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Post by bvbllr on Aug 16, 2016 14:54:41 GMT -5
What changes do you want to see after the Olympics? Both on international and U.S. level?
Some things I would find interesting:
U.S. - mix almost all established teams for the next 1-2 years to develop young players and figure out what works - e.g. Tri with one of the Crabbs, Phil to play with younger defenders, Doherty some games with Tri some with Crabbs, Slick with top defender, maybe mix in some indoor talent who can make the transition ...
International: - Poland: Prudel with one of the taller players (so much talent out there) - Latvia: split the top team and pair them with younger players - Netherlands: will be interesting who is going to join Varenhorst - don't think Brouwer/Meeuwsen will break up for him - Brazil: too many possibilities but Bruno with Loyola or Saymon would be amazing - Germany: see if they manage to get back to world class - don't think team changes with the established players get them there but some rebuilding with new talent is needed
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Post by guest2 on Aug 16, 2016 16:35:51 GMT -5
I'd like to see all the US teams shift but not at the direction of the national federation. I dont think anybody should be forced to give up wins and money by being forced to team with someone they dont want.
That said the US teams, except Phil./Nick are stale. I'd like to see some rule changes so I never have to watch something like Bourne and Hyden stay together way too long chasing an ever smaller chance at qualifying for an event they had zero chance to win anyway. If Bruno/Allison win the final I think they are together for the next year or two.
I think the giant Dutch stay together as well.
Id love to see the FIVB adopt a format where for the first two years players can play with anyone regardless of country and then in the last two they go back to national teams for qualifying purposes.
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Post by ardatak on Aug 16, 2016 17:28:14 GMT -5
Phil + Bruno !!!
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Post by haze on Aug 16, 2016 19:48:17 GMT -5
What is up with that Poland team? They looked miserably playing with each other. I haven't watched them before but they seemed to be just going through motions. I liked watching Prudel play. I was assuming they were a friend formed partnership considering they are both small and they had a great amount of success a couple years ago. They really looked like they didn't enjoy playing with each other.
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Post by haze on Aug 16, 2016 20:00:38 GMT -5
The problem with the US is you have old guys that are professionals and committed to what they wanted in their career (Phil, Nick, Patterson, Gibb, Hyden, Rosie) that are in the twilight of their career.
You then have a bunch of middle aged players in Doherty, Mayer, Casebeer, Slick, and Brunner that are all ho-hum. The lack of depth of talent in this age group has allowed career vagabonds and drifters like Tramblie, Loomis, Billy Allen, Burik, Drost, Kolinske, etc into the upper echelon mold of US players. I firmly believe there is a significant different in level of skill between this group and the guys in their twilight. Maybe some of that is age and they will get better but I think that middle aged group is what it is at this point.
Then you have the Crabb's and Bourne which I think are an excellent foundation for US volleyball's future but that is literally it. I can't think of any other guys 25-under other than Taylor Crabb who looks promising, and no I'm not forgetting Page I'm just not going to count him.
I think the main problem right now, is what is USA VOlleyball going to do to get the men's side jumpstarted again, or are they going the hands off approach again and let things fall where they may, which could be bad. The World is absolutely littered with guys 25- under playing at an FIVB level and the USA has a total of 1 player that at this point is even competent in comparison.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 17, 2016 8:10:29 GMT -5
On the USAV web page, this is who they list in their system. IMO USAV has improved 10 fold in the last 5 years. Until younger players can make comparable $$ to indoor, the lean will always be there. Biggest names I see missing on the men's side are Page, Lorenz, DeFalco, Kessel. Women's side, Hughes/Claes, Witt twins, but they are still in schools.
