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Post by ardatak on Apr 22, 2016 17:42:47 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the great explanation, Klazk - I did not realize that is how it worked - I actually thought that Hyden/Bourne were just piling up additional points like crazy and would soon catch them!!!
Same, so will Phil & Nick be in a similar situation soon?
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Post by guest2 on Apr 22, 2016 18:57:58 GMT -5
They did, they also lost to them in the Sochi Final Not playing well based on going three with a couple teams you would expect them to handle pretty easily, including one in the playoffs, although they did slap around the Mexican team pretty badly and in both three set matches, after losing one, they won the other two by good margins. So let's see, they are 1-1 with a top FIVB team and even the loss to them in Sochi was very tight, so probably could have went their way. They went 3 a couple times this tourney, but easy victories after 1st set loss. Then slap a good Mexico team in quarters. Sounds like they are playing bad....lol! Their record against the Latvians is irrelevant to how well they are playing this week. Those games were last year. Also their win against those Latvians a close three sets, and Phil/Nick lost in 2 so it was closer to 0-2 for Phil and Nick than 2-0. Hence my statement that "the Latvians gave them trouble last year" a statement so simple and true only an idiot would dispute it. You dispute they arent playing well. Nick/Phil are, based on recent performance, the no. 2 team in the world. They played 5 matches and 0 top ten teams. Against the 3rd best Italian team they went 3 Against the 3rd best Latvian team they went 3 Going 3 against the 25th and 30th best teams in the world - using Olympic rankings - is indeed a sign of poor play for the 2nd best team in the world. A point so clear only an idiot would dispute it.
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Post by woodandsand on Apr 22, 2016 20:55:16 GMT -5
So let's see, they are 1-1 with a top FIVB team and even the loss to them in Sochi was very tight, so probably could have went their way. They went 3 a couple times this tourney, but easy victories after 1st set loss. Then slap a good Mexico team in quarters. Sounds like they are playing bad....lol! Their record against the Latvians is irrelevant to how well they are playing this week. Those games were last year. Also their win against those Latvians a close three sets, and Phil/Nick lost in 2 so it was closer to 0-2 for Phil and Nick than 2-0. Hence my statement that "the Latvians gave them trouble last year" a statement so simple and true only an idiot would dispute it. You dispute they arent playing well. Nick/Phil are, based on recent performance, the no. 2 team in the world. They played 5 matches and 0 top ten teams. Against the 3rd best Italian team they went 3 Against the 3rd best Latvian team they went 3 Going 3 against the 25th and 30th best teams in the world - using Olympic rankings - is indeed a sign of poor play for the 2nd best team in the world. A point so clear only an idiot would dispute it. Idiot huh....lol. I'll leave it at this, since you can't seem to be rational. An idiot would make a conclusion based on numbers on a computer screen, so unless you are in China watching or found it somewhere online your statements are baseless.
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Post by chicory on Apr 22, 2016 23:18:31 GMT -5
Guest2 has been roasted, also Nick and Phil win 2-0 21-19, 21-13...
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Post by crawdaddy on Apr 22, 2016 23:41:49 GMT -5
Another good win by Carico and Summer to get to the 3rd Round. Would love to see them battle hard against Kerri and April and establish that they can compete at that level. This was such an important tournament for them, given the disappointing Brazil tournaments and the first China event.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 23, 2016 3:17:48 GMT -5
Guest2 has been roasted, also Nick and Phil win 2-0 21-19, 21-13... Nick/Phil were fine against Latvia, but that game was mostly about Latvia being poor. According to Phil, "we got Latvia on an off game, we've played them when they were a lot better, we got lucky"
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Post by guest2 on Apr 23, 2016 3:26:23 GMT -5
Another good win by Carico and Summer to get to the 3rd Round. Would love to see them battle hard against Kerri and April and establish that they can compete at that level. This was such an important tournament for them, given the disappointing Brazil tournaments and the first China event. Lane and Summer beat three solid teams this week so a very good sign for them. Hopefully they can build on it. Number 2 for the US it there to be taken (not for the Olympics but just generally)
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Post by woodandsand on Apr 23, 2016 5:59:03 GMT -5
Guest2 has been roasted, also Nick and Phil win 2-0 21-19, 21-13... Nick/Phil were fine against Latvia, but that game was mostly about Latvia being poor. According to Phil, "we got Latvia on an off game, we've played them when they were a lot better, we got lucky" I'm surprised he didn't say "we are playing extremely extremely poor and actually surprised we made it through pool play. Somehow we just completely controlled the quarters, semis, and finals for the win though??" Congrats Phil/Nick and Go USA!
