be successful. or, realize their weaknesses, and be willing to have talented assistants to fill in their gaps.... just my $.02.
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