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Post by gk on Aug 19, 2016 10:34:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know how countries like the Netherlands do it support wise for beach teams? Having 2 of the top teams on the mens side seems impressive for a country that size. Just happen to be lucky with their current athletes or do they have a good program? Austria also seems to do better than you'd think for such a small country.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 19, 2016 11:18:22 GMT -5
Does anyone know how countries like the Netherlands do it support wise for beach teams? Having 2 of the top teams on the mens side seems impressive for a country that size. Just happen to be lucky with their current athletes or do they have a good program? Austria also seems to do better than you'd think for such a small country. Not for the Dutch but for some other countries I think being small may be a benefit. If you were Austrian and a top player, would you rather try to find one other great player and play beach, or 8 others to compete indoors. Conversely in countries with a lot of support, and where its easier to make money in VB, there may be a glut leading some players to move to beach. In a way I like that the US seems to gve everyone a chance but since USAV controls access to international events, why do we ever send players like Derek Olson? We should lobby the FIVB for at least one automatic entry for all top countries and then use access to make promises to athletes who may want to play beach but not trust in their ability to make money immediately
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Post by haze on Aug 19, 2016 15:43:58 GMT -5
I think USAV should hold a series of tournaments with earned ratings throughout all the tournaments and invest in the teams that finish the highest end of series rankings. Maybe even have age restrictions or categories for series to identify talent at different ages. It would weed out the 30 year olds that continue to try and get through via the AVPNext, when that isn't really what the purpose of AVPNext in the first place. Teams earn a per diem or some type of financial compensation from USAV for the following season, maybe even purchase a training area for those players with Beach access to live and train until they are able to support themselves through FIVB.
Gives earned players a window of time to continue to develop to make the next step, and with that being a winner's pull it would give a lot of young players wanting to work hard for a career in Beach Volleyball incentive to continue to work and finish well in those series.
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Post by haze on Aug 19, 2016 15:46:00 GMT -5
Dutch have a small benefit of being the tallest country of people in the world. They have some hella athletic tall people there.
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Post by bvbllr on Aug 19, 2016 16:23:44 GMT -5
In Austria there is the national volleyball federation that provides support especially for developing young players and getting them to international tournaments. But after this teams defnitely have a hard time raising the required funds to train and compete on international level. Doppler/Horst have the benefit of being the national top players for more than a decade and were fortunate to be considered in program of the national Olympic committee that provided some funds for promising athletes over the last years but Huber/Seidl were very dependent on supporters and even had to start a crowdfunding campaign this year to be able to get to Rio after some sponsors discontinued their support. While there is some restructuring going on on the mens side and currently no real elite teams exist, Switzerland probably has one of the best systems for developing their national teams with coaching staff, facilities, etc. - on the women's side the effectiveness is quite evident.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 17:01:36 GMT -5
I think Ross & Walsh will,attempt Tokyo, if they qualify remains to be seen.....This tourney took a lot out of both of them, more emotionally than physically.....A lot of young talent will be trying for those to spots.....Would love to see Kerri continue domestically and try to reach Karchies record....Ross saidd on NBC that she is definetely attempting 2020 & she would like Kerri with her, but she is taking a long while before making any permanent decisions......So proud of all our Olympians!!πΊπΈπΊπΈπΊπΈπΊπΈπΊπΈπΊπΈππππππ
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Post by haze on Aug 19, 2016 17:15:47 GMT -5
I think April is going to think long and hard about who her best option is going to be for Tokyo.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 21, 2016 21:53:26 GMT -5
Interesting conversation, one that is directly aimed at people like me. I have an 11 year old daughter who has played indoor club for 2 years and picked up beach this year, she played with her 11 year old cousin. We live in Wisconsin, not many actual beaches here, but we were able to get 4 weekends in a row during July - Milwaukee and Two Rivers EVP, Waupaca Boatride and USAV Nat'l beach champs.
We are currently at a crossroads because of this summer. Beach was a lot more fun, the girls got more out of one month playing in sand than they did the entire 5 months of indoor club. They both played for very good clubs and both played all 6 rotations all year but they enjoyed beach more. My daughter wants to play for Milwaukee Sting this coming year but they play into end of June which will cut into traveling out of state to beach tourneys. Something else that has to be factored in is the cost. We pay $60 per beach tourney, we will pay in the range of $1500-1800 this season if we make Sting. So we are not sure which direction we want to go. I see the comments about the 11 months of indoor and I have seen the injuries at the high school level from so much indoor. However, in our area, if they want to go to somebody who will have a beach team, we have to cough up $350 typically plus tourney fees. I do not really see a need for a paid coach so we are not going that route unless we have a compelling reason.
