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Post by kc8413 on Aug 19, 2016 16:58:56 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong... I think winning a bronze medal is still commendable. I think the major reason why people are having such a negative reaction to this isn't because we need to place blame on the players, but it's because these same players kind of blamed winning silver on previous teammates. You can't expect fans to be happy with anything less than a gold if these players made a video commending "team culture" and essentially putting blame on former team USA players for not building a good team atmosphere. How can you build this quad on its ability to win gold on "being different" from previous quads, but come up short of even accomplishing what the two previous quads did?? In 2012, we were supposed to win Gold, but Brazil got hot at the right moment. In 2008, USA wasn't even expected to medal. I think we were seeded 4th or 5th at the time, but we were able to pull through and win silver with players who didn't play that much together. Logan joined much later and so did Kim Willoughby, but Jenny Lang Ping was able to coach the team to a silver. All this current quad has done was %*$# on previous quads' accomplishments, by saying "we're doing it so differently now. We actually care about each other outside of volleyball." Ok, great that you do... but where's the gold?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 17:01:44 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong... I think winning a bronze medal is still commendable. I think the major reason why people are having such a negative reaction to this isn't because we need to place blame on the players, but it's because these same players kind of blamed winning silver on previous teammates. You can't expect fans to be happy with anything less than a gold if these players made a video commending "team culture" and essentially putting blame on former team USA players for not building a good team atmosphere. How can you build this quad on its ability to win gold on "being different" from previous quads, but come up short of even accomplishing what the two previous quads did?? In 2012, we were supposed to win Gold, but Brazil got hot at the right moment. In 2008, USA wasn't even expected to medal. I think we were seeded 4th or 5th at the time, but we were able to pull through and win silver with players who didn't play that much together. Logan joined much later and so did Kim Willoughby, but Jenny Lang Ping was able to coach the team to a silver. All this current quad has done was %*$# on previous quads' accomplishments, by saying "we're doing it so differently now. We actually care about each other outside of volleyball." Ok, great that you do... but where's the gold? 2008 and 2012 was a much stronger field too, this one was weaksauce in comparison. |
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Post by VBCOACH on Aug 19, 2016 17:04:38 GMT -5
I find it incredibly sexist that world class female athletes aren't expected to be able to keep off-the-court stuff off the court the way men are. And it's also a self-perpetuating ideal that only reinforces the double standard. It's not sexist. It's human nature. The top women coach's are on board with the team chemistry thing. |
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Post by VBCOACH on Aug 19, 2016 17:06:37 GMT -5
I've been to one of his practices. You got any evidence of Russ "ranting and raving?" Was I the one who said "ranting and raving?" I too have been to multiple practices. Russ does yell and he certainly lets players know when he's disappointed, and it's not quietly. The OP was referring to Karch's on court coaching. Has Russ EVER yelled at his players during a match? |
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Post by Northern lights on Aug 19, 2016 21:47:48 GMT -5
Wow this is crazy, I said it before the US lost by 2 in a tie breaker, in the Olympic semi-finals, after their concenus best player went down.
Who on this board is so great, that they think they can win an Olympic Semi-final without their go to player? The team is conditioned to Foluke's prescence and influence on the game. They almost overcame her loss. Karch actually did a good job of keepin it even, not to high, not to low.
NOBODY wins without their consenus best player, nobody. Does Italy win without Zaytsev today? If Zaytsev goes down and they lose by two in a tie-breaker is the Italian Coach an idiot?
Who honestly believes the US womens team loses that match if Foluke plays the whole thing? There is no back up for Foluke Akinradewo. However in 4 years their will be two of them, in Washington and Alhassan. Not to mention Carlini, Hancock and Payne. US volleyball is in great shape. I wish Canada had your problems when it comes to Volleyball.
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Post by internationalball on Aug 19, 2016 21:50:21 GMT -5
They're the #1 team in the world. No excuses for that. I mean I heard so many excuses after excuses, but the simple fact is....you are the #1 team in the world. Foluke and Larson are the only players that I like on this squad.
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Post by kokyu on Aug 19, 2016 22:04:24 GMT -5
OLO @ your middle being a team's "go-to"...
Even Bruno Lucas who have the widest range of any combo in the world isn't Brazil's "go-to."
Unsure if hard or soft trolling going on.
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Post by kokyu on Aug 19, 2016 22:08:11 GMT -5
And Washington doesn't belong on a competing roster, she's too slow.