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Post by klazk on Apr 23, 2016 7:10:02 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the great explanation, Klazk - I did not realize that is how it worked - I actually thought that Hyden/Bourne were just piling up additional points like crazy and would soon catch them!!!
Same, so will Phil & Nick be in a similar situation soon?
As long as neither Dalhausser/Lucena suffer a devasting injury, they are essentially already qualified. They are the #4 team in points right now (excluding the Brazilians who are irrelevant since they got their berths from WC and host country). They still have two events to add (which they have to technically participate in to qualify). Their worst two point totals during qualifying are 450. So let's estimate another 900 points at worst. That would put them at 5980, which would tie them with Brouwer/Meeuwsen for the top spot. Teams are going to start mathematically clinching after the next open. I really don't know that there is going to be a ton of drama anywhere on the men's side. The only thing keeping hopes alive is the grand slams are the last 2 events so there could be some decent point improvements at the very end. But the gap between the #15 (last spot) and #16 teams right now is 410 points. It isn't insurmountable, but when you are replacing in opens, it is difficult to make that up.
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Post by chicory on Apr 23, 2016 8:28:18 GMT -5
Nick/Phil were fine against Latvia, but that game was mostly about Latvia being poor. According to Phil, "we got Latvia on an off game, we've played them when they were a lot better, we got lucky" Haha...you should know that Phil is always very diplomatic.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 23, 2016 8:58:19 GMT -5
Nick/Phil were fine against Latvia, but that game was mostly about Latvia being poor. According to Phil, "we got Latvia on an off game, we've played them when they were a lot better, we got lucky" Haha...you should know that Phil is always very diplomatic. I also saw the game. Latvia was just bad.
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Post by ebes1099 on Apr 23, 2016 11:26:49 GMT -5
Latvia was bad, Nick and Phil made game 1 closer than it should have been with some untimely bad ball control. It was nice they had a little cushion.
Props to the FIVB for streaming their Youtube feed in the USA this time.
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Post by haze on Apr 23, 2016 12:13:14 GMT -5
Good tournament result for Lane/Carico.
They now have the 12 tournaments, but are 2,170 points from women's 2nd in Olympic qualifying. I am going to assume they are pretty much out of contention, but maybe they can carry this over and get hot with some nice finishes and make it interesting. Would rather see them as a boom or bust type team over the consistently average Fendrick/Sweat. Just my opinion.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 23, 2016 13:12:24 GMT -5
Same, so will Phil & Nick be in a similar situation soon?
As long as neither Dalhausser/Lucena suffer a devasting injury, they are essentially already qualified. They are the #4 team in points right now (excluding the Brazilians who are irrelevant since they got their berths from WC and host country). They still have two events to add (which they have to technically participate in to qualify). Their worst two point totals during qualifying are 450. So let's estimate another 900 points at worst. That would put them at 5980, which would tie them with Brouwer/Meeuwsen for the top spot. Teams are going to start mathematically clinching after the next open. I really don't know that there is going to be a ton of drama anywhere on the men's side. The only thing keeping hopes alive is the grand slams are the last 2 events so there could be some decent point improvements at the very end. But the gap between the #15 (last spot) and #16 teams right now is 410 points. It isn't insurmountable, but when you are replacing in opens, it is difficult to make that up. How is that possible with so many tournaments left? In theory couldnt some teams replace almost all their finishes? I know its mostly Opens, but still.
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Post by klazk on Apr 23, 2016 13:54:54 GMT -5
As long as neither Dalhausser/Lucena suffer a devasting injury, they are essentially already qualified. They are the #4 team in points right now (excluding the Brazilians who are irrelevant since they got their berths from WC and host country). They still have two events to add (which they have to technically participate in to qualify). Their worst two point totals during qualifying are 450. So let's estimate another 900 points at worst. That would put them at 5980, which would tie them with Brouwer/Meeuwsen for the top spot. Teams are going to start mathematically clinching after the next open. I really don't know that there is going to be a ton of drama anywhere on the men's side. The only thing keeping hopes alive is the grand slams are the last 2 events so there could be some decent point improvements at the very end. But the gap between the #15 (last spot) and #16 teams right now is 410 points. It isn't insurmountable, but when you are replacing in opens, it is difficult to make that up. How is that possible with so many tournaments left? In theory couldnt some teams replace almost all their finishes? I know its mostly Opens, but still. It is definitely possible. Just unlikely. Teams have over a year of finishes. To think a bunch are going to go on a run with significantly higher finishes then they have over the past year + is simply unlikely. 400 points behind with 6 tournaments to go is a lot. Not only do you have to improve your finishes but the teams in front of you have to not improve. Again it can certainly happen. I just wouldn't be surprised if it plays out that the 15 teams that are in the lead right now are the same ones that ultimately qualify.
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