The main issue though is lack of exposure here, we had enough tourneys to fill July but I found AVP first the other day. Look at their map, there is not a stop/location within 1,000 miles of us. Not really sure how important AVP first is in the grand scheme of things, might just be another way to get money from the rubes similar to USAV's HP program outside of A-1 level. But the midwest really does not have the exposure that Cali does. Weather is obvious for October through April even though Cali is not all that warm either along the coast during those months. But you don't have to worry about diving into a snowbank either. We do have quite a few AAU events in Chicago that we will take a look at this coming year so we have June/July options but then it is over for us.
So in short, unless we move to Florida, Texas, Cali or North Carolina, we will inevitably end up with indoor and just use beach for a fun diversion most likely. I do not see Wisconsin starting up beach for High School like Florida recently did at any rate.
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Post by johnbar on Aug 21, 2016 23:35:41 GMT -5
I am usually wrong when I try to predict these things, but I don't think Kerri Walsh Jennings will try for Tokyo. Time to move on from chasing those Olympic dreams.
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Post by chicory on Aug 21, 2016 23:37:15 GMT -5
I do not really see a need for a paid coach Can I ask why?
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Post by letsfly on Aug 22, 2016 0:33:25 GMT -5
Interesting conversation, one that is directly aimed at people like me. I have an 11 year old daughter who has played indoor club for 2 years and picked up beach this year, she played with her 11 year old cousin. We live in Wisconsin, not many actual beaches here, but we were able to get 4 weekends in a row during July - Milwaukee and Two Rivers EVP, Waupaca Boatride and USAV Nat'l beach champs. We are currently at a crossroads because of this summer. Beach was a lot more fun, the girls got more out of one month playing in sand than they did the entire 5 months of indoor club. They both played for very good clubs and both played all 6 rotations all year but they enjoyed beach more. My daughter wants to play for Milwaukee Sting this coming year but they play into end of June which will cut into traveling out of state to beach tourneys. Something else that has to be factored in is the cost. We pay $60 per beach tourney, we will pay in the range of $1500-1800 this season if we make Sting. So we are not sure which direction we want to go. I see the comments about the 11 months of indoor and I have seen the injuries at the high school level from so much indoor. However, in our area, if they want to go to somebody who will have a beach team, we have to cough up $350 typically plus tourney fees. I do not really see a need for a paid coach so we are not going that route unless we have a compelling reason. The main issue though is lack of exposure here, we had enough tourneys to fill July but I found AVP first the other day. Look at their map, there is not a stop/location within 1,000 miles of us. Not really sure how important AVP first is in the grand scheme of things, might just be another way to get money from the rubes similar to USAV's HP program outside of A-1 level. But the midwest really does not have the exposure that Cali does. Weather is obvious for October through April even though Cali is not all that warm either along the coast during those months. But you don't have to worry about diving into a snowbank either. We do have quite a few AAU events in Chicago that we will take a look at this coming year so we have June/July options but then it is over for us. So in short, unless we move to Florida, Texas, Cali or North Carolina, we will inevitably end up with indoor and just use beach for a fun diversion most likely. I do not see Wisconsin starting up beach for High School like Florida recently did at any rate. Is there no organized beach association/league in Wisconsin? I'm from Ontario so I'm not totally sure how it all works in the different states, but the OVA runs indoor November-April+nationals in May (most clubs start practice in September), and then they also run beach tournies nearly every weekend May-August so there's basically no overlap between indoor and beach season
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Post by guest2 on Aug 22, 2016 4:59:08 GMT -5
Interesting conversation, one that is directly aimed at people like me. I have an 11 year old daughter who has played indoor club for 2 years and picked up beach this year, she played with her 11 year old cousin. We live in Wisconsin, not many actual beaches here, but we were able to get 4 weekends in a row during July - Milwaukee and Two Rivers EVP, Waupaca Boatride and USAV Nat'l beach champs. We are currently at a crossroads because of this summer. Beach was a lot more fun, the girls got more out of one month playing in sand than they did the entire 5 months of indoor club. They both played for very good clubs and both played all 6 rotations all year but they enjoyed beach more. My daughter wants to play for Milwaukee Sting this coming year but they play into end of June which will cut into traveling out of state to beach tourneys. Something else that has to be factored in is the cost. We pay $60 per beach tourney, we will pay in the range of $1500-1800 this season if we make