2016 U.S. Olympic Beach Volleyball Team Women Men Lauren Fendrick Phil Dalhausser April Ross Jake Gibb Brooke Sweat Nick Lucena Kerri Walsh Jennings Casey Patterson 2016 Beach National Team Women Men Lane Carico Tri Bourne Emily Day Phil Dalhausser Lauren Fendrick Ryan Doherty Jennifer Fopma Jake Gibb Jennifer Kessy John Hyden April Ross Nick Lucena Summer Ross John Mayer Brooke Sweat Casey Patterson Kerri Walsh Jennings 2016 Beach A2 Team Women Men Kimberly DiCello Billy Allen Amanda Dowdy Theo Brunner Brittney Hochevar Mark Burik Caitlin Ledoux Jeremy Casebeer Ali McColloch Taylor Crabb Irene Pollock Trevor Crabb Kelly Reeves Derek Olson Kendra Van Zwieten Sean Rosenthal Stafford Slick Elite Development Program Women Men Cecilia Agraz Michael Boag Angela Bensend Andrew Dentler Meg Dawson Avery Drost Kelley Larsen Miles Evans Betsi Metter Hawk Hatcher Kerri Schuh Skyler McCoy Emily Stockman Maddison McKibbin Jessica Sykora Riley McKibbin Geena Urango Ian Satterfield Christina Vucich Amanda Wiggins
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Post by guest2 on Aug 17, 2016 10:07:31 GMT -5
On the women's side I am really curious to see what happens with Walross. If Kerri retires I think April might be better off as a blocker. If Kerri doesn't I would love to see her chase Karch's record.
There was some informed speculation that this might be April's last year too.
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Post by haze on Aug 17, 2016 10:26:49 GMT -5
On the USAV web page, this is who they list in their system. IMO USAV has improved 10 fold in the last 5 years. Until younger players can make comparable $$ to indoor, the lean will always be there. Biggest names I see missing on the men's side are Page, Lorenz, DeFalco, Kessel. Women's side, Hughes/Claes, Witt twins, but they are still in schools. 2016 U.S. Olympic Beach Volleyball Team Women Men Lauren Fendrick Phil Dalhausser April Ross Jake Gibb Brooke Sweat Nick Lucena Kerri Walsh Jennings Casey Patterson 2016 Beach National Team Women Men Lane Carico Tri Bourne Emily Day Phil Dalhausser Lauren Fendrick Ryan Doherty Jennifer Fopma Jake Gibb Jennifer Kessy John Hyden April Ross Nick Lucena Summer Ross John Mayer Brooke Sweat Casey Patterson Kerri Walsh Jennings 2016 Beach A2 Team Women Men Kimberly DiCello Billy Allen Amanda Dowdy Theo Brunner Brittney Hochevar Mark Burik Caitlin Ledoux Jeremy Casebeer Ali McColloch Taylor Crabb Irene Pollock Trevor Crabb Kelly Reeves Derek Olson Kendra Van Zwieten Sean Rosenthal Stafford Slick Elite Development Program Women Men Cecilia Agraz Michael Boag Angela Bensend Andrew Dentler Meg Dawson Avery Drost Kelley Larsen Miles Evans Betsi Metter Hawk Hatcher Kerri Schuh Skyler McCoy Emily Stockman Maddison McKibbin Jessica Sykora Riley McKibbin Geena Urango Ian Satterfield Christina Vucich Amanda Wiggins Women's isn't a concern. Men's is IMO. It might not be fair to say because there hasn't been much opportunity from the young players, but there just doesn't seem to be a lot of talent anywehere in the tank when you look at 25-under. The men's teams get rocked in the U-21 tournaments. I'm not at all a big fan of the ceiling potential of the players that are young 30's range. Kessel is an indoor focused player, I don't see much volleyball acumen at all in Page right now but he is young, and not sure about the others. The biggest thing you stated is the money and you are absolutely right, but when will that start happening? Right now it can't even compare to indoor and keeps alot of those players focused on that that would maybe like to try Beach. Instead they will probably move over later. Pretty envious of the men's indoor team when you look at their outside situation and all that youth and think what if some of those guys played beach?