Alhassan should be but shoulds are irrelevant.
USA NT is stillborn.
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Post by audiovol on Aug 19, 2016 22:16:15 GMT -5
And it's not 2 freaking points. They almost lost the first set until Foluke saved them. Then we lost 2nd, 3rd sets with her out. Then late substitutions happened, won 4th. 5th we were up 7-10 and squandered it. How is that 2 points? Did you even watch? I'm not a hue math guy, but I think losing 13-15 in the fifth is two points. You guys are all nuts, and it's embarrassing that the major online presence for USA volleyball fans react like this to a two point loss. Actually a 2 point loss isn't as close as you think. You would need a 4-0 swing to overcome that deficit and win. |
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Post by kc8413 on Aug 19, 2016 22:53:21 GMT -5
Wow this is crazy, I said it before the US lost by 2 in a tie breaker, in the Olympic semi-finals, after their concenus best player went down. Who on this board is so great, that they think they can win an Olympic Semi-final without their go to player? The team is conditioned to Foluke's prescence and influence on the game. They almost overcame her loss. Karch actually did a good job of keepin it even, not to high, not to low. NOBODY wins without their consenus best player, nobody. Does Italy win without Zaytsev today? If Zaytsev goes down and they lose by two in a tie-breaker is the Italian Coach an idiot? Who honestly believes the US womens team loses that match if Foluke plays the whole thing? There is no back up for Foluke Akinradewo. However in 4 years their will be two of them, in Washington and Alhassan. Not to mention Carlini, Hancock and Payne. US volleyball is in great shape. I wish Canada had your problems when it comes to Volleyball. The fact that our best player is a middle blocker who is on court just half the time is why we lost. We all know the heavy load should be carried by the opposite hitter. |
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Post by mplssetter on Aug 19, 2016 23:12:08 GMT -5
I'm not a hue math guy, but I think losing 13-15 in the fifth is two points. You guys are all nuts, and it's embarrassing that the major online presence for USA volleyball fans react like this to a two point loss. Actually a 2 point loss isn't as close as you think. You would need a 4-0 swing to overcome that deficit and win. If two rallies that Serbia won had went the USA's way, they win by 2. |
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Post by audiovol on Aug 19, 2016 23:34:30 GMT -5
Actually a 2 point loss isn't as close as you think. You would need a 4-0 swing to overcome that deficit and win. If two rallies that Serbia won had went the USA's way, they win by 2. Good point. That's true, when you are tied, 2 points from end of the game. That makes the difference. In the case where a team lost those two rallies and is subsequently trailing in a game by 2 it would of course take a 4 point run to catch up and win. |
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on Aug 20, 2016 6:49:15 GMT -5
I'm not a hue math guy, but I think losing 13-15 in the fifth is two points. You guys are all nuts, and it's embarrassing that the major online presence for USA volleyball fans react like this to a two point loss. Actually a 2 point loss isn't as close as you think. You would need a 4-0 swing to overcome that deficit and win. Stupidest post I've ever seen. Oh ts actually not that close? Just the closest a volleyball match could possibly get? Go to a 5th set and lose by two? Yeah, you're right. That's actually not as close as I think. Moron. By definition it can't get closer than a 2 point loss. |
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Post by maplespear on Aug 20, 2016 6:52:40 GMT -5
Tell me why I am wrong. What country has 320 D1 X 12 PAID players from the time they are teenagers training to perform to choose from? Just like women's basketball. The NCAA plays by a different set of rules then the FIVB so the skill set development is slightly different. That's why it takes longer for NCAA players to adapt to NT play then the younger international players coming up through their respective Club systems. In particular the lack of well rounded OH's.Have you seen Mikaela Foecke ? .. (freshman MVP of nat. champ. match last year.) It's impossible to deliver a OH beast year after year. I'm very curious what she can produce not only for Nebraska in the next 3 years but also NT in 2020. |
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Post by deacondive on Aug 20, 2016 7:04:17 GMT -5
The NCAA plays by a different set of rules then the FIVB so the skill set development is slightly different. That's why it takes longer for NCAA players to adapt to NT play then the younger international players coming up through their respective Club systems. In particular the lack of well rounded OH's.Have you seen Mikaela Foecke ? .. (freshman MVP of nat. champ. match last year.) It's impossible to deliver a OH beast year after year. I'm very curious what she can produce not only for Nebraska in the next 3 years but also NT in 2020. well, she will need to figure out how to pass if she ever wants to play outside for the national team... |
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