Sting. So we are not sure which direction we want to go. I see the comments about the 11 months of indoor and I have seen the injuries at the high school level from so much indoor. However, in our area, if they want to go to somebody who will have a beach team, we have to cough up $350 typically plus tourney fees. I do not really see a need for a paid coach so we are not going that route unless we have a compelling reason. The main issue though is lack of exposure here, we had enough tourneys to fill July but I found AVP first the other day. Look at their map, there is not a stop/location within 1,000 miles of us. Not really sure how important AVP first is in the grand scheme of things, might just be another way to get money from the rubes similar to USAV's HP program outside of A-1 level. But the midwest really does not have the exposure that Cali does. Weather is obvious for October through April even though Cali is not all that warm either along the coast during those months. But you don't have to worry about diving into a snowbank either. We do have quite a few AAU events in Chicago that we will take a look at this coming year so we have June/July options but then it is over for us. So in short, unless we move to Florida, Texas, Cali or North Carolina, we will inevitably end up with indoor and just use beach for a fun diversion most likely. I do not see Wisconsin starting up beach for High School like Florida recently did at any rate. Cali along the coast in winter months is just fine for volleyball A couple things here as someone who started playing tournaments at 13 well before there were juniors tournaments. Let them play against adults. They will learn a lot, particularly in the mental aspect of the game. Parents now have an obsession with organization etc. but getting your kids into regular outdoor tournaments will be fun for them and will help with a lot of different things. Not limiting yourself to junior events will also make more events available. Also think about grass. For developing skills, nothing beats grass volleyball. You get a billion reps of everything and it carries over to both indoor and beach. As to a paid coach it depends on how much you know about volleyball and how much they have learned. As long as there is someone who understands how to play etc. and can make sure their technique is good then you are right a coach for beach is unnecessary
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 22, 2016 7:24:42 GMT -5
I do not really see a need for a paid coach Can I ask why? For beach at the moment, I feel I am competent enough to teach them at this age what they need. Also, in our area, all clinics are run during the day so my wife or I would need to find somebody to drive them a minimum of 45 miles both ways daily (hours are something like 10:00-2:00) or find a friendly boss that would let us work from home and remotely during the summer - not likely to happen with either of our jobs
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 22, 2016 7:39:26 GMT -5
Is there no organized beach association/league in Wisconsin? I'm from Ontario so I'm not totally sure how it all works in the different states, but the OVA runs indoor November-April+nationals in May (most clubs start practice in September), and then they also run beach tournies nearly every weekend May-August so there's basically no overlap between indoor and beach season I have not found anything in Wisconsin for indoor beach during the winter, there are a few bars that have a court or two, most are a pretty good distance from us. There are 4 different clubs that have sand courts, all of them play indoor until nationals are done (end of June) and start their beach about a month before nationals WI Jrs offers 10 practice and 20 practice packages, they had 2 mid May practices this year but do not begin really until June when their schedule picks up. The other 4 programs we have in state are along the same timeline. But we do not have a league and only Jrs holds tournaments during the summer. That would be a good idea though to have the different clubs organize a league between them
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 22, 2016 7:47:43 GMT -5
Cali along the coast in winter months is just fine for volleyball A couple things here as someone who started playing tournaments at 13 well before there were juniors tournaments. Let them play against adults. They will learn a lot, particularly in the mental aspect of the game. Parents now have an obsession with organization etc. but getting your kids into regular outdoor tournaments will be fun for them and will help with a lot of different things. Not limiting yourself to junior events will also make more events available. Also think about grass. For developing skills, nothing beats grass volleyball. You get a billion reps of everything and it carries over to both indoor and beach. As to a paid coach it depends on how much you know about volleyball and how much they have learned. As long as there is someone who understands how to play etc. and can make sure their technique is good then you are right a coach for beach is unnecessary In one of the tourneys this summer, there were only 4 teams signed up - 1 12's, 2 14's and a 16's. Since the nets were up already, we just played a pool and then bracket. My girls had a great time beating the 16's, still finished ties for 3rd. But had a really good time
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