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 17, 2016 14:11:48 GMT -5
Women's isn't a concern. Men's is IMO. It might not be fair to say because there hasn't been much opportunity from the young players, but there just doesn't seem to be a lot of talent anywehere in the tank when you look at 25-under. The men's teams get rocked in the U-21 tournaments. I'm not at all a big fan of the ceiling potential of the players that are young 30's range. Kessel is an indoor focused player, I don't see much volleyball acumen at all in Page right now but he is young, and not sure about the others. The biggest thing you stated is the money and you are absolutely right, but when will that start happening? Right now it can't even compare to indoor and keeps alot of those players focused on that that would maybe like to try Beach. Instead they will probably move over later. Pretty envious of the men's indoor team when you look at their outside situation and all that youth and think what if some of those guys played beach? Well, the beach got Taylor Crabb because of the depth at OH. This would be the year for some young bigs to make a push. Theo Brunner will be a at least a year younger than every player for the US men in 4 years, Avatar will be 36 just like Phil, Nick and Casey were this year.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 17, 2016 14:58:25 GMT -5
Women's isn't a concern. Men's is IMO. It might not be fair to say because there hasn't been much opportunity from the young players, but there just doesn't seem to be a lot of talent anywehere in the tank when you look at 25-under. The men's teams get rocked in the U-21 tournaments. I'm not at all a big fan of the ceiling potential of the players that are young 30's range. Kessel is an indoor focused player, I don't see much volleyball acumen at all in Page right now but he is young, and not sure about the others. The biggest thing you stated is the money and you are absolutely right, but when will that start happening? Right now it can't even compare to indoor and keeps alot of those players focused on that that would maybe like to try Beach. Instead they will probably move over later. Pretty envious of the men's indoor team when you look at their outside situation and all that youth and think what if some of those guys played beach? Well, the beach got Taylor Crabb because of the depth at OH. This would be the year for some young bigs to make a push. Theo Brunner will be a at least a year younger than every player for the US men in 4 years, Avatar will be 36 just like Phil, Nick and Casey were this year. I think a few very rare exceptions has made us think staying good past 35 is way easier than it actually is. In particular if you werent that good at 32, like Ryan Phil seemed hurt and Casey looked well past his prime. Actually I have been waiting for you to weigh in on to what degree Phil's calf was an issue, thinking you would likely know.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 17, 2016 15:22:30 GMT -5
Well, the beach got Taylor Crabb because of the depth at OH. This would be the year for some young bigs to make a push. Theo Brunner will be a at least a year younger than every player for the US men in 4 years, Avatar will be 36 just like Phil, Nick and Casey were this year. I think a few very rare exceptions has made us think staying good past 35 is way easier than it actually is. In particular if you werent that good at 32, like Ryan Phil seemed hurt and Casey looked well past his prime. Actually I have been waiting for you to weigh in on to what degree Phil's calf was an issue, thinking you would likely know. I haven't any info on Phil's calf. I've actually tried to stay away from the board for these matches. I figured someone would really piss me off with reactions to their loss. I think my statement was vague. I too think these players at 35 could be vulnerable and unseated. And they will need to be unseated if they chose to continue FIVB tournaments. I click through the Manhattan beach tournament and see young players Under 26, some guys listed at 6'6+ and really wonder what their potential is. Like: Michael Brunsting Spencer Sauter Connor Hughes Ian Satterfield Garrett Wilson I'd like to hear GLM's pipeline ranking
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Post by haze on Aug 17, 2016 16:07:08 GMT -5
I don't think the loss from Phil and nick was bad at all. I don't know what happened with Gibb and Patterson but I felt really bad for the way Gibb struggled at points during the last match, he's usually so consistent. Kerri and April's loss was just heartbreaking. I thought they played real well too with the exception of moments of serve receive. Barbara and Agatha played just incredible and you have to give it up to them. Seeing April break down the ways she did afterwards was just heartbreaking.
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Post by downtheline on Aug 17, 2016 16:46:16 GMT -5
Connor Hughes had been in the USAV Beach HP program for years. He regularly beat out guys like Tri, Tony. Stafford, Jeremy, et al to make the #1 traveling teams.
Tough to give up a job that pays you better than 95% of the pro players without breaking a sweat, and more difficult to find a partner that will start practice after 5:00pm, but perhaps there is some passion there to try and earn a brother/sister run for the beach in 2020.
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Post by 5280volleyball on Aug 17, 2016 17:48:52 GMT -5
With Claes/Hughes, and Ross/Carico, the women have a couple good teams. I'd like to see Bourne and Taylor Crabb still, but I agree the men don't have much.
The comments about funding are spot on. Kim Hill helped Pepperdine win a beach title, then went back indoors. Kelsey Robinson was looked at as a beach player, and now plays pro ball in Italy. Until the money goes way up, the top players will stay indoors for the most part.
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Post by haze on Aug 17, 2016 19:29:37 GMT -5
Ranghieri is registered for Long Beach with Caminati, some 23 year old kid. I wonder if him and Carambula are done. Looks like Emily Day is listed with Polluck.
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